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reply posted on 19-10-2011 @ 05:48 AM by roboe
reply to post by Myendica


The bin Laden flight didn't leave until the 19th/20th. There was an earlier one for some Saudi royalty, but that left on the 16th.

IIRC there was a bit of a controversy, when some Saudi royalty in Florida were ordered not to go anywhere other than by plane, but they drove up to where the Saudi flight left, and just pretended they had somehow managed to get a flight there.

ETA: As for the FBI interviewing the passengers, they interviewed those who they deemed relevant (keep in mind, OBL had something like 50-odd siblings, I doubt he was very close to all of them), but you can always second-guess if they were thorough enough, and/or if the bin Ladens who were interviewed, were truthful int heir replies.
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reply posted on 19-10-2011 @ 05:58 AM by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
>>>yawn<<<<

Wake up this mornin and another rabid truther calling everyone who doesn't believe their conspiracy theories a "troll". And then posts You Tube videos showing the same footage that everyone has seen 1000 times, out together by other conspiracy believers, as proof. Not to mention govornment links and other evidence taken completely out of context. Another dark and spooky day in Trutherville.

15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis, or came from countries on the Arabian peninsula. That's no great secret. I personally believe that Saudi Arabia did play a very major role in the attacks. They have been funding and spreading extremism for years, and our govornment has been kissing their asses and letting them get away with murder long before 9/11. Khobar bombing, USS Cole, both times the Saudis stonewalled or prevented the US from investigating deeply. And of course, because our govornment has been in bed with them due to their oil reserves and kickbacks, they did not press the issue any further.

This is why, when they 9/11 commision tried to push further, they recieved some 29 pages of blacked out documents that dealt with our relationship with Saudi Arabia. The real conspiracy here is that we defend and fund one of the worlds most brutal, oppressive, and fanatical regimes. We once sent our forces there to protect their country and its precious oil. I was stationed there myself. If people knew the true nature of our shady relations with that religo-fascist regime, there would indeed be scandal, outcry, and public rage that would make the Iran-Contra scandal look like a minor goof.

The US govornment does not want this widely known,. because it would not only make them look even more corrupt, but also weak and incompetant in our relations with this oil rich terrorist regime. I believe this relationship is part of the reason 9/11 happened like it did, and then was poorly investigated.

So to sum it all up, I do not believe the US govornment did 9/11. Members of the Saudi royal family were caught wiring funds to the 9/11 hijackers, and there's alot of blacked out documents that suggest a bigger involvement. The govornment certainly had alot more knowledge and info of the attacks prior than they claim, but after 10 years, I've seen no evidence that they directly partook.

If you want a real conspiracy, drop this nano-thermite/no planer BS, and start doing some real research into our wonderful friends, the Saudis, and the special relationship they have had with Washington for decades. What you will find are things far scarier and disturbing than controlled demolitions or missiles, or whatever nonsese you choose to believe.



reply posted on 19-10-2011 @ 07:45 AM by Varemia
reply to post by anoncoholic



I'll be the first to say, once again, that believing it was not demolition is not the same as believing that the government is innocent.

Ok, now that that is clear, again, let's move on. It would be really quite helpful if you would reference when in the extremely long videos of yours exactly where we should be watching. I happen to not have too much time to watch videos due to my classes and work schedule. If I wasn't just being forced to watch it from the beginning to locate your "smoking gun" of 9/11, then things would be a lot easier for everyone.

So, thank you for your time. If you'd like to get more specific, be my guest.


reply posted on 19-10-2011 @ 09:19 AM by anoncoholic
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
>>>yawn<<<<

Wake up this mornin and another rabid truther calling everyone who doesn't believe their conspiracy theories a "troll". And then posts You Tube videos showing the same footage that everyone has seen 1000 times, out together by other conspiracy believers, as proof. Not to mention govornment links and other evidence taken completely out of context. Another dark and spooky day in Trutherville.

15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis, or came from countries on the Arabian peninsula. That's no great secret. I personally believe that Saudi Arabia did play a very major role in the attacks. They have been funding and spreading extremism for years, and our govornment has been kissing their asses and letting them get away with murder long before 9/11. Khobar bombing, USS Cole, both times the Saudis stonewalled or prevented the US from investigating deeply. And of course, because our govornment has been in bed with them due to their oil reserves and kickbacks, they did not press the issue any further.

This is why, when they 9/11 commision tried to push further, they recieved some 29 pages of blacked out documents that dealt with our relationship with Saudi Arabia. The real conspiracy here is that we defend and fund one of the worlds most brutal, oppressive, and fanatical regimes. We once sent our forces there to protect their country and its precious oil. I was stationed there myself. If people knew the true nature of our shady relations with that religo-fascist regime, there would indeed be scandal, outcry, and public rage that would make the Iran-Contra scandal look like a minor goof.

The US govornment does not want this widely known,. because it would not only make them look even more corrupt, but also weak and incompetant in our relations with this oil rich terrorist regime. I believe this relationship is part of the reason 9/11 happened like it did, and then was poorly investigated.

So to sum it all up, I do not believe the US govornment did 9/11. Members of the Saudi royal family were caught wiring funds to the 9/11 hijackers, and there's alot of blacked out documents that suggest a bigger involvement. The govornment certainly had alot more knowledge and info of the attacks prior than they claim, but after 10 years, I've seen no evidence that they directly partook.

If you want a real conspiracy, drop this nano-thermite/no planer BS, and start doing some real research into our wonderful friends, the Saudis, and the special relationship they have had with Washington for decades. What you will find are things far scarier and disturbing than controlled demolitions or missiles, or whatever nonsese you choose to believe.


