A moment for the innocent that are about to die.

I cant stand threads like this, or appeals like this, to care about the poor person here or poor person there. Truth is if the people over in Iraq were like us, and we were like them, they would give no more of a f*ck about us then we do about them. Heres an idea poor innocent people of Iraq; How about we dont worship a god who tells us to blow ourselves up and kill unbelievers. Just because someone is vulnerable, doesnt mean they are innocent, if they were behind the nuke, they would take out everybody else who wasnt like them. Dont be so naive OP. Its either us or them.

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it's the truth, and that's what it comes down to.......we need to make peace here on earth

Originally posted by nightbringr

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Are you being sarcastic? Spiritualism is communication with higher dimensional beings called aliens.

Are you deluded?

I could try and explain to you how incredibly vast our universe is, and how it is beyond the proverbial needle in a haystack for an alien culture to even find us, but this is not the subject at hand. For what its worth, while i certainly believe it is likely for aliens to be out there, it is rediculous to insist they are visiting or guiding us. And you claim to KNOW they are? Excuse me while i lol. And why do you claim they are extra-dimensional? String theorist state time after time, even if there are 10 physical dimensions in addition to the 1 time dimension, there is no reason to believe we as physical beings can ever interact with them. They are most likely tiny, rolled up dimensions. Why on earth do you assume aliens (if there even are any), are extra-dimensional? Your taking a conversation about war and turning it into your little alien agenda speech.

Your belief in aliens requires the same faith and fervor as anyone who believes in christianity, allah, or any other faith. You simply believe in a new age faith, which is as preposperous as any other.

If aliens are not visiting or guiding us, then what is the basis for spiritualism and what is the supposed basis of religion? Do you really not see how ridiculous your arguement is? It makes no sense. And what about all the hollywood movies and video games that depict alien interaction and alien wars??? All just imagination

Stop and think sir before you rush to call others delluded. The irony in your post is so extreme that I think you are a lousy actor. You have no chance of making a living in hollywood even in a filler role of the cheesiest movie you can imagine.

No, socialism = laziness and a "mommy told me im special" mentality. It makes people think we should all be equal, and as such, if they sit around doing nothing, they should still be paid as much as the hardest working people in society.

I state again, socialism = the death of motivation.

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Motivation can come in many forms and does not need the addiction to currency to achieve that. Self-survival, group survival, emotional fullfillnes of the ego, accomplishment, etc. Apparently you are too brainwashed and too politically illiterate to have an intelligent discussion with.

Thank you for that, I couldn't have said it better. S&F

This could be our future

How many people is "we". and why aren't WE in the streets, stopping this madness. why are we all still working, and paying bills and buying into the system?, WE know it's broken, but are afraid of the fix. Is the need of the few greater than the need of the many? or the one?

Personal sacrifice is part of personal responsibility and personal rights demand both.

we all talk about the Constitution, but forget the bill of rights, "life" is the first right of the bill.

Why not a moment of peaceful triumph.

Shame them all out of office

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Really dude? How can you sit there and write those words and not feel like a total traitor to human kind? I don't get how one can assume such a position, How does it feel to support your own slavery. Yea there are a lot of other cultures that are backwards but so are we. The difference between US and them, is we think we are free and they know they are not.

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You are absolutely right! How can people not see this, when presented with information that reveals the ultimate outcome?.. star for you

Nice! Thank you!

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
If aliens are not visiting or guiding us, then what is the basis for spiritualism and what is the supposed basis of religion? Do you really not see how ridiculous your arguement is? It makes no sense. And what about all the hollywood movies and video games that depict alien interaction and alien wars??? All just imagination

Many movies have been made about Christianity, and you dont believe in it. You would say that is all imagination. Whats the difference? Again, your feverent belief in aliens as our dieties is as religious as any other faith. You have no proof, yet your so sure of yourself. Do you know what that is called? Faith. Something you probably mock christians and others for. Do you see how rediculous YOUR arguement is? To some, the basis of spiritualism comes from the bible or the koran. Yours apparently comes from hollywood movies!

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Motivation can come in many forms and does not need the addiction to currency to achieve that. Self-survival, group survival, emotional fullfillnes of the ego, accomplishment, etc.

I live in a capitalism society and am not addicted to currency. It is those who buy into the "i have to have it all!" mindset who i pity. All we need in life is our friends and family, a roof over our heads and full tummies. All these can be accomplished though capitalism. Your precious socialism is the reason countries like Greece, Italy, Ireland and more are in trouble. They spend well beyond their means, running deficit after deficit to pay for their socialism.

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Soon it will be us the citizens that will have to sit at home and prepare for the worst and to do whatever it takes to protect our families and homes. And all for what?

GREAT post, OP. After reading the first two pages I felt compelled to post so I hoped I'm not repeating anything but your post reminds me of the song by Sting, "The Russians." It's about the cold war and and all the threats that were tossed about by both sides and how the seemingly coming nuclear holocaust would not happen "if the Russians loved their children too." It's a good song and just as relevant today as the day he wrote it. Here's an excerpt:



"How can I save my little boy from Oppenheimer's deadly toy
There is no monopoly in common sense
On either side of the political fence
We share the same biology
Regardless of ideology
Believe me when I say to you
I hope the Russians love their children too

There is no historical precedent
To put the words in the mouth of the President
There's no such thing as a winnable war
It's a lie we don't believe anymore
Mr. Reagan says we will protect you
I don't subscribe to this point of view
Believe me when I say to you
I hope the Russians love their children too"

link www.azlyrics.com...

