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posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 01:21 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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In short I'm able to id truth on just observation alone and have a unique and uncanny way to connect things using reality, logic and common sense and am not afraid to let someone in a position of power know of what I see. Hence why most of what I speak of is not ramlbing or rabble but come and draw from my experience.



Wow...really? You are able to do all of this just because someone made a diecast officer toy car in your name?... Phew... I AM IN... LET'S FOLLOW THE DUDE WITH THE TOY CAR!!!...


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posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 01:58 AM
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Blame banks, The SCUM and Wall street for our current mess.

How many more people are going to blame the puppet and not go after the root of the problem?



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 02:12 AM
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The Healthcare reform law was needed as too may are one debilitating illness away from financial ruin, Without it in force if you were diagnosed with a previously undiscovered ailment today the insurance company could drop you and there'd be nothing you could do about.

You are holding to ideaologies so much that it's clouding not only your judgement but you entire common sense. Being against protections from entities who cannot be trusted is just dead wrong. If you have coverage then you have THE CHOICE to opt out. The only thing this mandates is that all Americans are to have insurance of some form.

What we need is the laws we already have on the books enforced, it was the lack of enforcement of regulation and the law that allowed this mess to occur. Remember, what is being seen today wasn't done overnight but systematically over time.

To attack this movement makes you a pawn and foot soldier of the banks because that is who owns and controls the GOP and via avenues like Fox News issues the daily marching orders. It is sickening and Anti American!

I am sorry and care not if you like it or not everyone in the GOP is all for privatization of every aspect of our Gov't and want to eventually privatize the military, privatize social security, privatize the postal office, maintain private control over our nations money. The Treasury and The Federal Reserve shall not be privatized, USPS will not be privatized, The Military will not be privatized. Imagine if a private company owned and ran The TSA? Why stop at the Federal level, why not privatize police departments, fire departments? Never going to happen!

America as is stands is "Of The Billionaires, By The Corporations and For The Banks" restore and return that to "Of The People, By The People & For The People" is the only thing that matters and that is that.



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 02:15 AM
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A billionaire owns and controls the rhetoric of The TP and now are the Federal Reserve, Wall Street and the big banks lapdog. They say jump you answer with "How high?". When they hit you you reply with "Thank you Sir may I please have another?".

Any person who aligns themselves with a hateful group is a racist as when the racial slurs were being tossed around in 09 - 10 and there was not one peep from any of the chapters, none of the elected people have come out against it. Your group is a bunch of racists. You are judged by the company you keep.



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 02:19 AM
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Any person who aligns themselves with a hateful group is a racist as when the racial slurs were being tossed around in 09 - 10 and there was not one peep from any of the chapters, none of the elected people have come out against it. Your group is a bunch of racists. You are judged by the company you keep.


You mean the racist people they ousted once it came out they were racist?

P.s. I hope you remember your own words.......

Wasnt it the KKK and Communist Parties that are aligning themselves with OWS?

You arent near as smart as you make yourself out to be.........

A wise man speaks because he has something to say, a fool speaks because he has to say something



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 02:40 AM
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1. Try again! Since you have never been to one or even bother to go to one to see it for yourself do not speak about this movement again as you are so backwards in your thinking that it's a real shame.

2. Do you not realize how the media and these plant groups work? They send these people to disrupt things and are only there for the media cameras, stay long enough to get on camera then they go back home.

NYPD was just caught busing homeless drug addicts in to disrupt the movement :
www.abovetopsecret.com...

3. The truth about the bailouts is when the public gave these firms money the taxpayer became a shareholder hence why they paid it off so fast. We want Gov't with the backbone, spine to be the big bad entity that keeps these firms up at night living in fear of the people. Smaller gov't is a joke and has never worked.

4. Based upon what I learned formulated that opinion. I am the "proverbial thorn in their side" and am damn proud of that. I cannot be bought, leveraged.

5. Either stand with the doc or stand with the banks, there is no third option.

6. The only reason why any like movement has ended up bad is because the majority allows a minority fringe to take it over and to corrupt it from within. That is why all of these fail. What distinguishes this movement from others is that we will not accept money from any conglomerate or multinational.

