Rupert Murdoch Uses His Media Empire to Declare War On Occupy Wall Street!, page 3

reply to post by impressme

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This whole defense of OWS seems amazingly hypocritical to me. I was one of a tiny handful of people attempting to defend the tea party before they were hijacked and then smeared into submission by the media. But now that the same exact thing is happening to OWS people on ATS are coming to their defense. Thats good. But I want to know where they were back when the Tea Party was getting hijacked and smeared in the same exact way. They were also a wide swath of different people with a long list of complains about the government.

The difference between OWS and TP is their solutions. OWS has something ranging from no solutions to using the force of government to force positive change whether or not people agree (yes I am biased against that), while the Tea Party believes the solution is to bring back government spending from tyranny levels of 46% of GDP to something close to free-market levels.

Since those solutions are basically in opposition, I don't see how TP protesters could ever get along with OSW protesters, except on one issue which is ethical shopping practices. For example the Tea Party people could attend an OSW rally to encourage alternatives to shopping with US dollars. The OSW protesters could attend a Tea Party rally and encourage the fair trade label.

reply to post by seachange

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Well, for one the Tea Party was a political organisation. I have yet to see any kind of political party come out of the whole OWS thing so maybe that is a difference. They seem to be apolitical or maybe even meta-political. No mainstream party anywhere seems to be trying to advance anything close to these people. Incoherent, quite possibly. No real message wrapped up in a nice media ribbon, also possibly true. I think this thing is going further than just a simple and single political party. At least I hope so. It is time for real change, and no jingles.

PS Rupert Murdoch was more or less forced to close a newspaper in the UK recently due to the so-called phone hacking scandal. Of course no one knew anything about it (2 mysteriously died in the process of the Parliamentary inquest or whatever they called it) and nobody got prosecuted. I'm just sayin'...

edit on 13/10/11 by LightSpeedDriver because: Added a PS

Originally posted by UnrelentingLurker
its funny how everymedia organization ignored ows, now it seems they are all fighting over coverage.

same thing happened to the tea party.

Divide and conquer anyone?

Divide and Conquer indeed. You're absolutely correct, UL.
To plug my own writing seems shameless, however necessary to help illustrate your point.

Communists. Socialists. Fascists.
Mere words used to divide people, to invoke fear, and by their very design, created to incite violence. The Media are trained to use key words to spark emotion in the masses. You’ve been trained like dogs to roll over or attack on command. Words are their weapons, and this Media Empire is tactically taking advantage of people’s fears to weaken the Cause; fears they’ve instilled in you to a slow boil over generations. You’ve been trained to believe there exists a left and right political movement in this country, and you believe this so much that you have built Democratic and Republican agendas all on your own to suit these labels, and have even sparked Centrist movements to appease the rest. All of this is a farce. There exist only Inalienable Human Right, and these rights are being erased by these elites. Rights people are willfully surrendering because they are too afraid to fight back.

~Fugitive Soul

The absurd part of this entire farce is that the ruse has become blatant. Case in point.

MSNBC's 'The Ed Show'

"One must first learn the rules of the game before sitting down to play a hand."

Originally posted by LightSpeedDriver
reply to post by seachange

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Well, for one the Tea Party was a political organisation. I have yet to see any kind of political party come out of the whole OWS thing so maybe that is a difference. They seem to be apolitical or maybe even meta-political.

People are awakening to the truth that party affiliation is part of the lie that has been fed to the masses for generations. There is no such thing as Left and Right. Only Right and Wrong. Moral and Immoral.

Originally posted by LightSpeedDriver
reply to post by seachange

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PS Rupert Murdoch was more or less forced to close a newspaper in the UK recently due to the so-called phone hacking scandal. Of course no one knew anything about it (2 mysteriously died in the process of the Parliamentary inquest or whatever they called it) and nobody got prosecuted. I'm just sayin'...

edit on 13/10/11 by LightSpeedDriver because: Added a PS

2? Know of one, and that most definitely was a suicide.
www.guardian.co.uk...
(Mind you i said "most")
Who is the other one?
(And james will be back before the comission)

Of course interestingly enough, another senior head in newscorpse rolled just recently:
www.guardian.co.uk...

Originally posted by narwahl

Originally posted by LightSpeedDriver
reply to post by seachange

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PS Rupert Murdoch was more or less forced to close a newspaper in the UK recently due to the so-called phone hacking scandal. Of course no one knew anything about it (2 mysteriously died in the process of the Parliamentary inquest or whatever they called it) and nobody got prosecuted. I'm just sayin'...

edit on 13/10/11 by LightSpeedDriver because: Added a PS

2? Know of one, and that most definitely was a suicide.
www.guardian.co.uk...
(Mind you i said "most")
Who is the other one?
(And james will be back before the comission)

Of course interestingly enough, another senior head in newscorpse rolled just recently:
www.guardian.co.uk...

