New WTC 3d collapse model, page 3
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reply posted on 28-10-2011 @ 09:15 PM by bottleslingguy
You know how they used to say if you threw a penny off the Empire State building it would go right through your head and out your ass? Maybe not but I do, my point is imagine what a two ton steel column would do to you or a piece of concrete or marble bathroom flooring or a computer monitor or a desk or whatever else was in that building that was not a five ton steel column. The falling top of this building turned into a friggn massive chainsaw chewing, chopping, dicing, slicing, hacking, pounding, you get the picture right? Too many people wrongly think of this as two separate solid smooth objects, one falling a couple stories on top of the other perfectly flat, level, plumb, evenly across the other with all the supports lining up perfectly to resist the kinetic energy of the other, therefore the collapse needed additional explosives to remove more of the core columns so the upper building would fall at free fall speed.

My theory of how it fell goes more along the lines of what is shown in this video with two exceptions. One- the outer skin peeled away more like a banana skin in large sections and two- some of the core columns were still standing after the initial mass fell down and destroyed the structure around them. Something to keep in mind is that if there are core columns still standing after the initial collapse: one-they were not cut in half with explosives and two- nothing substantial hit them or crushed them. How is that possible if a 15 story solid mass landed on them? Wouldn't they be crushed? But if the collapse happened more like the OP's video it would be possible.

I made this video for Anok to exemplify my point about the standing core columns




reply posted on 29-10-2011 @ 02:28 AM by Varemia
reply to post by psikeyhackr



Do the spaces between core columns matter at all? I imagine that to begin impacting horizontal structures, the core would not necessarily have to travel completely onto the trusses.


reply posted on 29-10-2011 @ 10:08 AM by bottleslingguy
Originally posted by psikeyhackr
Originally posted by Varemia
Originally posted by psikeyhackr
Originally posted by Joey Canoli
Originally posted by psikeyhackr

People are saying the the floors outside the core are being sheared off


Yes.

Well, since the roof, ext columns, etc all fell as a unit, it can be reasonably assumed that it all came down together.


You have a contradiction there. If everything came down together then the core above the impact zone came down with the floors still attached in which case the core would hit the stationary core below and there would not be 15 floors shearing off floors below.

The core to core impact would have to be analyzed.

psik


What if the core from above moved into the path of the floor truss system instead? It's possible, considering the strength of the core construction.


The core was 85 feet by 135 feet. So it would have to move horizontally at least 42.5 feet for what you describe to occur. So how could that have happened without being caught on video. And where would that put the center of mass? If the center of mass moved that far why wouldn't it tilt and fall down the side.

Your attempt to come up with excuses is hilariously silly. Why don't you see the holes in your suggestions and not bother making them?

Is it that you don't care as long as you come up with something to defend your absurd conclusions?

psik
The core would only have to move a couple inches off center and at that point it would be out of alignment with everything below it and at that point all bets are off as far as what "should" happen. The core was not a solid piece of concrete and steel.


reply posted on 29-10-2011 @ 12:23 PM by psikeyhackr
Originally posted by bottleslingguy
Originally posted by psikeyhackr
Originally posted by Varemia
Originally posted by psikeyhackr
Originally posted by Joey Canoli
Originally posted by psikeyhackr

People are saying the the floors outside the core are being sheared off


Yes.

Well, since the roof, ext columns, etc all fell as a unit, it can be reasonably assumed that it all came down together.


You have a contradiction there. If everything came down together then the core above the impact zone came down with the floors still attached in which case the core would hit the stationary core below and there would not be 15 floors shearing off floors below.

The core to core impact would have to be analyzed.

psik


What if the core from above moved into the path of the floor truss system instead? It's possible, considering the strength of the core construction.


The core was 85 feet by 135 feet. So it would have to move horizontally at least 42.5 feet for what you describe to occur. So how could that have happened without being caught on video. And where would that put the center of mass? If the center of mass moved that far why wouldn't it tilt and fall down the side.

Your attempt to come up with excuses is hilariously silly. Why don't you see the holes in your suggestions and not bother making them?

Is it that you don't care as long as you come up with something to defend your absurd conclusions?

psik
The core would only have to move a couple inches off center and at that point it would be out of alignment with everything below it and at that point all bets are off as far as what "should" happen. The core was not a solid piece of concrete and steel.


WHAT?

Moving a few inches might take the columns near the top out of alignment and cause the outer edge of the core to hit truss seats on one side but the horizontal beams inside the upper and lower parts of the core would still impact each other so all of the weight of the core would not be coming down on the trusses.

psik


reply posted on 29-10-2011 @ 04:34 PM by psyop911
reply to post by Insolubrious



horse#. the upper part of the south tower, where is it?
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