So what about the TP when you got people like WI Gov. Walker stripping people of collective bargaining rights, caught in Michigan trying to get the dictatorial authourity to remove any elected official that they do not agree with.
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posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 02:43 AM
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No one was forced out and all of the racist rhetoric was fully embraced. Not one person came out slamming the racism and remained silent. You see how remaining silent got the group equated with racism!

It is true the Communist and Socialist parties are trying to align themselves with this movement but have thus far been met with resistance. We want no part of them. The KKK won't dare to show up in their garb.

Tea Party people caught on tape attacking someone with Parkinson's :
www.youtube.com...

No one was slamming or condemning this action.
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posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 02:50 AM
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LoL

Actually yes they were ousted, almost IMMEDIATELY

And the video? I dont see them harassing anyone i see them advocating their viewpoint just like that man is....

shall I link the news stories about the rapes and theft and destruction of private property being portrayed by the OWS movement? Oh wait, Im sure youre already aware of that and probably have another excuse up your sleeve....

But I wont catch you admitting that.......

Now on to the KKK thing, so because they dont show up in garb then that makes it ok huh?

Communist met with resistance hmm??

What was tha tyou said..........you are who you align yourself with huh? Then why are these groups , and more like them chosing to align with this movement hmmm?

Go sell crazy someplace else, we are all stocked up here..............

I love how you tell people they dont think for themselves because they dont join OWS........as you all , baaaaaah baaaah bahhhh your way to wallstreet......
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posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 03:02 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

The Healthcare reform law was needed as too may are one debilitating illness away from financial ruin, Without it in force if you were diagnosed with a previously undiscovered ailment today the insurance company could drop you and there'd be nothing you could do about.


They can't drop me at all if I refuse to buy into their ponzi scheme to begin with.



You are holding to ideaologies so much that it's clouding not only your judgement but you entire common sense.


My common sense tells me that if someone else is forcing decision on me, then I am not making my own decisions. How is that "clouded"?



Being against protections from entities who cannot be trusted is just dead wrong.


I'm not "against protection" from them, I'm saying your and Obama's solution is no protection at all. It throws us directly into the lion's mouth by forcing us to do business with them. I have another solution which has worked for me so far. I'm not going to be participating in your and Obama's "solution". I'll not be forced to do business with anyone I don't want to do business with, legislative fiat or not.



If you have coverage then you have THE CHOICE to opt out. The only thing this mandates is that all Americans are to have insurance of some form.


It mandates that we each must do business with a particular sort of corporation, to wit an insurance company. Refresh my memory - didn't a few insurance companies have a big hand in the recent economic crash? AIG come to mind? Now the "solution" is to give them a windfall bonanza of profit by forcing people to give them money on an individual as well as governmental level?

I'm just not seeing the punishment factor there for the corporations you claim to so hate, but I can see a BIG punishment factor against the People you claim to so support.



What we need is the laws we already have on the books enforced, it was the lack of enforcement of regulation and the law that allowed this mess to occur. Remember, what is being seen today wasn't done overnight but systematically over time.


Yeah, that and a guaranteed corporate income at the People's expense, and everything will be rosy, right? Here's a wild idea - starve the bastards out and let them collapse! That won't cost us much of anything.



To attack this movement makes you a pawn and foot soldier of the banks because that is who owns and controls the GOP and via avenues like Fox News issues the daily marching orders. It is sickening and Anti American!


Yeah, sure. I'm hip to the whole "you're either with us or you're against us" line of thought. I give less than a damn about the GOP, the DNC, Fox News, or the banks. You've got a lot of goddamned nerve calling ME "unamerican" While at the same time trying to steer America into a socialist/fascist ultimately COLLECTIVIST goal. I note well that the same banks and corprations you claim to so hate have been the biggest beneficiaries of this latest round of socialist redistribution. Now we need MORE of that?

And I'M "unamerican"?



I am sorry and care not if you like it or not everyone in the GOP is all for privatization of every aspect of our Gov't and want to eventually privatize the military, privatize social security, privatize the postal office, maintain private control over our nations money. The Treasury and The Federal Reserve shall not be privatized, USPS will not be privatized, The Military will not be privatized. Imagine if a private company owned and ran The TSA? Why stop at the Federal level, why not privatize police departments, fire departments? Never going to happen!


Don't look now - the Federal Reserve is and has always been privatized, right from it's inception. Ditto the Postal Service. Look it up. The TSA and indeed ALL of Homeland Security should be abolished, as should the federal Reserve. Again, I give less than a damn about the GOP, or what they want.



