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posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 11:26 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by nenothtu
 


What is it about the following that you do not understand? :


The part where they are accepting endorsements and assistance from all of these various nefarious groups rather than rejecting said endorsements and telling said groups to go pound salt.

It seems a very odd method of "resistance" to me.




posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 11:28 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by nenothtu

Reagan was a democrat until 1962, when he switched parties at age 51.

You were saying something about "preposterous"?


It is pretty evident he was a closet republican.

You have to be right wing to be a friend of the military industrial complex......



Do you mean in the same way that Bush was a closet Democrat while claiming to be a Republican?

Sort of like that?



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 11:48 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

The world suffers from this and nothing else. It is what mussolini hated and what he and hitler fought against. EVIL CAPITALISM! Unfortunately they lost and capitalism won. Damm churchill, roosevelt and stalin! All three of them were elitist puppets.

Under facism you get true socialism. That is why hitler hated communists, gypsies, jews AND ESPECIALLY CAPITALISTS! He had an obsession lobbing missiles into england but the obsession that cost the world greatly was the jewish holocaust.

The jews never forget, do they? They THINK they own the world, but they will lose everything. It has nothing to do with zionism either. Get a clue people!!!


Unholy Mother of Marduk!

It's good to know where you stand and who your heroes are.

You're one of the ones who thinks OWS is a good thing, right?



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 11:59 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by nenothtu

Don't look now - the Federal Reserve is and has always been privatized, right from it's inception. Ditto the Postal Service. Look it up. The TSA and indeed ALL of Homeland Security should be abolished, as should the federal Reserve. Again, I give less than a damn about the GOP, or what they want.


So why are you not with the 99% who denounce the same things you denounce



The "99%" is a myth, a false dichotomy designed in furtherance of a "class war". There IS no "99%" other than in the rhetoric of the collectivists, as an effort to press gang more numbers into their collective. It's nothing more than a catch phrase, an attempt to re-draw the lines to draft more unwilling participants into their own camp. It's a sort of gerrymandering.

If instead you mean OWS, they may be against some of the same things I am against, but they are not for any of the things I am for. I am not about to make common cause with them in taking on the things I am against, since I know what happens to those who help collectivists after the victory is gained and the counter-revolutions begin.



You sit here whining like a child, when you should be out in the streets raising hell.


I'm at a loss. Why is "raising hell in the streets" a good idea, what do you think it will accomplish, and how does it differ from "whining like a mob of petulant children"?



Something about people like you strikes me odd, but I can't put my finger on it...



I believe that in my next post above, I have already put my finger on what strikes me as odd about your stance. I reckon that puts me a step ahead of you.



posted on Nov, 2 2011 @ 08:53 AM
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Because they do not, Understand this please!



posted on Nov, 2 2011 @ 08:55 AM
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No they were not because time after time they kept on being allowed in!



posted on Nov, 2 2011 @ 09:20 AM
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1. If you got sick pre 2010 they could drop you and there'd be nothing you could do about it! The GOP ended the National Insurance Exchange that would've lowered costs across the board.
2. No one is forcing you to get coverage if you already have coverage
3. No it does not because for nearly 50 years we've been having insurance for all lies get dangled in front of us with no plan be brought forth. The plan is far from perfect but is to serve as a stepping stone. The current plan is not the final one.
4. The insurance lobby got that in so the blame lies directly at them.
5. The plan to mass exodus from the banks ongoing currently is helping us starve them. Starve those insurance firms that put profits before people and watch how quick they reverse the course.
6. To take care of your fellow human is a fundamental right of every human being. To turn your back on people means you are out for yourself and flip everyone else. This exact thinking has caused a whole mess of our problems, Since when it is a crime to want to take care of our fellow humanbeing?
7. The Fed became privatized in 1913 and will be nationalized after 2013.

Post 2
I know it cuts both was but even you have got to admit that there is racism inthe TP.

Post 3
See my reply post to this.



posted on Nov, 2 2011 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

The world suffers from this and nothing else. It is what mussolini hated and what he and hitler fought against. EVIL CAPITALISM! Unfortunately they lost and capitalism won. Damm churchill, roosevelt and stalin! All three of them were elitist puppets.

Under facism you get true socialism. That is why hitler hated communists, gypsies, jews AND ESPECIALLY CAPITALISTS! He had an obsession lobbing missiles into england but the obsession that cost the world greatly was the jewish holocaust.

