Red October 2011; OWS, A Communist Initiative- History Repeats It's Self And They're Steps Ahead O

I studied the Russian revolution both at school and out of my own initiative. After thinking about it extensively and discussing it with some guys in another thread here; Thread: George Soros' Sympathy For Wall Street Protesters I have decided to write this piece in relation to the 'Occupy Movement' and the stark correlation with the sequence of events which led to the Russian revolution and establishment of the Soviet Union.

With Barrack Obama and his socialist union connections supporting OWS as well as characters such as George Soros and other 'progressive' organisations, I have a suspicion that the red terror is not dead by a long shot. I feel that they are well aware of the political climate required for large-scale political revolution and are potentially re-creating it in this age on a global scale. Possibly this is the 'New World Order' on it's way. Not necessarily as people have predicted it but under a global socialist regime. I'm not saying it's happening tomorrow or next week but the ducks are lined up from what I can see and it is, let me stress- one potential outcome

Some of you will agree with me and see my points of view, some will chastise me and attack everything I have put forward- that's cool too, but please back your claims up with facts and evidence, as I have done.

As the old saying goes, 'history repeats it's self'...

Firstly, who WERE the initiators of the Russian revolution and who were the enemies of the uprising?

The initiators of the Russian revolution which gave birth to Russian Communism and subsequently, The Soviet Union were Vladimir Ilyich Lenin and Leon Trotsky at the head of the Bolshevik party, heavily influenced by the doctrine of Karl Marx.

Lenin Biography

Trotsky Biography

Marx Biography

Who were the enemies of the Bolsheviks?

The enemies of the Bolsheviks ranged from (but certainly were not limited to) the Romanovs (Russian royal family), the Russian bourgeoisie and the Church- as I see it, an amalgamation of "the 1%" referred to today by participants in the Occupy movement.

The Bolsheviks, fighting for the rights and equality of the proletariat (working class and peasants) as I see it today- 'the 99%' referred to by the Occupy movement- the unification of the majority of a populace.

Or put simply- (Adbusters) Occupy Wall Street are starkly similar to the proponents of the Russian revolution, the Bolsheviks!

Who are the enemies of the Occupy movement?

The "1%" All inclusive of what today is;

The Bourgeoisie- Wall Street bankers, financiers, stock market executives/traders etc.
The Romanovs- The whole of government. The governing power in peoples lives.
The Church- I realise there is no direct protest against any religious organisation but as we know..there are plenty of religious string pullers and lobbyists in the mix. One might accurately compare the church of Czarist Russia to the multinational corporations today who strongly influence governmental decision making processes (see; Grigori Rasputin a Russian Orthodox monk with considerable influence over the Romanov's who I liken to multi-national corporations influencing government ) and seen as money has become a deity to most humans- these guys can be seen as priests then I guess! back to business..

Czar Nicholay's Abdication Of The Throne

Russia believed he lacked the qualities of a leader, and many of the people were poor and hungry and blamed him. the turmoil of the country was on Nicholas's shoulders.

The October Revolution in Petrograd overthrew the Russian Provisional Government and gave the power to the local soviets dominated by Bolsheviks. As the revolution was not universally recognized outside of Petrograd there followed the struggles of the Russian Civil War (1917–1922) and the creation of the Soviet Union in 1922. The revolution was led by the Bolsheviks, who used their influence in the Petrograd Soviet to organize the armed forces. Bolshevik Red Guards forces under the Military Revolutionary Committee began the takeover of government buildings on 24 October 1917 (O.S.). The following day, the Winter Palace (the seat of the Provisional government located in Petrograd, then capital of Russia), was captured.

If we view Czar Nicholay as the embodiment of the current system of government and mulitnational corporations, banksters etc. as in my earlier comparison, then each one of these points is accurate and relative with current day concerns.

