Paul wants to phase out federal student loans.

reply to post by projectvxn


Yeah, I'm sure these people are all born (genetic-defects) deadbeats, they NEVER had any intention of paying these loans back in the first place...

This number will continue to rise, exponentially. It has sadly a LOT LESS TO DO WITH "PERSONAL RESPONSIBILTY" then it has to with the FACT there are no FREAKING JOBS, and the jobs that are available have multitudes of College JAG-OFFS applying for them.

I wonder if Projectvxn can see anything through those hip, slick, and cool sunglasses at all...

reply to post by odd1out


Or it could be that so many people where sold the idea that a college education is the ONLY way to get ahead that everyone began to take loans and demand more availability. While this may seem good on the surface, it creates, in the long run, something I like to call 'Diploma Inflation'.

Meaning that the more people out there who have the same skills you do, the less it is worth.

It isn't just the lack of jobs, sir.

reply to post by projectvxn


I agree with you there...

I have a college degree and it is worthless. Degree Inflation...definitely. Was I sold the "Big Idea?" Yep, my parents sold it to me all through my childhood...just as MANY children are "SOLD" (?) this idea, which used to be TRUE in many ways.

Did I borrow to get through school? Yep, my dad wasn't educated and never made much money so he couldn't pay for it. I also served active duty Army for four years. I contributed to the GI Bill (VEAP at the time). When I got out, I used the money for life instead of college, after four years I wasn't amounting to shizzle, so I went for the big idea...

Anyway, back to the topic...I'm still have to INSIST the increase in defaults is directly related to the FACT that jobs are scarce. Yes, personal responsibility and all that...but hey, our Government and Big Business have led this country's people by example...and it seems we're learning just fine

reply to post by odd1out



Indeed sir.

I agree, there is a huge lack of jobs. But I think people need to do more due diligence. They need to research fields of study, and figure out what, in the end, will actually benefit them.

I used to be a web designer. A damned good one at that. NEVER went to school or got certified for it because I knew that eventually that field would be over run by college kids and the filed would become more and more worthless over time.

These days it isn't enough to be able to design the site, the graphics, and the feedback handling scripts. No, these days you are expected to know how to configure servers, secure them, and design the websites. The skill sets needed have changed. What used to pay 50,000 a year now only pays 25,000.

reply to post by projectvxn


Please stop calling me sir... I was enlisted...

So, my take is that you would agree with RP's position on this?

reply to post by odd1out


Yes and no.

I don't feel we should stop all aid to those who seek higher education. Here's what I mean:

1. The student loan system is being monopolized by government. This can only mean that schools will stop focusing on merits of the students and start seen the cash cow that is the tax payer.

2. We should be focusing on fields of study that are beneficial to the United States overall. Things like math, science, and engineering.

3. We shouldn't be in the business of letting tax payer money flow out of the state coffers for liberal arts degrees. It's not that I'm against art, it's that I'm against someone using tax payer money to get an education that they can't afford and won't be able to produce enough to pay back. The school gets their money one way or the other. The student and the tax payer are the ones who get hosed in the end. If you're going to go for these kinds of degrees, you should pony up your own cash or seek private grants for such things.

I'm enlisted myself.

Sorry, they beat me if I don't

reply to post by projectvxn


Yep, did my homework, 15T...I was 13F, basically an artillery target spotter. Was with the 101st, Air Assault, so I've been in a few Blackhawks...If this was the proper place, I could tell you a story or two...

I've always wished that I never left the Army...it was the right lifestyle for me, I was just too young to know it...

Ok truce...we are on the same page...but geez, most of what you say bugs the hell out of me...that isn't always a bad thing by the way.

As you were...

reply to post by odd1out


15T here as well.

Going to try out for the 160th SOAR Nightstalkers.

Now THAT is a good education!

I bug the hell out of many people....I guess it's just a by-product of being me.

reply to post by ThaLoccster


He wants small government, not everyone else having to pay for the education of others so that they can get further ahead than them - that doesnt make sense!

If you want everyone else to look after you then you need a socialist system - be prepared to share what you have too ofcorse.

If you are happy to work for something for yourself then you want a system based on capitalism. This is what Ron Paul wants. He want to return to true capitilism where what you earn is yours and if you work harder than others you get more than others - if you cant work and you need help you rely on charities not government because the government should not morally be able to use the majorities money to benefit any minority.


People bag on both these systems but the truth is they both work, but neither are corruption proof. That is why it is the job of the people to keep an eye on those in control and remember it is their job to do so.

What people need to realise is you cant have both systems and keep it fair because of the systems' polar natures.
The current system is not a true system of capitilism because you are bailing massive corporations out, paying for wars on other countries while your own country is invaded daily by foreigners who get the benefit of a system you pay for, taking care of the sick and ageing population that has already outlived their ancestors 3 fold AND educating the stupid (not a mistype - whole world of knowledge at your fingertips and you want to pay someone else to teach it to you? They can't learn for you!)

Originally posted by samlf3rd
reply to post by ThaLoccster

 

Wow, I'm a college student, later Ron Paul.

TYPICAL - 'It doesnt work out in my interest so I'll vote against it!' mentality

You are not going to be a student forever, have you stopped to think if you want to have your money being lent to all the students of the future - have you stopped to think of the repercussions to you and future generations of maintaining this system? No, you just care about you and your little bubble - don't cry when it pops.