The jews never forget, do they? They THINK they own the world, but they will lose everything. It has nothing to do with zionism either. Get a clue people!!!


Unholy Mother of Marduk!

It's good to know where you stand and who your heroes are.

You're one of the ones who thinks OWS is a good thing, right?


Yes I think america and the rest of the world needs socialism. Capitalism is the private ownership of all the means of production making you a slave to those monopolies. I much prefer working for a public monopoly that every citizen of the nation theoretically owns a share in.

Nazism/Facism had its bad points such as the holocaust and invasion of european nations but at that time every nation was under a monarchy and atlantic europeans were colonising the globe. The central and eastern europeans were choked out of the markets. Germany had suffered a humbling defeat in ww1, had rampant inflation, unemployment, lack of raw materials, etc thus was primed for war. Too many people are ignorant of all those details when they bash germany, italy and japan.

As for OWS it is anti-greed and what it evolves to later is anyone's guess. There is no reason for me to have any reservations at this point because any outcome except for communism would be a huge plus. You can disagree all you want. It makes no difference to me.



posted on Nov, 2 2011 @ 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by nenothtu

Don't look now - the Federal Reserve is and has always been privatized, right from it's inception. Ditto the Postal Service. Look it up. The TSA and indeed ALL of Homeland Security should be abolished, as should the federal Reserve. Again, I give less than a damn about the GOP, or what they want.


So why are you not with the 99% who denounce the same things you denounce



The "99%" is a myth, a false dichotomy designed in furtherance of a "class war". There IS no "99%" other than in the rhetoric of the collectivists, as an effort to press gang more numbers into their collective. It's nothing more than a catch phrase, an attempt to re-draw the lines to draft more unwilling participants into their own camp. It's a sort of gerrymandering.

If instead you mean OWS, they may be against some of the same things I am against, but they are not for any of the things I am for. I am not about to make common cause with them in taking on the things I am against, since I know what happens to those who help collectivists after the victory is gained and the counter-revolutions begin.


I am not paranoid against government as others seem to be. It has been hijacked by big business and needs to be liberated by the people. Just like when a car breaks down you tow it to a garage and have it fixed. Libertarians would probably abandon it somewhere and walk home. The next day they buy a new car!



posted on Nov, 2 2011 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by nenothtu
 


1. If you got sick pre 2010 they could drop you and there'd be nothing you could do about it! The GOP ended the National Insurance Exchange that would've lowered costs across the board.


THEY CAN NOT DROP ME FROM ROLLS I AM NOT ON.

How hard is that to understand?



2. No one is forcing you to get coverage if you already have coverage


That has to be the single dumbest statement I've heard today, and I've heard several already. Why in the devil WOULD they have to force me to get coverage if I ALREADY HAD it? I DON'T have it, don't want it, and refuse to buy it. No law on the planet will make that otherwise. I'm not buying in to Obama's plan to enrich Wall Street through forced business deals.

They can all bite me.



3. No it does not because for nearly 50 years we've been having insurance for all lies get dangled in front of us with no plan be brought forth. The plan is far from perfect but is to serve as a stepping stone. The current plan is not the final one.


Yeah, that "mission creep" can be a bitch, huh? Boiling frogs, and all that... I aim to refuse compliance right at the start. Why wait for the next step in Stalin... err, I mean Obama's Five Year Plan?



4. The insurance lobby got that in so the blame lies directly at them.


They do not make laws. They did not pass it. I will blame those who do and did, thank you.



5. The plan to mass exodus from the banks ongoing currently is helping us starve them. Starve those insurance firms that put profits before people and watch how quick they reverse the course.


Son, you're way behind me there. I've not banked with any banks in years, and likewise I've not bought insurance I don't need and can't use in years. I've already forged ahead to demanding political change from the people who do politics, having dealt with the financial shenanigans LONG ago. Where have you been, and when do you plan on catching up?



6. To take care of your fellow human is a fundamental right of every human being.


Yes, to take care of people is a right. To BE taken care of is not.



To turn your back on people means you are out for yourself and flip everyone else. This exact thinking has caused a whole mess of our problems, Since when it is a crime to want to take care of our fellow humanbeing?


So go take care of some! What's stopping you? Your rights END where mine begin, meaning you've no rights to demand anything at all from me. I have my own Human Beings to take care of - go find your own to take care of, and get on it, rather than standing around demanding someone else do it!



