U.S. Supreme Court Has Ruled on eligibility with proof!! obama cant run, page 2
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reply posted on 18-11-2011 @ 10:19 AM by Dogdish
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic





I don't think anyone here is going to find the smoking gun on this issue as it doesn't exist... but birthers will continue to grasp at straws, which is their prerogative.


That's all we've got! I hate to 'LOL' at that, but that seems to be the best alternative!



reply posted on 18-11-2011 @ 10:41 AM by N3k9Ni
reply to post by tkwasny



Give me your hand and I'll guide you through this.

The OP's argument is:
"“Natural Born Citizen” was defined as children born of two U.S. citizens – regardless of the location of the birth."

Because:
"The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens."

According to the information I posted:
"Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:""

And:
"Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year."

Therefore:
The argument that one is only a "Natural Born Citizen" if both parents are citizens is an invalid argument.

I'm sure your local colleges offer remedial reading comprehension classes. You might look into that.


edit on 18-11-2011 by N3k9Ni because: edited for clarity



reply posted on 18-11-2011 @ 11:26 AM by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by N3k9Ni



What some people don't know is that there are only 2 kinds of US citizens. Those born that way and those naturalized. Those are the only options. A citizen AT BIRTH is a natural-born citizen. The only other way to be a citizen is to be naturalized through a process. There is no third option. Obama was born a US citizen and therefore is a NBC.

I'm always curious about the group that claims Obama was born here, and is a citizen, but his father's citizenship makes Obama NOT natural-born... What kind of citizen is he, if not natural born or naturalized?

I know I'm preaching to the choir here.

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reply posted on 18-11-2011 @ 05:56 PM by lbndhr
reply to post by TheAmused



that is a questionany ask and always get ignored, weird that Obama can manipulate the laws so many new questions, what does he know that keeps him in power? Either this is a.blackmail kinda scandal or he is anti Christ or what?


reply posted on 18-11-2011 @ 06:08 PM by tkwasny
Originally posted by N3k9Ni
reply to
post by tkwasny



Give me your hand and I'll guide you through this.

The OP's argument is:
"“Natural Born Citizen” was defined as children born of two U.S. citizens – regardless of the location of the birth."

Because:
"The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens."

According to the information I posted:
"Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:""

And:
"Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year."

Therefore:
The argument that one is only a "Natural Born Citizen" if both parents are citizens is an invalid argument.

I'm sure your local colleges offer remedial reading comprehension classes. You might look into that.


edit on 18-11-2011 by N3k9Ni because: edited for clarity


You just can't be any more wrong than this. Take off your blinders for a minute and pay attention.

The Constitution was constructed from the foundation document called Law Of Nations by Vattel. Try some history classes.

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www.constitution.org...


Book 1 Chapter XIX

§ 212. Citizens and natives.

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.


reply posted on 18-11-2011 @ 06:49 PM by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by tkwasny



Vattel's personal definition of NBC is irrelevant. If the founding fathers shared this important distinction, it's likely they would have been sure to include it in the Constitution, knowing how they studied Vattel's writings. Instead, they illustrated 2 classes of US citizens. Those being citizens at birth and citizens by way of a naturalization process.

If you think Obama is not a NBC, what kind of citizen is he?

Oh, and just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they don't know about Vattel.
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reply posted on 19-11-2011 @ 07:07 PM by The Sword
Originally posted by The Sword

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Oh, I see how it is here. Do you realize that you're handicapping this whole discussion by removing posts for some bull# reason?
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