I have to bump myself here, because my jaw just dropped.
I read about the resignation of Langhoff (Publisher WSJ Europe) 2 days ago, and then it sounded like your basic "You give us money, we write about you", which is bad, but happens rather frequently in one form or another in publishing.
Looking for a source I found that guardian article from yesterday, and posted it without reading it.
Now I read it

Seriously, read it!
This passage got me most:

In early 2010 the scheme began to run into trouble when the biggest single sponsor, a Dutch company called Executive Learning Partnership, ELP, threatened to back out. ELP alone were responsible for 16% of the Journal's European circulation, sponsoring 12,000 copies a day for which they were paying only 1¢ per copy. For the 259 publishing days in a year, they were sponsoring 3.1m copies at a cost to them of €31,080 (£27,200). They complained that the publicity they were receiving was not enough return on their investment.

When I was working in publishing 10 years ago 30000 € was very little money! That might buy you 5-6 backside or inside cover full page ads, in a local magazine (depending on target group) I am aware that print ad prices have declined since then, but still.... 30k for editorial coverage not worth it???

reply to post by impressme

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You know what the screwed up thing is? ~90% of ATS members read this and think "What a load of garbage propaganda", but probably ~90% of people who watch Fox News sit at home thinking "Wow, those hippie anarchist druggie criminals are crazy!". Some of them are on this very site!

Sure, there are some scumbags that go to these protests, we had one guy over at occupykc who jumped in front of a local news station camera and flipped it off while they were covering the protests live. But that doesn't mean every person is like that, and it's sickening that the lamestream media only looks at the 1 in 200 protesters who aren't really there to try and help this country out, and portrays the protests as cesspits of criminal activity.

And they act like it's a narcotic swap shop in that article, but like muzzleflash talked about, it's clear disinformation. Heroin is cheaper than pot? That's some sloppy propaganda. I'm no drug aficionado, but I can tell you they have their "facts" mixed up. Also, while this isn't indicative of every occupy protest, but the one where I'm at has signs all over the place saying "NO ALCOHOL OR ILLEGAL DRUGS!", so this isn't some drug infested hippie convention.

What say you, occupy wall street protesters? Fox News lies

reply to post by impressme

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Actually I have come to believe we are the 98%. There are the Banksters and their cronies. There are the morons in the street who have no idea nor care what is actually going on. Then us the other 98%. To ever be taken seriously we have to find someway of getting them off the streets. It is becoming ovbious this is just a dog and pony show with the same actors in place. Soros, Mudock, Koch brothers, the propagnada machine, CIA sponsored Ivan Marovic. The entire 2 % need to rounded up and sent to Florida where they are talking about bringing back the firing squad.

reply to post by muzzleflash

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Of course they could be selling an unknown amount for $15. Probably a gram of something overpriced.
Judging the street cred of the story isn't a compelling argument.

reply to post by TupacShakur

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Hold up a minute.
Where are they getting all them expensive Salmon dinners from? The same people could be sponsoring the drugs. Just tlike the government subsidizes our oil to keep the price down at the pump.
Totally believable, because it is a fact somebody is paying. If they were buying food with just street donations they would be eating hotdogs down there.

reply to post by TinfoilTP

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Where are they getting all them expensive Salmon dinners from? The same people could be sponsoring the drugs.

Evil Knievel couldn't even make a leap as big as the one you just did. That's some flawed logic you're using there, try to formulate a better argument and get back to me.

Totally believable, because it is a fact somebody is paying. If they were buying food with just street donations they would be eating hotdogs down there.

Right, somebody's paying for food and bottled water, and the next thing thing you know, they're handing out syringes. That's totally believable.....is what I would say if I was living in the Land of Oz.

I guess there is a new loosely linked media empire going after Occupy Wall Street. Seems they have a hacker like Murdoch. Could this lead to more investigations of hacking by conservative news outlets?

Here we have the corporate hacking company for hire. Provide Security.

www.providesecurity.com...

Heres the employee whos doing it. Thomas Ryan.

www.linkedin.com...

And heres the Conserative news paper who is paying Provide Security as a consultant.(Since when did consulting agency mean hacker for hire?) The Washington Times. And don't forget they were started as a news paper to fight those evil commies.

en.wikipedia.org...-Washington_Post-0

www.washingtonpost.com...

And then they have blogger to release things they feel would be to dirty for thier hands. (Like dirty pictures of Anthony Weiner which was investigated for hacking?) Andrew Breitbart and his blog Big Government.

biggovernment.com...

So what is that they did? They hacked just about every union and left wing leader there is and released all thier emails. They say they were targeting the leadership behind Occupy Wall Street. (I have not looked to see what was released.)

biggovernment.com... s/

If you notice that it was released by Thomas Ryan of Provide Security. And he works for Washington Times as you can see in this article about hacking the phones of celebrities. Could that be because they think the celebrities are commies? I know they think that of Sean Penn because he spoke out against the right wing war in Iraq. Sounds like the Nixon years all over. Oh wait thats right most of Nixons administration was brought in with Bush. Rumsfeld and Cheney both came straight out of the Nixon White House.

www.washingtontimes.com...

This thread I made a while ago seems to become more true as time goes on. But I do need to make part two to show how its being fought against and how the left seem to be trying to create the same machine. Thats why I like the 99% as long as they go after both sides.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by narwahl

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Sorry, I read it a while back and had to google to find another source. Apparently the 2nd to die was Big George Webley
Source: Source

PS The other guy's death has been officially classed as "unexplained, but not suspicious". Seems kinda contradictory to me but then I have little knowledge of LEO terminology.

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