7. The Fed became privatized in 1913 and will be nationalized after 2013.


You may not believe this, but I saw THAT power play coming long ago, which is why I've been agitating to DISSOLVE the Fed, and give those functions back to Treasury, where they belong according to the Constitution. The Federal reserve needs to be ABOLISHED, not "nationalized". Evil needs no more tools - it already has enough that the People are going to have to dismantle. Start by dismantling the Fed, and denying Evil the use of that tool rather than allowing yet another Evil to co-opt it.



Post 2
I know it cuts both was but even you have got to admit that there is racism in the TP.


There might be, or there might not. I don't really know, not having dealt with the Tea Party in quite a long time, since the "leftists" (i.e. collectivist neocons) took it over.



Post 3
See my reply post to this.






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posted on Nov, 2 2011 @ 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Yes I think america and the rest of the world needs socialism. Capitalism is the private ownership of all the means of production making you a slave to those monopolies. I much prefer working for a public monopoly that every citizen of the nation theoretically owns a share in.


What difference does it make who has the monopoly? It won't be you, so you're just trading one Master for another. Don't give me that collectivist crap about how "the People" have the monopoly. That's BS. Someone else is making the decisions that run YOUR life.

Just another Master, and you're willingly embracing it. What difference one Monopolist Master over another?



Nazism/Facism had its bad points such as the holocaust and invasion of european nations but at that time every nation was under a monarchy and atlantic europeans were colonising the globe. The central and eastern europeans were choked out of the markets. Germany had suffered a humbling defeat in ww1, had rampant inflation, unemployment, lack of raw materials, etc thus was primed for war. Too many people are ignorant of all those details when they bash germany, italy and japan.


"Had it's bad points"? Seriously? that's like saying AIDS has some negativity attached to it. Evil is evil.

"Every nation was under a monarchy"? Seriously, What universe were you living in at the time? It sure wasn't this one. Maybe your local country was a monarchy - I don't know, not knowing what country that is - but "every nation" was most certainly NOT.



As for OWS it is anti-greed and what it evolves to later is anyone's guess. There is no reason for me to have any reservations at this point because any outcome except for communism would be a huge plus. You can disagree all you want. It makes no difference to me.


You may have to "guess" what it will "evolve" into, but I don't. It's following the blueprint to the T. I already KNOW where it's going if it continues that development, and doesn't just merely fizzle out. That's exactly why I'm glad I've already taught my son how to wage a guerrilla campaign. After I'm long gone, the Resistance will live on, and Counter-guerrillas are the only answer to guerrillas. massive government assault of guerrillas always has the contrary impact to what was intended. That's built-in to guerrilla method.

It takes a counter guerrilla to take out a guerrilla. You're right, the government hasn't got a prayer against OWS.

The people DO, however, and it is they who will end it if it can't control itself.



posted on Nov, 2 2011 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Yes I think america and the rest of the world needs socialism. Capitalism is the private ownership of all the means of production making you a slave to those monopolies. I much prefer working for a public monopoly that every citizen of the nation theoretically owns a share in.


What difference does it make who has the monopoly? It won't be you, so you're just trading one Master for another. Don't give me that collectivist crap about how "the People" have the monopoly. That's BS. Someone else is making the decisions that run YOUR life.

Just another Master, and you're willingly embracing it. What difference one Monopolist Master over another?


You sound just like projectvxn with his hate for communism. Have you been abused by them?

I think it is extremely dishonest on your part to continue labeling socialists as communists and it does get aggraviting having to refute the same point again and again and again and again and again. I know people who had a fear of flying getting over their phobia but some hardcore "free capitalists" seem doomed. Either everything is private or they remain unhappy. Yeah keep telling yourself you are not part of the elitists while promising guerilla insurgencies. Are you part of the cia that has been installing right wing dictatorships in south america? Just curious...............



posted on Nov, 2 2011 @ 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

"Had it's bad points"? Seriously? that's like saying AIDS has some negativity attached to it. Evil is evil.

"Every nation was under a monarchy"? Seriously, What universe were you living in at the time? It sure wasn't this one. Maybe your local country was a monarchy - I don't know, not knowing what country that is - but "every nation" was most certainly NOT.


Most countries DID HAVE monarchies in europe before the national socialists took over and started conquering the opposition. Why would you claim otherwise I have no idea. Either you are ignorant of history or you are here to troll.



posted on Nov, 2 2011 @ 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

You sound just like projectvxn with his hate for communism. Have you been abused by them?