-We the people believe that our current governments lack the qualities of leaders
-Many of the people are poor and hungry
-The turmoil of the globe is on their (remember, the 1%'s) shoulders
-"They" rule "us"

Ultimately, the Czar abdicated because he had to. WW1 had caused an incredible loss of Russian lives and a food shortage. He was forced to abdicate by the Duma (Russian Parliament)- the weakening power of the Czar and failure in WW1 were the catalysts Lenin required for his revolution.

So, the prayers of the Russian people were answered and a new government was hence established. The equal re-distribution of wealth was taking place and people were happy (generally speaking).

The country seemed to be prospering under it's new doctrine however, it proved aparrent who was really prospering from the revolution and communism, although hindsight does give us 20/20 vision and living in those days in Russia is something we can hardly fathom.

Lenin's 'New Economic Policy' (NEP) The Birth Of Fresh Corruptionwikipedia; New Economic Policy

"One step backwards for a greater leap forward"- Lenin regarding the NEP

Lenin's New Economic Policy was promulgated on the 21st of March, 1921. Four years after the Bolshevik's seized power. With his NEP Lenin implemented elements of the old, capitalist ways of Czarist Russia doing the old political 'flip-flop'.

The NEP restored some prosperity to Russia . But to many of us this prosperity was distasteful... We felt ourselves sinking into the bog, paralysed, corrupted... There was gambling, drunkenness, and all the filth of former times. Classes were reborn in front of our very eyes.. Victor Serge, From Lenin to Stalin (1937) Serge was a Bolshevik, remembering the NEP

What all of this suggests to me in relation to what is happening now is;

A) When an organisation is looking to radically change the system of government and the economy- question their motives, what's in it for them?

B) Once in power, those who wield it are prone to corruption

I think we all know the story of Russia from here but if not see; wikipedia; Soviet Russia.

For those of us that know of the absolute deterioration of the USSR and the appalling conditions in which the people existed (for the ones not victim of any of the wide-scale massacres and famines) then we assume that perhaps the people of the USSR were better off under the previous system?

Not for me. From where I stand, what needs to happen is beyond the political constraints and boundaries of ‘left’ or ‘right’. I don’t proclaim to have the answer but nothing we have tried thus far has worked.

For you guys protesting for the right reasons- bless you! May you be safe from any harm, just keep an open mind or as I have learnt in life trust no one!

Articles Of Interest:
George Soros Funding Adbusters
More Of Soros Funding Adbusters
Socialism, Communism, Marxism & Obama
Obama Is Playing A Very Dangerous Game Supporting OWS- Business Insider
Will Julia Gillard's Past Cause Red Faces? Yep, my own PM is a communist too.

And just to get you tinfoil hat wearers onside I have devised this simple calculation proving that this is indeed a chess move by the illuminati.
You see there is a 94 year gap between THIS October and that of Russia’s infamous revolution in 1917.
Take the 9..add 4 and we get? 13! Yes, 13! The signature number of the illuminati!

P.S I was going to use this formula to make a hoax thread and instead started typing this actual one and have also stayed behind an hour at work to complete it.

Peace

It is also a similar situation to Rockefeller sponsoring Trotsky and Lenin's Bolshevik Revolution as he saw in it the possibility of having a government as a monopoly in control of all facets of society, politics and economy.
This time we have Goldman Sachs.

BTW - have you Read "Rasputin, The Last Word" by Edvard Radzinsky?
Excellent book which focuses mostly on the Romanovs at an extremely personal level. Without doubt, it's the definitive work on the subject

reply to post by Aestheteka


Spot on mate! There's plenty I was going to add but decided to restrict it less I sit here typing for the next 5 days

ETA: I didn't want to include any racial conspiracy but Lenin, Trotsky and Marx were all Jews funded by Jews. Infact most of the higher ups in the Communist party were and Trotsky was born in Ukraine with the surname Bronstein which the Russian people weren't aware of which is an Ashkenazi name.

reply to post by Pirateofpsychonautics


It's a shame nobody read my thread from yesterday - Reuters Anaylsis
Government think tanks are predicting a possible idealogue as the similarities to the 1930s are striking.
Personally, I see two possible candidates for a new Hitler/Lenin/Trotsky etc - Julian Assange or Ron Paul. We've been primed to accept them as the underdog striving to help humanity yet both are backed by Big Money (Assange is being housed by some very wealthy people (much like Lenin and Trotsky were in Switzerland and NY before Rockefeller gave them the go-ahead) and Ron Paul is a long-time part of the system).
Before the ignorant start screaming in Ron Paul's defence it would be wise to learn about on just what platform the great 20th Century dictators rose to pwer. They were the saviours of the people. At least for a while, anyway....

