Michael Moore Lies " I Am Not Part of the 1%"

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

Yet here we are trying to explain that to people who don't know their own history and blame capitalism for all of their problems. Holding hands with the source of the problem.

Yeah, some of us have, and are trying to do this, but will the people listen in time?

IMO people will not learn until they have their hands shackled and the government/world government has control over their entire lives...and even then there will be people claiming "we need to give even more power to the state for the good of the people and the planet"...

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H.L. Mencken

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants, it is the creed of slaves." - William Pitt

"Find out just what any people will quitely submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them." -Frederick Douglass.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


agreed. Well I guess we should just enjoy what freedoms we do have an wait for death knocking on our door.

But then again, I will be armed.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by Kahlder

 

That .5% is in lockstep with the other .5%!

It took something like 380k a year to make it in the top 1%. You can't blame those sorts of people. It's the ridiculous people who make more money in an hour then you'll make in your lifetime. Even then...wealth distribution is only part of the problem.

reply to post by neo96


Michael Moore is so fat that even his Chin has F.U.P.A

Originally posted by AzureSky
When refering to the 1%. Most of the 1% are not people, but corporations that control billions and trillions, and lets not forget the billionaires who have made record profits for themselves in the last 10 years.

He is not part of the 1%, he supports the 99%, which makes him the 99%. People, even wealthy people like Mr Moore, still have a heart, and know where it's at. He's been talking about wall streets crimes before ows even started, of course he'd be on board.

People take things way too literal, big problem today.

Also, how much has he donated to various causes?

Also, how many anti-ows posts and comments do you need to make before you'll stop? Its the same crap over and over again.

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Perfect example of the sliding scale. Mom-and-pop businesses that earn over a million dollars? They're not part of the 1% because they're just regular people. Moore's not part of it, because he's a big name that OWS can latch on to. Andrew Carnegie wouldn't have be1en part of the 1% because he gave his money away before dying.

If these people aren't part of this nebulous, ever-changing description of "The 1%", then who is? Perhaps that should be one thing OWS need to get together and hammer out. Because every time OWS whines about the 1%, they're talking about the above. It's getting pretty confusing the way they keep changing the rules.

/TOA

Oh yes, another republican rant fest.

And all the regulars showed up.

How much fox news do you watch? Every time i see the comments from these people (you know who you are) it is just the same bs that fox news puts out. The majority of the republicans i know are exactly the same too.

Michael moore is evil
Obama is a muslim communist
Everyone without a job is a deadbeat
The rich need to be richer
The poor should get less

It is so sad that you have to continue to stick to this ideology even after the events of the past 15 years. The republicans are no different from the democrats. The argument is worn out and is worthless.

Moore is just like anyone else making documentaries and spreading news. Some of it is bs and some of it is truth. You have to take any information you see with a grain of salt and do the research yourself to find it. This is obviously not what you do when you watch fox news, it must be all truth.

What a bunch of hyperbolic weirdness. He's not in the .25% that owns the companies that control the other companies that own companies that control the world. He lives over by Flint, Michigan. He's one of us. He's not my favorite one of us, but he's one of us.

reply to post by SyphonX

1% doesn't refer to people like Michael Moore. It doesn't refer to anyone in show business. 1% (more like 0.3% or less) refers to the tip of the crust that initiated bailouts, and continue to do as they please to the tune of trillions of dollars. The super-elite. Moore is not one of the super-elite. 1% doesn't refer to people who are simply "rich", or living 'well'. It's a label for people you've probably never seen before. Does Michael Moore trip up the entire world economy by initiating a nation-wide housing collapse? No, he does not.

You are 100% correct sir. Sadly, these cats refuse to listen or acknowledge this.

OWS: The 1% elite controlling the financial system, the corporations, those handing out tax payer money as bailouts, this system needs to be fixed to make it FAIR.

Them: What do you want? you have no demands!