You could say that, I suppose. I returned my share of abuse right back to them, and will continue to do so until I am dead and gone.

Then my kids will carry on where I left off.



I think it is extremely dishonest on your part to continue labeling socialists as communists and it does get aggraviting having to refute the same point again and again and again and again and again.


Where has it been refuted? Socialism IS the same thing as communism, and fascism too. They are ALL collectivist, the only difference is in the matter of degree, and which conglomerate uses the people - whether a corporation or their own government. Either way, it's a few at the top micromanaging YOUR life, and that of everyone else. Sure, they like to hide behind rhetoric claiming that somehow "the people" own the means of production, but they don't, not by a long shot.



I know people who had a fear of flying getting over their phobia but some hardcore "free capitalists" seem doomed.


A "phobia" is an unfounded fear. let some collectivists shoot at you a few times, take out a few people who meant something to you in their "Glorious Peoples Revolution", then come back and tell me about "phobias", and how they had to kill those people in order to save them.



Yeah keep telling yourself you are not part of the elitists while promising guerilla insurgencies.


You seem to have misread me. I promised a COUNTER insurgency., and I'm not a stranger to that concept.

One other thing before you all get rolling real good - I never make a promise I'm not prepared to keep.



Are you part of the cia that has been installing right wing dictatorships in south america? Just curious...............


I gotta wonder why everything always gets pointed back at the CIA, or "paid disinfo agents" and such like. You know, some folks are just plain able to think for themselves, and know what they've seen. Don't have to be CIA to be able to think, and read the warning signs.

Yes, I am acquainted with Central America, and no, I am not CIA.


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posted on Nov, 2 2011 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by nenothtu

"Had it's bad points"? Seriously? that's like saying AIDS has some negativity attached to it. Evil is evil.

"Every nation was under a monarchy"? Seriously, What universe were you living in at the time? It sure wasn't this one. Maybe your local country was a monarchy - I don't know, not knowing what country that is - but "every nation" was most certainly NOT.


Most countries DID HAVE monarchies in europe before the national socialists took over and started conquering the opposition. Why would you claim otherwise I have no idea. Either you are ignorant of history or you are here to troll.


Europe is not, nor does it include "every nation". If Europe isn't happy with it's monarchies, Europe ought to do something about that.

Something other than trying to project their own problems on to "every nation".



posted on Nov, 2 2011 @ 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

You sound just like projectvxn with his hate for communism. Have you been abused by them?


You could say that, I suppose. I returned my share of abuse right back to them, and will continue to do so until I am dead and gone.

Then my kids will carry on where I left off.


Wow. Talking about hate. I guess everyone who has fought the cold war has to hate the communists till their dying days.



Where has it been refuted? Socialism IS the same thing as communism, and fascism too. They are ALL collectivist, the only difference is in the matter of degree, and which conglomerate uses the people - whether a corporation or their own government. Either way, it's a few at the top micromanaging YOUR life, and that of everyone else. Sure, they like to hide behind rhetoric claiming that somehow "the people" own the means of production, but they don't, not by a long shot.


Karl Marx claimed socialism was a stepping stone to communism. Communism was defined as the end goal of all the revolutions combined. No where has it been stated that the two systems are alike in the slighest. It is exactly this selective reasoning that annoys all the left wingers. A true collectivist is a communist, not a socialist.

Socialism is the middle road system. Major industry and banking should be public; owned by the people and RUN by the government. The government is not some super-duper cloaked entity run by marsians or venusians. It is supposed to be representatives of the people. If they fail their obligations to their constituents then they should be replaced.



A "phobia" is an unfounded fear. let some collectivists shoot at you a few times, take out a few people who meant something to you in their "Glorious Peoples Revolution", then come back and tell me about "phobias", and how they had to kill those people in order to save them.


You choose to fight for the USA government or some security firm and the bad guys were identified as communists. That means you should hate them in perpetuity, just like you hate the unions for getting some of your friends killed...Yeah I remember that silly arguement as well!



You seem to have misread me. I promised a COUNTER insurgency., and I'm not a stranger to that concept.


whatever.


One other thing before you all get rolling real good - I never make a promise I'm not prepared to keep.


Again whatever.



