This Just In, Concerning The Higgs Boson Particle...

...or lack there of.

news.yahoo.com...

Scientists at the gigantic Large Hadron Collider (LHC) particle accelerator at the CERN physics lab in Switzerland have wrapped up — at least for 2011 — the kind of experiments that might have shown a glimpse of the long-sought Higgs boson particle.

The Higgs boson, which has been theorized but never observed, is thought to give all other particles their mass. Physicists have been hoping to see signs of it ever since they began colliding particles at the LHC in 2008. Yet there is still no sign of the Higgs.

"LHC is running fantastically, it's marvelous," said CERN particle physicist Christoph Rembser, who works on LHC's ATLAS experiment. "What is not that fantastic is that we've not yet seen anything new, and no new discoveries have been made."

So, do we think that this mythical beast exists or not?

Personally, I don't believe in it. But then I've been thinking that physicists have been bunching up at the deep end of a blind corridor for some years now. Funny thing about technology. As it advances, it becomes more and more a double edge sword, proving and debunking our most cherished truths in spite of how much of ourselves we've invested into those truths. Imagine supercolliders exposing the fallacy of particle physics. That'd be ironic.

Two words............. String theory!

Second.

How do they imagine it to be possible to perceive or to measure that which gives all things mass? They must assume that that which gives all things mass has mass itself. Once it is observed it has already become something other than what they are hoping to find.

Originally posted by NorEaster


Personally, I don't believe in it. But then I've been thinking that physicists have been bunching up at the deep end of a blind corridor for some years now. Funny thing about technology. As it advances, it becomes more and more a double edge sword, proving and debunking our most cherished truths in spite of how much of ourselves we've invested into those truths. Imagine supercolliders exposing the fallacy of particle physics. That'd be ironic.

edit on 11/3/2011 by NorEaster because: (no reason given)

science is as much about disproving as it is about proving so either way its worth it. you move on from there and get closer and closer to the truth.

reply to post by NorEaster


The Higgs boson is like finding the Point ( . ) of point . whats the point

( -1.1 ) = +.0.-

Originally posted by kalunom
How do they imagine it to be possible to perceive or to measure that which gives all things mass? They must assume that that which gives all things mass has mass itself. Once it is observed it has already become something other than what they are hoping to find.

I get the impression that this Higgs boson thingy is a Hail Mary Pass of sorts. No one has even offered much in the way of a plausible aspect of this specific particle that would make it capable of bequeathing mass to all other particles, but that hasn't prevented them from tossing the name around as if they know it exists but it's been purposely hiding from everyone.

I really do think that technology has advanced to the point where the basis of material physics is going to have to be adjusted to make way for a period of ignorance on the part of the world's traditional thought leadership. Hopefully not too long, but then careers are hanging in the balance, so who knows if anyone will even admit to having chased the wrong thing up the wrong tree for so long.

Maye they'll all be hoping that the Mayans knew what the hell they were talking about, and the world will end next year?

Originally posted by homeskillet

Originally posted by NorEaster


Personally, I don't believe in it. But then I've been thinking that physicists have been bunching up at the deep end of a blind corridor for some years now. Funny thing about technology. As it advances, it becomes more and more a double edge sword, proving and debunking our most cherished truths in spite of how much of ourselves we've invested into those truths. Imagine supercolliders exposing the fallacy of particle physics. That'd be ironic.

edit on 11/3/2011 by NorEaster because: (no reason given)

science is as much about disproving as it is about proving so either way its worth it. you move on from there and get closer and closer to the truth.

It's tougher now since YouTube and popular "science" book deals. Some of those guys will be feasting on crow for years.

Originally posted by NorEaster
...or lack there of.

news.yahoo.com...

Scientists at the gigantic Large Hadron Collider (LHC) particle accelerator at the CERN physics lab in Switzerland have wrapped up — at least for 2011 — the kind of experiments that might have shown a glimpse of the long-sought Higgs boson particle.

The Higgs boson, which has been theorized but never observed, is thought to give all other particles their mass. Physicists have been hoping to see signs of it ever since they began colliding particles at the LHC in 2008. Yet there is still no sign of the Higgs.

"LHC is running fantastically, it's marvelous," said CERN particle physicist Christoph Rembser, who works on LHC's ATLAS experiment. "What is not that fantastic is that we've not yet seen anything new, and no new discoveries have been made."

So, do we think that this mythical beast exists or not?