I'm not sure the protesters are the key here. Merely pawns in the chess game. They will be sacrificed whether protesting for the right reasons or not.

In the end I believe any potential American Bolshevik revolution would be far more bloody than can be quantified in a mere post.

You have to understand that part of the US Military's duty is to protect the nation(preserve the Union and Constitution of the United States) from all enemies foreign and domestic. And that insurrection is seen by Constitutional law as a threat to the peace of the Union.

Case in point:

Article 1 Section 8:

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union,
suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

Also The Insurrection Act of 1807
en.wikipedia.org...

The Insurrection Act of 1807 is the set of laws that govern the US President's ability to deploy troops within the United States to put down lawlessness, insurrection and rebellion. The laws are chiefly contained in 10 U.S.C. § 331 - 10 U.S.C. § 335. The general aim is to limit Presidential power as much as possible, relying on state and local governments for initial response in the event of insurrection. Coupled with the Posse Comitatus Act, Presidential powers for law enforcement are limited and delayed.

However:

On September 30, 2006, the Congress modified the Insurrection Act as part of the 2007 Defense Authorization Bill (repealed as of 2008). Section 1076 of the law changed Sec. 333 of the "Insurrection Act," and widened the President's ability to deploy troops within the United States to enforce the laws. Under this act, the President may also deploy troops as a police force during a natural disaster, epidemic, serious public health emergency, terrorist attack, or other condition, when the President determines that the authorities of the state are incapable of maintaining public order. The bill also modified Sec. 334 of the Insurrection Act, giving the President authority to order the dispersal of either insurgents or "those obstructing the enforcement of the laws." The law changed the name of the chapter from "Insurrection" to "Enforcement of the Laws to Restore Public Order."

This is why I believe we should be extremely careful in calls for revolution in the United States. For one I am against revolution of any kind as I believe our problems can be remedied without destroying each other. Something I should add:

Since May 19th of 2011 I have been a PVT in the US Army. The LAST thing I want is to be deployed here to suppress an ill-conceived revolution against fellow Americans. So people, think REALLY HARD about what is going on and what the consequences might be. Because I will do my duty in the interest of preserving the Republic.

My Oath:

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

Soldier's Creed:

I am an American Soldier.

I am a warrior and a member of a team.

I serve the people of the United States, and live the Army Values.

I will always place the mission first.

I will never accept defeat.

I will never quit.

I will never leave a fallen comrade.

I am disciplined, physically and mentally tough, trained and proficient in my warrior tasks and drills.

I always maintain my arms, my equipment and myself.

I am an expert and I am a professional.

I stand ready to deploy, engage, and destroy, the enemies of the United States of America in close combat.

I am a guardian of freedom and the American way of life.

I am an American Soldier.

reply to post by projectvxn


I don't think the protectors are key either but they are a personification of 'the people's sentiments and views as to how things are..for my money- avoid 'revolution'.

reply to post by Pirateofpsychonautics


There's been a lot of talk of Revolution.

From the left and the right.

I hope people understand what I and every other service member is sworn to do.

It isn't a damned game, it is real and it is DANGEROUS.

I should also add this:



While I highly doubt the US Army is training to take on the Tea Party. Many right wing armed groups should also note that starting some kind of right wing revolution is also NOT a good idea. Using the Constitution as an excuse to kill your fellow Americans also falls under the Insurrection clause.