I gotta wonder why everything always gets pointed back at the CIA, or "paid disinfo agents" and such like. You know, some folks are just plain able to think for themselves, and know what they've seen. Don't have to be CIA to be able to think, and read the warning signs.

Yes, I am acquainted with Central America, and no, I am not CIA.

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Because the cia and kgb rule the world...in case it really is not obvious!



posted on Nov, 2 2011 @ 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by nenothtu

"Had it's bad points"? Seriously? that's like saying AIDS has some negativity attached to it. Evil is evil.

"Every nation was under a monarchy"? Seriously, What universe were you living in at the time? It sure wasn't this one. Maybe your local country was a monarchy - I don't know, not knowing what country that is - but "every nation" was most certainly NOT.


Most countries DID HAVE monarchies in europe before the national socialists took over and started conquering the opposition. Why would you claim otherwise I have no idea. Either you are ignorant of history or you are here to troll.


Europe is not, nor does it include "every nation". If Europe isn't happy with it's monarchies, Europe ought to do something about that.

Something other than trying to project their own problems on to "every nation".


Is this post a joke?? It sure reads like it.....





posted on Nov, 2 2011 @ 08:47 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Wow. Talking about hate. I guess everyone who has fought the cold war has to hate the communists till their dying days.


Nope. It's just a matter of having seen first hand what you are trying to force on my People at home. Leave us alone, and there's no need to "hate".




Karl Marx claimed socialism was a stepping stone to communism. Communism was defined as the end goal of all the revolutions combined. No where has it been stated that the two systems are alike in the slighest. It is exactly this selective reasoning that annoys all the left wingers. A true collectivist is a communist, not a socialist.

Socialism is the middle road system. Major industry and banking should be public; owned by the people and RUN by the government. The government is not some super-duper cloaked entity run by marsians or venusians. It is supposed to be representatives of the people. If they fail their obligations to their constituents then they should be replaced.


Attempting to redefine it in mid stroke doesn't change the core values, which are collectivist - to the core. The very name, "Socialism" implicates a collective.



You choose to fight for the USA government or some security firm and the bad guys were identified as communists. That means you should hate them in perpetuity, just like you hate the unions for getting some of your friends killed...Yeah I remember that silly arguement as well!


Are you trying to convince me that it's ok to kill folks as long as they're killed implementing YOUR system and usurping the one the Founding fathers set up here? It may seem a "silly" argument to you now, but come back and tell me that after some of YOUR friends or family have leaked out of your arms and all over the ground over some other guy's ideology.

In some of my conflicts the "bad guys" identified themselves as "communist", some identified themselves as "socialist", and most were just other foot soldiers press ganged into the fight by one or the other of those core groups.

I don't care who they are - killing innocents to make room for their twisted ideology isn't ok to me. If it is to you, then that's on you.




You seem to have misread me. I promised a COUNTER insurgency., and I'm not a stranger to that concept.


whatever.


To paraphrase John Titor, it may be a "no brainer" to you right now, but if you keep pressing onward, it's gonna be a "no-armer" and a "no-legger" before you know it. Either way, your side has the first move - better make it count.





I gotta wonder why everything always gets pointed back at the CIA, or "paid disinfo agents" and such like. You know, some folks are just plain able to think for themselves, and know what they've seen. Don't have to be CIA to be able to think, and read the warning signs.

Yes, I am acquainted with Central America, and no, I am not CIA.



Because the cia and kgb rule the world...in case it really is not obvious!


ROFLMFAO!

I'll just add them to the list of "people you think rule the world".

ROFLMFAO!



posted on Nov, 2 2011 @ 08:57 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by nenothtu

Europe is not, nor does it include "every nation". If Europe isn't happy with it's monarchies, Europe ought to do something about that.

Something other than trying to project their own problems on to "every nation".


Is this post a joke?? It sure reads like it.....




You said "every nation was under a monarchy", then changed it to "every European nation was a monarchy", which i still take issue with, but that's nor really the subject here.

From that switch, I am forced to conclude that you think there are no nations other than European nations. How does that differ from the chauvenism the US is so often accused of?



posted on Nov, 4 2011 @ 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
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Nice example of groupthink.

"You're a member of ATS so therefore you have to think this way."

Why don't I help? Because it's a leftist movement.

And why complain about the violence. This is something OWS people want:
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Where does it say people "want" it? Nowhere.

Nice try but denying ignorance begins with people like you who deliberately spin words.





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