OWS: We want the 1% to pay the same tax, in per portion, to the rest of us, we want the bankers and corporations held accountable for their fraud, like the rest of us

Them:So you hate the rich and want them to give you their money so you don't have to get a job

OWS: I have a job, the system is rigged from the top down, if the economic collapse isn't enough evidence of that, you are retarded

Them: So you are communist socialist left leaning pot smoking, gay sex having, abortion loving, morons.

You are just wasting your time.

Originally posted by AzureSky
When refering to the 1%. Most of the 1% are not people, but corporations that control billions and trillions, and lets not forget the billionaires who have made record profits for themselves in the last 10 years.

He is not part of the 1%, he supports the 99%, which makes him the 99%.

Complete contradiction in terms, on your part.

The "1%" moniker isn't to promote personal feelings or beliefs, but strictly a demographic of where the money is in our society. The OWS crowd is usurping the base definition of 1%, in this case, to their own needs, and thereby garbling their intent to outside audiences. Now, is Moore a part of the upper .5% or less that so many are trying to point out the difference between? No, he's not. But for him to state anything about his beliefs as if it changes how much money he has? That is a hypocrite, of the "let's pretend my money means nothing" order.

I'm wondering how many of you in here are going to defend Moore, but not this guy: thehoneycomb's thread.

Originally posted by synnergy
When he was talking about the 1%, he described those that are very wealthy AND want to be more wealthy and ANY cost.

This is true, to some degree, but the 1% is not all like this, so like any generalised marker, he IS the 1%, although the things we don't like about most 1% may not apply to him. Besides, if he's told 1 flagrant lie in his documentaries, he's a rich user, and is definitely the part of the 1% we complain about.

Oh wait, from a Liberal on Moore's work:

To describe this film as dishonest and demagogic would almost be to promote those terms to the level of respectability. To describe this film as a piece of crap would be to run the risk of a discourse that would never again rise above the excremental. To describe it as an exercise in facile crowd-pleasing would be too obvious. Fahrenheit 9/11 is a sinister exercise in moral frivolity, crudely disguised as an exercise in seriousness. It is also a spectacle of abject political cowardice masking itself as a demonstration of "dissenting" bravery.

So he IS a part of the problem. And that, from a liberal source.

Oh, and his former employee:

But I can’t accept him as a political person. I can’t buy into this thing of Michael Moore is on your side—it’s like trying to believe that Justin Timberlake is a soulful guy. It’s a media product: he’s just selling me something. For the preservation of my own soul I have to consider him as just an entertainer, because otherwise he’s a huge asshole. If you consider him an entertainer, then his acting like a selfish, self-absorbed, pouty, deeply conflicted, easily wounded child is run-of-the-mill, standard behavior. But if he’s a political force, then he’s a jerk and a hypocrite and he didn’t treat us right and he was false in all of his dealings.”

Along with other employee information.

Oh, and if that wasn't enough:

Should a person who thought that Enron was a great investment, that Ralph Nader, Wesley Clark and John Kerry would win, and that North Korea's Kim Jong was changing for the better, advise us on ANYTHING?

Here.

Originally posted by tooo many pills The fact is he is actively trying to correct the system.

Link, please. I'd like to see where any of his rhetoric is actually useful. And I mean other than party line for this one--I want something few back that's so novel that he's worth keeping as a leader of dissent. If he's a dime-a-dozen, put a poor version in his place because it's easier to seduce the opposition who are upset at the upper tier with someone less of a a problem than Moore.

Originally posted by Judyview It is about the entire cutlure of the top tier making obscene salaries and the workers making squat.

If this is the baseline for our decision about Moore, do you know if he pays well or not? He caught flack for going outside Union in the movie industry on Capitalism: a Love Story.

Don't get me wrong, there's a lot about unions I don't like, but if Unions are for the little people (debatable), and Moore is for the little people (debatable), then these two shouldn't be having a problem. Besides, this is a film about his love of Union Workers!