Use the system. Don't try to destroy it.

reply to post by projectvxn


You do know that #Occupy is not all communists. Nor is it a political party like republicans or democrats. You've continually gone out of your way to prove that this is just a mindless rabble of commy hippies when the long and skinny of it is that: NO IT IS NOT.

Commies have a right to be heard, too. Same as you, myself, and that guy in the corner over there.

It's about reform. Tax the very very top earners the same as you would tax the lowliest working man. Soros is a POS. That guy got rich off of making the British pound weak. He hasn't contributed anything to society except an agenda. F him.

I'm curious as to why you would choose to support a faction (the 1%) that cares so little for the well being of anyone but themselves? I'm not saying strip their wealth from them and redistribute it. What I am saying is hold them accountable for what they owe, hold them accountable for their crimes, and lets move on with the evolution of man.

End the FED. I think that is something that should be very easy for the tax paying Americans to get behind. You thought Income tax went to a worthy cause? Sorry but no, you are mistaken if you believe that. you thought paper money was worth something? sorry again.

MORE JOBS. You know, most of the occupiers probably wouldn't have enough time to occupy if they all had full time good paying jobs with fair benefits, including health care, and maybe dental? Is that really too much to ask, or would you prefer the average American worker get screwed out of his right to live a healthy productive life?

Any way, I support your right to have your opinions, but it seems to me like your angry about commies, when in fact #Occupy is not communist. It is normal people, just like the rest of us. Some work some don't. Some share political or spiritual ideals, some don't. Some are educated, some are not. The common thread here is that all have chosen to stand up and say "this crap is messed up". Why should we stand by and watch people perform crimes right in front of the whole worlds eyes? Why should the top tier get away with fraud, and economic rape? THEY WON'T.

So take a nicotine break, projectvxn. Get back in touch with your peers. It's not all black and white. And it;s definitely not all red. This isn't the McCarthy era man. Communists are people too. Just because there may be some floating around at street protests doesn't mean there going to be bombing the country. The iron curtain has fallen, There is no more Red October, dude. It's time to calm down about people with different ideals than your own. Communists are not who you should be worried about.

reply to post by projectvxn


Americans don't seem to get that the people are not and have never been in charge. The military will be used to put down any insurrection. Citizens have this bizarre idea that the military, and police force, is funded by the people - just because you are taxed doesn't mean to say you have any right to comment on how your money is pent. Look at medieval tithing.
The easiset way of looking at the tax system is by comparing the government (not the one you think you elect but the power players who actually own and run your country) to the mafia. Your tax is basically protection money. Until you can form a large enough rival mafia to oust the current one, you are nothing more than an atom in a limb. They even gave you a number . Your entire lives are centered around making money and while you are trapped in that cycle you are so far below the power players that you are utterly insignificant. If you want to know who owns your country then look for the peopl ewho are ABOVE money. These people PRINT money. Money is just a means of controlling a populace - Who owns the Fed?
Think of it like the old credit system for privately owned mining communities in early American history. People worked and lived in pre-built settlemets and were paid in chits which could be redeemed at the local store. They paid rent on their housing. The chits, the store, the housing, everything was owned by the owner of the mine. These people were utterly trapped in a system they couldn't escape as the only money they had was limited to their environs. They were slaves. Now increase the scale of that system to a nation, the US for example. It's still the same. What about currency trading and travel, you ask? It's an agreement between a few people-owners to allow their peons the belief that they have value.
Even buying property or land is pointless as it's not yours. You're only a tenant. The government can confiscate it at any point it wishes.
The illusion goes much deeper than the vast majority know and most people, sadly, have no wish to know. They wish to avoid such problems.

Originally posted by projectvxn
I'm not sure the protesters are the key here. Merely pawns in the chess game. They will be sacrificed whether protesting for the right reasons or not.

My life is no game of chess. The second half of that statement doesn't make much sense. I've sat here and read it over a few times and can't figure out what your trying to say...