Personally, I don't believe in it. But then I've been thinking that physicists have been bunching up at the deep end of a blind corridor for some years now. Funny thing about technology. As it advances, it becomes more and more a double edge sword, proving and debunking our most cherished truths in spite of how much of ourselves we've invested into those truths. Imagine supercolliders exposing the fallacy of particle physics. That'd be ironic.

So let me get this right, they have kNot seen anything new yet?

articles.latimes.com...

Faster than light? CERN findings bewilder scientists

Physicists at the lab near Geneva say they've observed subatomic particles moving faster than the speed of light. If confirmed, it would defy Einstein — and upend our understanding of physics.

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Ribbit

Ps: Wuz your news source Fox News?

Anybody else find it strange that supposed true 'scientists' are believing in more and more 'theoretical' matter and objects as time goes by? And yet those who are supposed true 'scientists' mock those who believe in God or one of his other names? Belief that the Higgs Boson particle, or dark matter, or dark energy exist; or belief in God or Allah or whatever exists? What's the difference?

Originally posted by NorEaster

Originally posted by homeskillet

Originally posted by NorEaster


science is as much about disproving as it is about proving so either way its worth it. you move on from there and get closer and closer to the truth.

It's tougher now since YouTube and popular "science" book deals. Some of those guys will be feasting on crow for years.

eh , not so much as youtube and michio kaku pop science books have no effect on real research. it may effect the everyday peoples opinions or yours but real academic science will continue on.

and hopefully things like youtube and books will inspire more people to actually study real science and get closer to the truth.

edit on 11/3/2011 by homeskillet because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by IblisLucifer
reply to post by NorEaster

 

The Higgs boson is like finding the Point ( . ) of point . whats the point

( -1.1 ) = +.0.-

Nice one, I think that if they can find that illusive particle then they could use it for a weapon ? Would be nice to use the science for the good of mankind but with this amount of cash behind the project you can just tell its for military purposes.

Originally posted by mazzroth

Originally posted by IblisLucifer
reply to post by NorEaster

 

The Higgs boson is like finding the Point ( . ) of point . whats the point

( -1.1 ) = +.0.-

Nice one, I think that if they can find that illusive particle then they could use it for a weapon ? Would be nice to use the science for the good of mankind but with this amount of cash behind the project you can just tell its for military purposes.

For the record, the use of ( -1.1+ ) = +.0.- is purely for computer use. It signifies where the Zero came from, either negative going to positive or positive going to negative. So it's a statistical use of polarity signs but other than that, Zero has kNOw polarity.

Zero = Neutral

Stop confusing the sheeple with your misplaced rhetoric!

Ribbit

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Physicists at the lab near Geneva say they've observed subatomic particles moving faster than the speed of light. If confirmed, it would defy Einstein — and upend our understanding of physics.

Thread Failure!

Ribbit

Ps: Wuz your news source Fox News?

Key words there, "if confirmed"

Originally posted by kalunom

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Physicists at the lab near Geneva say they've observed subatomic particles moving faster than the speed of light. If confirmed, it would defy Einstein — and upend our understanding of physics.

Thread Failure!

Ribbit

Ps: Wuz your news source Fox News?

Key words there, "if confirmed"

We kNeed to dew an experiment with a receptor on Mars and shoot a light source at it, when the Earth is approaching it, to see how long it takes and the redshift, if any.

Ribbit

Seems they can not find matter, the solid building block the 'material world' is made of.
The particle or particular can only be separated by what 'thinks' it is separate.
When looked for, the edge, the boundary, the separation can not be found, there is no particular, it is one.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Seems they can not find matter, the solid building block the 'material world' is made of.
The particle or particular can only be separated by what 'thinks' it is separate.
When looked for, the edge, the boundary, the separation can not be found, there is no particular, it is one.

edit on 3-11-2011 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

The particle was originally Light, which has mass, and they will figure it out. Next year is the Year of Disclosure/Discovery!

Enjoy your pipe dreams while you can.

Ribbit

reply to post by Helious


A Freyed Knot...................

reply to post by Helious


I meant String Theory........A Freyed Knot..............

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Seems they can not find matter, the solid building block the 'material world' is made of.
The particle or particular can only be separated by what 'thinks' it is separate.
When looked for, the edge, the boundary, the separation can not be found, there is no particular, it is one.

edit on 3-11-2011 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

The particle was originally Light, which has mass, and they will figure it out. Next year is the Year of Disclosure/Discovery!

Enjoy your pipe dreams while you can.

Ribbit

We'll all see, friend.
It might be appropriate to adopt a more "humble" stance? You know, in case you're blatantly wrong?
Jes' sayin'...

at some point they will just have to admit that there is no-THING.

there is only interactions and relationships between "things".