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 03:04 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

Any person who aligns themselves with a hateful group is a racist as when the racial slurs were being tossed around in 09 - 10 and there was not one peep from any of the chapters, none of the elected people have come out against it. Your group is a bunch of racists. You are judged by the company you keep.


Careful with that rhetoric.

That sword cuts both ways, and there may be a mirror somewhere near you.



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 03:12 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

It is true the Communist and Socialist parties are trying to align themselves with this movement but have thus far been met with resistance. We want no part of them. The KKK won't dare to show up in their garb.



I'm confident you will have some evidence of this alleged "resistance", and am looking forward to your presentation of the evidence to back up your claim.



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 06:32 AM
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What is it about the following that you do not understand? :

STRONG EMPHASIS UPON THE FOLLOWING AND CANNOT BE EXPRESSED ENOUGH :
Unless it comes from Occupy Together, Occupy Everything, #Occupy Wall Street, NYC General Assembly or any of the countless official "Occupy" family of sites it does not speak for this movement and the movement will not endorse any site outside of our family of sites. Adbusters does not speak for us, Tides does not speak for us, no union speaks for us, The American Socialist Party does not speak for us, The Communist Party does not speak for us neither does any group that has decided to join us under their own free will and volition but even those groups and our partner firms do not speak for us! We speak for ourselves!



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Reagan was a democrat until 1962, when he switched parties at age 51.

You were saying something about "preposterous"?


It is pretty evident he was a closet republican.

You have to be right wing to be a friend of the military industrial complex......



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 12:57 PM
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"In socialism/communism the state/government is the corporation. The only difference is a change in the name of who is in power. "

You are describing state captalism. That is exactly what america has evolved to become. Free markets cannot exist perpetually due to entropy. They merge or buy each other out till a few big companies rule each sector of the economy. They are private monopolies.

A public monopoly is much better because the people own it and reap the benefits of their hard work. You can have socialism without any trace of communism. They are DIFFERENT SYSTEMS much like socialism and capitalism are.



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
That is communism and yes it is a brutal zombie system. No arguement there except you think socialism and communism is the same thing. That is were the dishonesty BEGINS on your part and MANY OTHERS! I have lived in socialist european countries for many years so I have first hand knowledge just like you alledge to have lived in cuba.


Humm... I wonder who said "socialism is but a stage to transform a capitalist country into communism"... Oh yeah, it was Karl Marx.


The Fourth Phase: Socialism

Marx has never used the concept of state socialism. He usually used "socialism or social society." Marx meant by socialism the stage that follows capitalism. Socialism, according to Marx, entails the removal of social inequalities through limited social and government ownership of property and the means of production and distribution, and the redistribution of wealth and resources through high taxes and confiscation. For Marx, it is a transitional stage between capitalism and communism.
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www.chsbs.cmich.edu...


Perhaps it is you who is extremely ignorant on this topic? Just a thought.


How am I exteremely ignorant? If communism is the end goal THEN YES it is a transitional stage from capitalism to communism, BUT if socialism is the end goal then IT IS THE END GOAL! Duh dude.

Every socialist is a communist? NO! I despise communism and have stated it publicly many times.



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 01:21 PM
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State capitalism


From wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

The term State capitalism has various different meanings, but is usually described as commercial (profit-seeking) economic activity undertaken by the state with management of the productive forces in a capitalist manner, even if the state is nominally socialist.[1] State capitalism is usually characterized by the dominance or existence of a significant number of state-owned business enterprises. Examples of state capitalism include Corporatized government agencies (agencies organized along corporate and business management practices) and states that own controlling shares of publicly-listed corporations, effectively acting as a large capitalist and shareholder itself.