The only sacrifices being made are personal ones. If you're insinuating that the government is some how going to sacrifice us, than you are sadly, sadly mistaken. How are we the pawns? Aren't you the PVT in the Army? You realize that your CO's could have you doing the most in-humane crap possible in a moments notice and all you can say is 'yes sir,'? But we're the pawns... right.

reply to post by projectvxn


Troops have been called in on past occasions.

one incident in 1932......Army called in against WW1 vets.
en.wikipedia.org...


some more in this older thread:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Yes, some were National Guard.

With municipal resources getting thinner by the day, and police forces being reduced, the Feds will use N.G. and even regular active duty personnel when and if needed as the laws point to.

Proceed with extreme caution.

I actually witnessed some of this:




ETA: goto 5:00 into the video and can someone tell me those patches are Illinois National Guard, or regular Army ?

The naration also mentions Federal Troops were there with the N.G.

reply to post by W3RLIED2

You do know that #Occupy is not all communists. Nor is it a political party like republicans or democrats. You've continually gone out of your way to prove that this is just a mindless rabble of commy hippies when the long and skinny of it is that: NO IT IS NOT.

The Russian Revolution "only had a few" to start with too !

History's warnings should be as just THAT.....a warning.

The "commies" as we have seen enough times since then are only in it for the money.

The muney mungers use different names at different times.

Each "revolution" was Financied by somebody.......each time by banker backed groups.

Each time the results were total exploitation of resources and wealth.

Each time all the wealth was transferred out of country.

Sound familiar? (as in "US Treasury" sending all money to bank bailouts) (as in "Looting")

OWS needs to keep this in mind.

The OP is presenting some alarming parallels within the last 100 years.

Proceed with extreme caution....for your own good.

Good Luck with the efforts, but don't get sucked in to the "Stockholm Effects" that are being instilled as we speak !!

reply to post by projectvxn


I'm sorry. Good topic and all, and I wholeheartedly agree, but I have to comment on this statement.

I hope people understand what I and every other service member is sworn to do.

It isn't a damned game, it is real and it is DANGEROUS.

If soldiers were truly serious about their Oath, as some so truly are - there would be a military coup in the United States tomorrow. The Constitution is dead in the hands of current government, so should the military stand up against the revolution to restore Constitutional liberty to this land, you will be standing against that oath you hold so dear.

Remember that when you are given your orders.

Some scholars think The October Manifesto of 1905 by Tsar Nicholas II was a preliminary set up for the 1917 "revolution"...TPTB were busy back then too

The October Manifesto (Russian: Октябрьский манифест, Манифест 17 октября) was issued on 17 October, 1905 (30 October in the Gregorian calendar) by Tsar Nicholas II of Russia under the influence of Count Sergei Witte as a response to the Russian Revolution of 1905.

The official name of the document is The Manifesto on the Improvement of the State Order (Манифест об усовершенствовании государственного порядка). The manifesto addressed the unrest in Russia and pledged to grant civil liberties to the people: including personal immunity, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, and freedom of association; a broad participation in the Duma; introduction of universal male suffrage, uncensored newspapers and a decree that no law should come into force without the consent of the state Duma.

The manifesto was a precursor of the first ever Russian Constitution.

The manifesto and the constitution resulted in insignificant democratization as the Tsar continued to exercise veto power over the Duma, which he dissolved and reformed several times.


Opposition

The October Manifesto divided opposition to Tsar Nicholas II. It was issued on 30 October 1905, during the '1905 Revolution.' The Kadets were appeased by the idea of having freedom of speech and a truly representative government, and the Union of October 17 or more informally Octobrist Party took their name from this manifesto. However, the Marxists maintained that Nicholas had really only made a small concession. The Duma was only a shell of democracy as it could not pass laws without the approval of the Tsar and freedom of speech was heavily regulated. Nicholas II demonstrated his hold on power by dismissing the first and second Duma

en.wikipedia.org...