Those College Educations didn't create smart people.

How many college educated people have you met that are dumb as a rock? They just bought pieces of paper saying they're smart.


Oh the stories of college educated dimwits we could create with an entire other thread.

YOU the American taxpayers over the decades have paid low income and foreigners education costs. They got their College Degree's for free. This was done to employ whitey to do the teaching.

Now that there's no one who can get a CAREER or job to pay their education costs....the whole system has fallen apart. BUT America is STILL paying 100% of the costs of low income and foreigners educations.

Why is that?

reply to post by mblahnikluver


Actually Ron Paul did offer to cut his own salary, that says a lot. What you need to realize is the less government is involved in anything the more costs go down.

reply to post by mblahnikluver


actually in ron pauls plan he would be cutting his salary down to 38k a year. instead of the 400k they make now

Originally posted by rockintitz
reply to post by mblahnikluver

 

Actually Ron Paul did offer to cut his own salary, that says a lot. What you need to realize is the less government is involved in anything the more costs go down.

One person's salary being cut does nothing....

I agree less government is good BUT there needs to be an overhaul of the education system in this country. It's turned into a money scam much like the banking industry.

If Ron Paul thinks that his idea will indeed make a college education cheaper, then he needs to clear up a few things.

First of all, with no student loan system in place, how are the 99% going to attend college? You don't want to shut out people who could otherwise make something of themselves with a college education.

Second of all, we need qualified workers to fill positions that are frequently outsourced to more skilled laborers from other nations. How does Paul propose we find these qualified workers within the U.S?

Originally posted by samlf3rd
reply to post by ThaLoccster

 

Wow, I'm a college student, later Ron Paul.

How short sighted-you think you would serve your own self interests by becoming heavily indebted and graduating into a society which has no use for your skills-you're mistaken.

The reason education is so expensive is due to the interference of government. Due to this easy money available for student loans, and therefore the surplus of students, the education industry becomes far less competitive-it can charge much more-therefore prices go up.

These loans create a large demand for education by students who can 'afford' more expensive education-the increase in demand forces prices up-that is one mechanic.

The other mechanic is direst and indirect support by government spending (the peoples money), whereby certain favored institutions benefit, regardless of whether they are offering a higher quality service or not. This is anti competitive, allowing them to run fat and lazy.

A purely private system of education, with no loans would have to prove results-and would have to attract students with lower costs.

If you wanted to pay half or less, then you would support RP in this regard.

The other nasty aspect of student loans is that they are almost impossible to avoid, regardless of circumstances-you can't declare bankrupt and unable to pay-these are debt slaves loans-with punitive conditions.

Originally posted by maddog99
reply to post by Ihsahn

 

Did you happen to read any of this thread or try to research what happens when you stop giving federal loans to anyone who wants them? Or should I say what the schools do when the govt throws all that money around?
Obviously college hasn't taught you anything! Have a nice career at Walmart while it takes you half your life to pay that nice loan off.

Aww, aren't you cute? Jumping right into hurling insults at me.

Originally posted by The Old American

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
hi I'm ron.

if elected I will fire thousands of people, put grandma on the street, and end hope for thousands of kids to get an education

wtf ?

'

In other words:

Hi, I'm Ron.

If elected millions of people will cease to pay for the salaries of thousands, grandma will be properly taken care of by the state she lives in and not completely ignored by the federal government, and thousands of kids will get an education by teachers and educators, not bureaucrats.

/TOA

so you are for states increasing taxes to make up the difference, and for taxpayers to pay unemployment for 2 years for the laid off federal workers ? and no loan = no education by anyone

weak argument at best

reply to post by CynicalDrivel


I am NOT on 100% welfare. I have a part time job (working from home);and on disablity.I have paid into social security. I am getting my second masters in adult education so I can teach online courses. There are not enough jobs to go around so it really is a bad; wish I could say what I really want without the censors going off; time to be saying statements like these. IN a perfect world; in a utopia none of these things would be needed for survival but we will never live in Utopia because it does not exist.
I Am feed up with people putting down the POOR,DISABLED and weak. Everyone who does needs to either shut up or go do something to fix the system. It is not the poors fault so don't blame us enough said. I hope I never have to read another judgement coming from what used to be a non-judgemental site?
SIGH! It BOILS my blood!
Back to the main topic student federal loans should stay in place.

Originally posted by Pervius
Those College Educations didn't create smart people.

How many college educated people have you met that are dumb as a rock? They just bought pieces of paper saying they're smart.


Oh the stories of college educated dimwits we could create with an entire other thread.

YOU the American taxpayers over the decades have paid low income and foreigners education costs. They got their College Degree's for free. This was done to employ whitey to do the teaching.

Now that there's no one who can get a CAREER or job to pay their education costs....the whole system has fallen apart. BUT America is STILL paying 100% of the costs of low income and foreigners educations.

Why is that?

The fact that most of our politicians attended and graduated from some of the best Universities around the country, yet are still incapable of running this place properly, should be plenty of proof that a College degree doesn't equal intelligence. I know a few who didn't amount to much after they graduated from high prestige schools. There are many idiots out there with Ivy League diplomas.