State capitalism has also come to refer to an economic system where the means of production are owned privately but the state has considerable control over the allocation of credit and investment, as in the case of France during the period of dirigisme. Alternatively, state capitalism may be used (sometimes interchangeably with state monopoly capitalism) to describe a system where the state intervenes in the economy to protect and advance the interests of large-scale businesses. This practice is often claimed to be in contrast with the ideals of both socialism and laissez-faire capitalism.[2]

There are various theories and critiques of state capitalism, some of which have existed since the 1917 October Revolution or even before. The common themes among them are to identify that the workers do not meaningfully control the means of production and that commodity relations and production for profit still occur within state capitalism. Other socialists use the term state capitalism to refer to an economic system that is nominally capitalist, such that business and private owners gain the profits from an economy largely subsidized, developed and where decisive research and development is done by the state sector at public cost.[3]

Marxist literature typically defines state capitalism as a social system combining capitalism—the wage system of producing and appropriating surplus value—with ownership or control by a state. By that definition, a state capitalist country is one where the government controls the economy and essentially acts like a single huge corporation, extracting the surplus value from the workforce in order to invest it in further production.[3] Friedrich Engels, in Socialism: Utopian and Scientific, argues that state capitalism would be the final stage of capitalism consisting of ownership and management of large-scale production and communication by the bourgeois state.[4]

This term is also used by some advocates of laissez-faire capitalism in reference to a private capitalist economy controlled by a state, often meaning a privately owned economy that is subject to statist economic planning. Some even use the term to refer to capitalist economies such that the state provides substantial public services and regulation of business activity. In the 1930s, Italian Fascist leader Benito Mussolini described Italian Fascism's economic system of corporatism as "state socialism turned on its head".[5] This term was often used to describe the controlled economies of the great powers in the First World War.[6]


The world suffers from this and nothing else. It is what mussolini hated and what he and hitler fought against. EVIL CAPITALISM! Unfortunately they lost and capitalism won. Damm churchill, roosevelt and stalin! All three of them were elitist puppets.

Under facism you get true socialism. That is why hitler hated communists, gypsies, jews AND ESPECIALLY CAPITALISTS! He had an obsession lobbing missiles into england but the obsession that cost the world greatly was the jewish holocaust.

The jews never forget, do they? They THINK they own the world, but they will lose everything. It has nothing to do with zionism either. Get a clue people!!!



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Don't look now - the Federal Reserve is and has always been privatized, right from it's inception. Ditto the Postal Service. Look it up. The TSA and indeed ALL of Homeland Security should be abolished, as should the federal Reserve. Again, I give less than a damn about the GOP, or what they want.


So why are you not with the 99% who denounce the same things you denounce


You sit here whining like a child, when you should be out in the streets raising hell.

Something about people like you strikes me odd, but I can't put my finger on it...



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by Chance321
 

Any person who aligns themselves with a hateful group is a racist as when the racial slurs were being tossed around in 09 - 10 and there was not one peep from any of the chapters, none of the elected people have come out against it. Your group is a bunch of racists. You are judged by the company you keep.



Well, I guess you told me, huh? Should be more careful, cause things have a way of turning around and biting you on the butt, for example: Communist Party supporting the occupation- www.youtube.com...
The black panther party supports the occupation- www.youtube.com...
Your right, you are judged by the company you keep and I'll stand by the non-racist Tea Party.



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 06:59 PM
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STRONG EMPHASIS UPON THE FOLLOWING AND CANNOT BE EXPRESSED ENOUGH :
Unless it comes from Occupy Together, Occupy Everything, #Occupy Wall Street, NYC General Assembly or any of the countless official "Occupy" family of sites it does not speak for this movement and the movement will not endorse any site outside of our family of sites. Adbusters does not speak for us, Tides does not speak for us, no union speaks for us, The American Socialist Party does not speak for us, The Communist Party does not speak for us neither does any group that has decided to join us under their own free will and volition but even those groups and our partner firms do not speak for us! We speak for ourselves!

This is the fundamental difference between us and The Tea Party!
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posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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STRONG EMPHASIS UPON THE FOLLOWING AND CANNOT BE EXPRESSED ENOUGH :
Unless it comes from Occupy Together, Occupy Everything, #Occupy Wall Street, NYC General Assembly or any of the countless official "Occupy" family of sites it does not speak for this movement and the movement will not endorse any site outside of our family of sites. Adbusters does not speak for us, Tides does not speak for us, no union speaks for us, The American Socialist Party does not speak for us, The Communist Party does not speak for us neither does any group that has decided to join us under their own free will and volition but even those groups and our partner firms do not speak for us! We speak for ourselves!

This is the fundamental difference between us and The Tea Party!
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That's funny cause in all these videos- www.youtube.com... they don't seem to have a problem speaking for OWS. Nobody seemed upset that they were there.





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