Originally posted by TheWalkingFox

Originally posted by mileysubet
You are quite the word smith, but that doesn't mean any of of arguments are valid when critically read.

So you believe the police are, in fact, entitled to assault people with weapons, even in situations where there is no threat of violence?

Since you feel that impeding a walkway (from whom, the other protestors? uh...?) is not "peaceful," do you then feel it is "violent"? 'Cause there's not really a grey area, there is no "maybe-sort-of protest." Further if this is your feeling, what do you have to say about methods of protest such as boycotts, strikes, and sit-ins (such as the famous lunch counter sit-ins of hte 1950's)

Further, is the point of protest not to draw attention?

Please explain.

A protest needs to draw attention, but it should not impede the normal flow of traffic. Its is really that simple.

It is not always about "protest".

If a group of people without a clear definition was to impede the flow of traffic in any through fair they would be arrested, and if they did not move to the warnings of the LEO's then an escalation of force would be used to remove them.

Thisi is what happened here, the people in the video clearly and delibretly chose to disobey local ordinances and where pepper sprayed to be removed.

Originally posted by mileysubet
A protest needs to draw attention, but it should not impede the normal flow of traffic. Its is really that simple.

No, in fact it is not "just that simple." Your desire to not take a detour does not trump the first amendment rights of others. I understand that your personal convenience is the only think that matters in the universe - at least you seem to think so - but that's not the way the world actually works. Dudes are sitting on the path? Why not go around? Problem solved. Or here's a thought - ask them why they're there. Why not join in?

It is not always about "protest".

meaningless statement.

If a group of people without a clear definition was to impede the flow of traffic in any through fair they would be arrested, and if they did not move to the warnings of the LEO's then an escalation of force would be used to remove them.

Oh, sure they'd be arrested. That's not the point we're looking at here. The point is the unwarrnted assault with hte officer's weapon.

Thisi is what happened here, the people in the video clearly and delibretly chose to disobey local ordinances and where pepper sprayed to be removed.

So you believe people should be assaulted with weapons for your personal convenience?

Originally posted by mileysubet

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox

Originally posted by mileysubet
You are quite the word smith, but that doesn't mean any of of arguments are valid when critically read.

So you believe the police are, in fact, entitled to assault people with weapons, even in situations where there is no threat of violence?

Since you feel that impeding a walkway (from whom, the other protestors? uh...?) is not "peaceful," do you then feel it is "violent"? 'Cause there's not really a grey area, there is no "maybe-sort-of protest." Further if this is your feeling, what do you have to say about methods of protest such as boycotts, strikes, and sit-ins (such as the famous lunch counter sit-ins of hte 1950's)

Further, is the point of protest not to draw attention?

Please explain.

A protest needs to draw attention, but it should not impede the normal flow of traffic. Its is really that simple.

It is not always about "protest".

If a group of people without a clear definition was to impede the flow of traffic in any through fair they would be arrested, and if they did not move to the warnings of the LEO's then an escalation of force would be used to remove them.

Thisi is what happened here, the people in the video clearly and delibretly chose to disobey local ordinances and where pepper sprayed to be removed.

Thorough fair, dadgummit!

These students picked the perfect place for their protest. They weren't blocking anything, yet they were in a highly visible area for people to see them. A college is a great place to protest as its rarely got any place where you can fully block traffic, yet there is always visibility.

They weren't hurting anyone, they weren't harassing anyone, they were practicing their absolute right to peaceable assembly.

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Holy F*** Is This The Twilight Zone??

Ive gotta stop watching this stuff I'm going to have a heart attack. We The People are in charge and we let this happen?? Those spectators just stand there with dumbass cell cams filming watching this go down??

I swear I think I'm an alien because I wouldnt be able to control my rage. Something has to be done about this. This is not my USA.

Originally posted by spoor
Stupid people block path, stupid people refuse to move, they are then moved.

Simple really, it was their choice , they should start taking personal responsibility for their own actions!

It's in a freaking park! Jaw dropping stuff. There is no doubt in my mind the US is heading for meltdown. Come to Europe. If protestors limited themselves to open spaces like public parks the police would be on holiday !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! having a freaking party.

The reality of this just passes some people by doesn't it.........

Originally posted by malcr
It's in a freaking park!

No it is not, try actually reading the thread before posting nonsense

Originally posted by mileysubet
They where blocking a through fair, The policeman had every right to remove the people blocking the common path, (as I am sure he and several (verbally) others did multiple times). peaceful protest does not include interfering with the passage rights of the people commuting.

These individuals where attempting to make maryters of them selves. They where doing these actions to get attention, although they where breaking the very laws the supposedly protect.

edit on 19-11-2011 by mileysubet because: (no reason given)

They weren't blocking anything you can see by the panning around of the camera there were no buildings around so the cops had no right to do this or arrest anyone. What was their crime sitting on the sidewalk? If they did this in a public park would the cops be allowed to do this because they were blocking somebody's way to the swing set? Don't forget these kids are paying customers of the college and they have the right to sit on property they rent if they want to. The cops knew they screwed up by the way they ganged together at the end and ran. It won't be long before these protesters start fighting back then it will get bloody.

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by mileysubet
They where blocking a through fair, The policeman had every right to remove the people blocking the common path, (as I am sure he and several (verbally) others did multiple times). peaceful protest does not include interfering with the passage rights of the people commuting.

These individuals where attempting to make maryters of them selves. They where doing these actions to get attention, although they where breaking the very laws the supposedly protect.

edit on 19-11-2011 by mileysubet because: (no reason given)

They weren't blocking anything you can see by the panning around of the camera there were no buildings around so the cops had no right to do this or arrest anyone. What was their crime sitting on the sidewalk? If they did this in a public park would the cops be allowed to do this because they were blocking somebody's way to the swing set? Don't forget these kids are paying customers of the college and they have the right to sit on property they rent if they want to. The cops knew they screwed up by the way they ganged together at the end and ran. It won't be long before these protesters start fighting back then it will get bloody.

edit on 19-11-2011 by buster2010 because: (no reason given)

If that much pepper spray was let out no one would be able to stand there. It blows around, stops your breathing. Even the crap you buy in the store has more Oleoresin Capsicum than that must have had.