Regarding heros and villains... Here is another definition for you:

he·ro    [heer-oh]
noun, plural -roes; for 5 also -ros.
1. a man of distinguished courage or ability, admired for his brave deeds and noble qualities.
2. a person who, in the opinion of others, has heroic qualities or has performed a heroic act and is regarded as a model or ideal: He was a local hero when he saved the drowning child.

And here is one of the heroic deeds.
www.youtube.com...

Show me some Wall Street bankers or investment executives who have gone out of their way to save the lives of innocent, greed-victimized fathers.

It's fundamentally different in that he's a self made man. He never attended a prep school or an Ivy League University as Bill Gates or George Bush Jr. did.

He is not a member of the club, the Big Club.

This guy grew up middle working class american, saw his father's industry collapse around him in Michigan and began making documentaries about it.

Though he is considered rich and 1% by some here, he earned his wealth and didn't earn his money by Credit Default Swaps and Derivatives ....and other fraudulent methods associated with toxic debt instruments.

His wealth only reflects his work which many admire and will pay to see and LEARN from.

Most of the disdain I see against Michael Moore is solely due to his physical appearance. We are a very discriminatory society here in America, and the hatred towards Michael Moore portrays this.

He's always been ahead of his time and his self made wealth reflects it. I commend him for making money and being successful without taking money from others as the Bankers have historically done.

George Carlin explains who the 1% are and Michael Moore doesn't own you and I as the 1% do :



Peace

Michael Moore is not part of the 1%.

It is not how much money you have, it is not about just rich & poor.


It's about screwing the people and greed and corruption.... It's about the banks and money ruling the conscience and morals of politicians and corporations... plenty of "wealthy" people are behind the Occupy Movements.


This is not a class war, nor is it a rich vs poor thing.


It's a greed, corruption and injustice thing.

When will these morons get that through their thick heads....?

It seems to me a lot of people figure anyone who is a millionaire belongs in the 1%. Let's face it folks, a million dollars today isn't what it used to be.

I've watched Michael Moore for years and I DEFINITELY don't consider him to be a liar. In fact, whether you like his documentaries or not, he is the epitome of free speech in America.

You definitely underestimate this man if you think he's some kind of pariah on the American political scene. He has put himself on the line many times to bring to light some of the mischief that our political leaders have fostered.

I'm not seeing the love here. Give the man a break, he's earned it.

Say whaaat? So now the 1% only refers to corporations and businesses? So when a guy in OWS holds a sign that says "We are the 99%" he is referring to the business or corporation he owns?

Or the 1% only refers to people who are rich but don't agree with OWS? If you agree with OWS then you aren't in the 1% even if you're mega rich?

This is so absurd.

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I agree with you except on your theory of 'self-made wealth' and admiring that he didn't go to an Ivy League school. Some of the most evil, cruel people I know are 'self-made millionaires' who dropped out of high school and never went to college.

Michael isn't evil, cruel, nor part of the .25%. He donates to charities and puts money back into the community. Those I personally know, described in the above paragraph don't give to charity. They consider it a sign of mental illness to help those less fortunate. Hoard! Hoard! Seriously. They think they're better than us. They laugh at what we'll 'accept'. I may be one of the few on this board that actually spent some time with the .25%. It's only my opinion, not fact. MM is definitely NOT one of them.