No one is innocent in war... If you are where the bombs fall, you are someone's enemy, if you are mistakenly targeted you were collateral damage (acceptable to both sides in conflict)

You are an enemy to your nation's enemies whether you like it or not.

For those about to die...

I salute you.

We do not deserve a better world than that which we have created.
We either have to change our inner world and then outter world or Nuclear War.
If we cannot become better then I say - let the Earth burn to the ground.
Because out of ashes flowers bloom.

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I think I see where you are coming from. But a automated war would not reduce casualties in my opinion. I think it could actually increase them. Programming equals GIGO.

War is about resources, pure and simple. People use religion, politics, race etc, to justify it. But the end result is the same.

I will admit that there is a selfish part of me that does not war. I have recently retired from the military and probably would be one of the first called out of said retirement. I'm getting old, I've got a broken body, and I am am sick of war.

I would still answer the call though, if only to try to keep Soldiers and people alive. It may be a thing only a vet can understand....I don't know.

Originally posted by nightbringr

Many movies have been made about Christianity, and you dont believe in it. You would say that is all imagination. Whats the difference? Again, your feverent belief in aliens as our dieties is as religious as any other faith. You have no proof, yet your so sure of yourself. Do you know what that is called? Faith. Something you probably mock christians and others for. Do you see how rediculous YOUR arguement is? To some, the basis of spiritualism comes from the bible or the koran. Yours apparently comes from hollywood movies!

I believe all holly books have a basis in reality. Huge problems start to arise in distinguishing facts from fiction.

What parts of the bible are true, what are false, what is symbolic, what is literal, what are acceptable ways of worship, what are demons/angels/god/satan, etc.

In other words the PTB if they are as evil as we think, had a huge incentive to corrupt these holly books and decentralise the theme to the point where it all becomes a bunch of meaningless superstition.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

I live in a capitalism society and am not addicted to currency. It is those who buy into the "i have to have it all!" mindset who i pity. All we need in life is our friends and family, a roof over our heads and full tummies. All these can be accomplished though capitalism. Your precious socialism is the reason countries like Greece, Italy, Ireland and more are in trouble. They spend well beyond their means, running deficit after deficit to pay for their socialism.

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If the central bank was public rather than private, then the government could issue all the currency it needed without necessarily creating inflation. The prime rate would be collected by the government and along with the required tariffs would be able to sustain itself wihout the need for direct taxation. At the very least taxes would go waaayyy down!

European socialism, just like american capitalism and soviet communism, hinged around a private supply of money. I don't expect you to know this, hence I said you were not suited in discussing political ideology with me.

BTW research the greenbacks issued debt-free during the civil war and read about JFK's EO to fold the FED! Both were honorable and brave to the core, and BOTH died as forgotten heros...........

I feel sorry for those mothers over there. They have no other options.

It is my understanding though, that they have a different set of morals over there. It is because of their religious morals that they go to war with those who do not believe the same as they do. They oppress their woman and refuse to accept other ways of life. That equals the life they lead now.

We are all delt different cards. Its how we choose to play them that says who we are and what kind of life we will have.

If you watch the film Threads, nuclear war started in the Middle East and it was over Iran. Makes your toes curl. I very much hope nuclear war does not happen, if it does and there are surviours i do hope all the world leaders involved are put on trial for genoicide, US, British, Russian, Chinese, Israel, French, and any other world leader that uses them et al. Weapons of mass destruction should be destroyed the world over. And then we would not be in an economic meltdown as all the weapons would be turned into plowshares.

Thanks for the thought provoking thread. I'm glad to see it make the front page.
My children and I had a very long detailed discussion several months ago on what to do if we were nuked, and we were at work, school etc. They know that if there is time to get home (we live in a small town), that they are to get home a.s.a.p.
If not, they are to stay where they are and I will be there to get them as soon as it is likely safe to be outside for a bit. I also prepared them that if I didn't show for X amount of time in certain situations that I didn't make it and prepared them for what to do. They also know to LEAVE A NOTE saying where they went if they decided they needed to leave and what they decided they needed to do, so they could be found by myself or family later.

Their questions were answered (they started the whole conversation sadly enough) and I think they felt better knowing what they might expect if that situation ever arises, God forbid. I went to my room at bedtime and cried thinking about the "what if I didn't survive and they were left to fend for themselves".

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I wouldn't worry about it. Only a fool would use nukes because youre not just killing your enemies youre killing your own people too. That being said, don't worry about it. Israel isn't the genocidal party here, Anytime they have retaliated they have targetted only combatants so they are not going to use nukes, they just have them as a threat in case any other nations decide to snuff them out they will Samson up and take everyone else with them, the same as any other country that has nukes aimed at someone else who is aiming their nukes at them.

Ofcourse Iran and it's people chanting "death to Israel" and "death to america" are only exacerbating the problem when they should just close their mouths and allow their nuclear facilities to be inspected, ofcourse they refuse because they are hiding something, just like Israel refuses but they don't really have anything to hide because the world knows they already have nuclear weapons and they aren't desperate or poor enough to sell them to terrorist organizations like Iran and North Korea are.

Personally i curse the day that nuclear weapons were ever invented, they are a blight on humanity and they made the world a more dangerous place in my opinion. Theres no honor in dropping a bomb that can vaporise an entire army in 1 second. If you want an honorable fight you need to get down and fight mano a mano and none of that shady sh*t like grabbing human shields or hiding behind a wall and firing RPG's or setting I.E.D.s for people to step on or children because sometimes kids accidentally step on those too.