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Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by J-in-TX
I'm positive that what you say is true. There have always been atheists. But you never hear of any Atheistic
regimes, governments, monarchies, societies or cultures even. Until around two hundred years ago. Or so.
The concept of course is as old as man really. But acceptance as a world view ? Sketshy, at best after two hundred to two hundred and fifty years. Wouldn't you say?
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by J-in-TX
I'm positive that what you say is true. There have always been atheists. But you never hear of any Atheistic
regimes, governments, monarchies, societies or cultures even. Until around two hundred years ago. Or so.
The concept of course is as old as man really. But acceptance as a world view ? Sketshy, at best after two hundred to two hundred and fifty years. Wouldn't you say?
And Regimes. I get the impression you don't personally care that Stalin, Pol Pot, and the other communists did what they did irrespective of their lack of believe in a god. They didn't go "I don't find the existence of deities plausible, so I'm gonna do a lot of bad stuff", no one ever does that. Everything they did, was based of reasons they would have held even if they were of any religion.
it explains why atheism is on the rise.
Originally posted by Maslo
Communists did kill some people specificaly in the name of atheism (or anti-theism?), along with power and political influence. Its not a lot when compared to victims of religions, but it did happen.
My father-side family was harrassed by communists because some of them did go to church.edit on 6/11/11 by Maslo because: (no reason given)edit on 6/11/11 by Maslo because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by xxsomexpersonxx and Mr.XYZ
Good responses
And Regimes. I get the impression you don't personally care that Stalin, Pol Pot, and the other communists did what they did irrespective of their lack of believe in a god. They didn't go "I don't find the existence of deities plausible, so I'm gonna do a lot of bad stuff", no one ever does that. Everything they did, was based of reasons they would have held even if they were of any religion.
Of course I agree. The record will show we are of the sqme mind here. It is truely the heart of man that must change before we can rid ourselves of such absurd atrocities as genocide. Secular, religious or just plain fanatical. None are without blood on their hands.
Mr.X
it explains why atheism is on the rise.
As well as a rising population.edit on 6-11-2011 by randyvs because: (no reason given)
I'm having a bit of a problem with this; you identify that non-belief does not establish any justification for violence, but you ignore that by saying "(atheism is) without blood on (its) hands", implying that it does establish justification for violence.
Everyone is born an atheist. An atheist is someone who does not believe in a god; babies are born and they have no concept of what a god is, which means they don't believe in it. Therefore they are atheists and therefore atheism is not a recent conspiracy
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by Neverseenit
I'm having a bit of a problem with this; you identify that non-belief does not establish any justification for violence, but you ignore that by saying "(atheism is) without blood on (its) hands", implying that it does establish justification for violence.
Am I reading this correctly ? Atheism is without blood on it's hands ? Is that what I said ? Where did you read that ?
Try again.
All regimes, governments, societys, cultures, right down to civilazations. However religious,secular or just plain
fanatical, are not without blood on their hands. In other words pointing our fingers in judgement, or the minor
disagreements of what ever numbers are involved ? Is a misidentification or misdiagnosis of the actual problem.
It's very much like treating someone for a bad cough, when they have lung cancer.
Nothing stands in the way of men who decide to kill one another.
Christ while he was on this earth tryed to lead us away from that.
Hope that clears things up for ya ?edit on 8-11-2011 by randyvs because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by Neverseenit
Everyone is born an atheist. An atheist is someone who does not believe in a god; babies are born and they have no concept of what a god is, which means they don't believe in it. Therefore they are atheists and therefore atheism is not a recent conspiracy
Very weak Griff, since babies are born without knowledge of anything.
How can you even do that ? Bring the purity of little babies in to this ? The very innocense of the womb that mankind was really meant to be ? The very seed of life ? Have you no shame ? No compassion ? I ask you....
Where is your decency ? Your humanity ? :
Woe.
Sorry, I got carried away.edit on 8-11-2011 by randyvs because: (no reason given)
I'm going to ask this once, and I mean no offense, but it has to be asked:
Are you a Troll, or Trolling? You're baiting hooks with false claims, and you seem unwilling to see any point anyone makes to the contrary. Either you're looking for a reaction(Trolling), or you're just trying to reassure your beliefs to yourself by acting like you're winning a weird argument.
I mean, what kind of response is that? You completely avoided addressing the point, but instead tried to reprimand him as if stating facts about things somehow harmed babies.
His point is not that no one is guilty of murder/genocide/other atrocities. You(seemingly intentionally) missed the entire point. He said that no one has ever used a lack of belief in deities as motivation or justification for any evil deeds. In other words, that lack of belief didn't cause anything bad to happen. It's just that some of the horrible people had beliefs, and some lacked beliefs, but no one used not believing in something to rationalize doing evil acts.
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by MrXYZ
Hey partner, I have never made one post at GLP ok ? FYI on that. With that in connection, i think if anyone should get to accuse of such crap as that. It damn well ought to be me.
I want my money!!! Please, given that you're kinda on their side...can you tell me where I can cash out? Do I get rollover minutes