Here's an excerpt from an article that more clearly illustrates exactly who the .25% MIGHT BE.
Source

When the team further untangled the web of ownership, it found much of it tracked back to a "super-entity" of 147 even more tightly knit companies - all of their ownership was held by other members of the super-entity - that controlled 40 per cent of the total wealth in the network. "In effect, less than 1 per cent of the companies were able to control 40 per cent of the entire network," says Glattfelder. Most were financial institutions. The top 20 included Barclays Bank, JPMorgan Chase & Co, and The Goldman Sachs Group

The top 50 of the 147 superconnected companies
1. Barclays plc
2. Capital Group Companies Inc
3. FMR Corporation
4. AXA
5. State Street Corporation
6. JP Morgan Chase & Co
7. Legal & General Group plc
8. Vanguard Group Inc
9. UBS AG
10. Merrill Lynch & Co Inc
11. Wellington Management Co LLP
12. Deutsche Bank AG
13. Franklin Resources Inc
14. Credit Suisse Group
15. Walton Enterprises LLC
16. Bank of New York Mellon Corp
17. Natixis
18. Goldman Sachs Group Inc
19. T Rowe Price Group Inc
20. Legg Mason Inc
21. Morgan Stanley
22. Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group Inc
23. Northern Trust Corporation
24. Société Générale
25. Bank of America Corporation
26. Lloyds TSB Group plc
27. Invesco plc
28. Allianz SE
29. TIAA
30. Old Mutual Public Limited Company
31. Aviva plc
32. Schroders plc
33. Dodge & Cox
34. Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc*
35. Sun Life Financial Inc
36. Standard Life plc
37. CNCE
38. Nomura Holdings Inc
39. The Depository Trust Company
40. Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance
41. ING Groep NV 42. Brandes Investment Partners LP
43. Unicredito Italiano SPA
44. Deposit Insurance Corporation of Japan
45. Vereniging Aegon
46. BNP Paribas
47. Affiliated Managers Group Inc
48. Resona Holdings Inc
49. Capital Group International Inc
50. China Petrochemical Group Company

* Lehman still existed in the 2007 dataset used
Graphic: The 1318 transnational corporations that form the core of the economy (Data: PLoS One)

I missed Michael Moore's name on that list.
Heck, where was Oprah and Arnie? Charlie Sheen?

Originally posted by popsmayhem
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

 

He was not *getting screwed* HE ENTERED AN AGREEMENTon how much money he was to be paid.
The movie did way better then he thought (because people eat this crap up)
and HE WENT BACK AND SUED FOR MOOOOORE
The name fits.
If the movie would of bombed guess who would of been on the hook
for it? Harvey Weinstein!!! NOT MOORE!

From Moore's lawyer:

Stein has issued the following statement: "An independent auditor came in and discovered that the Weinsteins had re-routed at least $2.7 million dollars that belonged to Michael Moore from "Fahrenheit 9/11." This is the first time Michael Moore has ever sued anyone in his 20-yr career as a filmmaker. That should be some indication about how serious this is. It's very sad it had to come to this. Michael believes the Weinsteins have been a force for good when it comes to championing independent film -- but that does not give them the right to violate a contract and take money that isn't theirs. The $2.7 million is just the floor of what we believe is owed. When this goes to discovery I wouldn't be surprised if the amount of what was taken goes much, much higher." www.hollywoodreporter.com...

Now tell me straight out...given these circumstances, would you be sitting back doing nothing or would you seek out the funds that you felt you'd been cheated out of?

The definition of an honest claim should not depend upon whether or not you like the guy...at least not to me, anyway.

I can't believe how divided ATS is on this OWS issue!

Well, yes I can.

If you think Michael Moore is part of the 1%, then you don't understand the movement. It's really that simple.

reply to post by neo96


Did you read the rest of the transcript or stop there? Two lines later he agrees with Morgan that he can be considered part of the 1% but he doesn't associate himself with them, that he isn't like other people up there.

Nice try at FOX news censorship

Originally posted by AzureSky
He is not part of the 1%, he supports the 99%, which makes him the 99%. People, even wealthy people like Mr Moore, still have a heart, and know where it's at.

So, you propose that only those "without a heart" to be the 1%?

Funny how Moore rages against all that is capitalist, all the while profiting beyond most peoples wildest dreams, using the exact same capitalist mechanisms to line his pockets. The hypocracy is sickening and Moore should be ashamed of himself.