"rabid truther"

"everyone who doesn't believe their "

"And then posts You Tube videos showing the same footage that everyone has seen 1000 times" <--- funny one, after a thousand views you would have noticed it was a google video

"out together by other conspiracy believers"
CUT together? a radio broadcast that only had a commercial break cut out for brevity's sake and a video documentary that has 1010 WINS radio playing in the background time-stamping the entire footage was CUT together? Perhaps you would have preffered the "RAW" footage which is also available and I had viewed it many years ago and it is still the same outcome.

" Not to mention govornment links and other evidence taken completely out of context."
Taken out of context? Like where I posted three links to books that are non-fiction? One had a quote by a US Senator as a forward and it was taken out of context how exactly? Another is a documentary in print of the CIA and it was taken out of context too?

Yeah I would have to say you are merely demonstrating the typical tactic of trying to confuse issues with bs like USS Cole but then you probably get your distorted views from wiki instead of real world intel. So tell me, what hit the USS Cole? I know you guys love wiki for your info so instead of pasting it here why don't you compare the wiki entry with this one...

www.globalsecurity.org...

Moot point whether it was a plane or a boat but pointed out for discrepancy and veracity of wiki.

Further, the same intelligence agency that pointed at AL Queda for 911 pointed at the Cole in 2000

But you went off on a tangent and brought up things I never said and like I said in the OP it is a tactic to derail by either character assassination and goading me with name calling like "rabid truther" or make it all about me which it never was.

It is about YOU

no matter, go away as you are too ignorant of facts to discuss reality with anyway. It was you who brought thermite and no planes into this thread so why come here to spread your lies rather than address the facts I put forth?. Because like I said, it is your agenda to do so...





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reply posted on 19-10-2011 @ 09:45 AM by anoncoholic
Originally posted by Varemia
reply to
post by anoncoholic



I'll be the first to say, once again, that believing it was not demolition is not the same as believing that the government is innocent.

Ok, now that that is clear, again, let's move on. It would be really quite helpful if you would reference when in the extremely long videos of yours exactly where we should be watching. I happen to not have too much time to watch videos due to my classes and work schedule. If I wasn't just being forced to watch it from the beginning to locate your "smoking gun" of 9/11, then things would be a lot easier for everyone.

So, thank you for your time. If you'd like to get more specific, be my guest.


oh where do I start?

Try 24 seconds into the video and listen. Keep listening at 1:34, 2:20, 3:30, in fact just listen to the first five minutes or so and then when you hear the sound of explosions and the sound of the building as it comes down (9 seconds later actually) you will hear the same sound. DETONATIONS.

I explained all this in the intro, listen to it and you needn't listen for long but you have to be honest enough to actually listen to it and not merely claim you had.

Then apologize to every "truther" you so venomously put down for trying to bring you the evidence to which you refuse to address but instead imply it is too much work to listen to for five measly minutes and instead spend 20 in argument. Maybe that was a little harsh. Others here are more deserving of my hostility and yet I lump you all together just like you all lump "truthers" together like it is some form of cancer or malady that requires a cure.

There is only one cure for lies and liars, TRUTH. If it hurts then you stand on the wrong side of it.

Piss off if that is the best excuse you got for not spending that five minutes in education. Do you want me to be more clear and get right into specifics of what I am talking about? Perhaps you wrongly think I do this for my benefit and that I enjoy reliving all the lies I had been force fed through these last 10 years?

Maybe you never had it in you to seek truth out to begin with?


reply posted on 19-10-2011 @ 01:45 PM by Varemia
reply to post by anoncoholic



I've heard dozens of demolitions from various types of demolitions. The rumbling doesn't really match any of them. I think I lasted another ten minutes in that video before it just started to annoy me with its bad physics and false facts. I could go into detail, but I know for a fact that you'll ignore anything I say, so I'll just let you know, I heard the rumbling. It didn't sound like bombs to me. It would be really nice to see that video in raw format, because right now I don't know what kind of video-editing has been done regarding sound line-ups or video placement. So far, youtube has been unhelpful.


reply posted on 19-10-2011 @ 04:25 PM by KILL_DOGG
reply to post by anoncoholic



You nor I will ever be able to prove anything beyond a shadow of a doubt. It's not possible. I don't believe there's a conspiracy here beyond that our government knew this attack was imminent and did not react quickly enough to stop it. You believe otherwise and that's cool. Problem I have with your thread is that there is no PROOF in either of your videos, simply more supposition and speculation. So using the word PROOF or PROVEN in your thread title is misleading as you have provided neither.



reply posted on 19-10-2011 @ 04:57 PM by Cassius666
Originally posted by KILL_DOGG
reply to
post by anoncoholic



You nor I will ever be able to prove anything beyond a shadow of a doubt. It's not possible. I don't believe there's a conspiracy here beyond that our government knew this attack was imminent and did not react quickly enough to stop it.


Between alquaeda did it, the goverment organised and orchestrated it all and the goverment let it happen that is the most unlikely scenario.


reply posted on 19-10-2011 @ 05:16 PM by Majic
Dialing 9-11

reply to
post by anoncoholic


Please read this: Dealing with 9/11 Madness (argumentum ad hominem veritas)

Referring to members who disagree with you as "trolls" is argumentum ad hominem and itself a form of trolling.

Both are prohibited on ATS, and tend to lead away from continued membership.

Should you choose to discuss the issues politely and in accordance with the house rules, by all means please do so.

But this thread is beyond salvage as of the first post, and is therefore closed.
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