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Rise of terrorism

The years 1904 and 1907 were a time of decline for the mass movements, such as strikes and political demonstrations, but also a time of rising political terrorism. SR Combat Organization and other combat groups carried out numerous assassinations targeting civil servants and police, and robberies. Between 1906 and 1909, revolutionaries killed 7,293 people, of whom 2,640 were officials, and wounded 8,061.[10]

Notable victims of assassins included:

Dmitry Sipyagin – Minister of Interior. Killed 15 April [O.S. 2 April] 1902 in Saint Petersburg.
Nikolai Bobrikov – Governor-General of Finland. Killed 30 June [O.S. 17 June] 1904 in Helsinki.
Vyacheslav von Plehve – Minister of Interior. Killed 10 August [O.S. 28 July] 1904 in Saint Petersburg.
Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich of Russia – Killed 17 February [O.S. 4 February] 1905 in Moscow.
Eliel Soisalon-Soininen – Chancellor of Justice of Finland. Killed 19 February [O.S. 6 February] 1905 in Helsinki.
Victor Sakharov – former war minister. Killed 5 December [O.S. 22 November] 1905.
Admiral Chukhnin – the Black Sea Fleet commander. Killed 24 July [O.S. 11 July] 1906.
Aleksey Ignatyev – Killed 22 December [O.S. 9 December] 1906.

They set the stage...

reply to post by gwydionblack


BS.

Our job isn't to stomp around this country when the political winds are unfavorable to one group of people or another. The power is vested entirely on the people. If you can't think of anyway other than kill other people to get your way then you're nothing but a worthless criminal murderer. Not all revolution, no matter how much you wanna use the Constitution as an excuse to murder, is legitimate. You might wanna remember that.

The Constitution isn't a menu. It's the Supreme Law of the Land. Something you revolution fetishists are gonna have to get used to. I can't just pick and choose which articles of it I will follow and which ones I won't. I have to take all of it, what about that don't you understand? How does that violate my oath of fidelity to the Constitution? Some of you right wingers are just as bad as the left wingers. You're the fringe. A group of people who can't stand the fact that sometimes YOU DON'T GET YOUR WAY.

I'm sorry you're such a defeatist that the only thing you can think of to effect any change in this world is the muzzle of an gun.

Personally I have nothing against a socialist government run by controlled capitalism incomes.

The thing is, people put money higher in their lives then duty, honor and working for the community. The whole system is made to individualize us and to shape our values to thinking our individuality is he most important thing.

The easiest way to make others think your happy?
To make more money, that's exactly how they want us to think.

A plumper making a great job is worth more then a doctor not giving his 100%. I might has never made 50$ an hour, but I take pride in what I do.
What I do, I do it well. I do it for my values. I hope that I will also make people around me understand that nothing you do should be taken lightly.
Grace and beauty is built one brick at a time, nothing is not important enough to not give our 100%.

Communism was taking it a bit too far because, well it's flawed to a couple points including...

Originally posted by PirateofpsychonauticsB)
Once in power, those who wield it are prone to corruption

If we could see in people hearts, we might find who can not be corrupted.
If I was a leader for the people, I would never let myself corrupted for my individual needs. NEVER.

Representing the people is not something to play around with, it is a never ending duty for what is right for the people. Never backing down from that value, no personnel wealth will ever be worth more then this honor.

reply to post by W3RLIED2


War, generally speaking is inhumane.

I signed up for the job knowing that.


Since you can't wrap your head around my first sentence, let me help you:

1. You don't need to be a communist to be used by communists and this is the core theme of my opposition to OWS.

2. During the Boshevik revolution the commies numbered maybe in the hundreds, perhaps a thousand. But they sure managed to seize power.

3. Do you really think every Russian at the time woke up one morning and decided they were commies and simply started grabbing guns to fight in the revolution? No. They were lied to.

Originally posted by projectvxn
The Constitution isn't a menu. It's the Supreme Law of the Land. Something you revolution fetishists are gonna have to get used to.

I think a new world order is impossible to work. Nope.
We need to split the world in 2 regions.

In the smallest region, every right-wing extremists go there since they all tend to agree to each other so easily.
And in the other large region, the rest of the people.
Sure the leftists will rarely agree on anything...well anything else then not understanding right wing extremists values.