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posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by Evolutionsend
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The American people can't be bought. I'm sorry if you have such a low opinion of us, but honestly, if we're all whining babies, LEAVE.


cant be bought? you have time and time agian social security,medicare,medicaid and everything else.

thing is most people sold themselves short.




posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:00 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

You know what kills me about this topic.
These same guys you’re defending, are the ones who engineered this whole crisis, used it as an excuse to steal even more of our money in a fraudulent way that would have landed anyone else in prison, then told us we had to tighten our belts. God forbid should we ask them to pay their fair share back, and tighten their own belts for awhile… Personally, I think a bunch of them should be prosecuted and put in prison, but we all know that will never happen as they own the politicians.

Not that most of them have been paying anything all along anyway.
You mention how these guys provide for our economy, yet how about the number of large corporations who COST the us billions a year in public services, that they don’t even pay for? Just a single WalMart store alone has been calculated to cost the US tax payers over $400K in public services, not even including the huge tax breaks that they demand when they open a new store, yet they pay next to NOTHING in taxes.

Why anyone would even consider defending their actions, boggles my mind.

You want to fix things, start off with making it illegal to lobby and for corporate campaign contributions.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:00 PM
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reply to post by neo96
 


Older people can, because they have no real options because they mostly lack the funds. Young and able bodied have no excuse for being bought really. Things like OWS make them harder to buy.
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posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by Evolutionsend
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What I told you, was truth. There hasn't been an American dream since corporations took over America.
It isn't something that's aimed at immigrants specifically, that was a joke. If you can't stand a little humor, then don't talk to me. It's a package of bull# that they've been feeding us for the last 30 years, before that, it was actually true!

My family has also been here for a very long time, we worked to build this country. Who are you to throw stones at other Americans, because they see things differently than you? You talk about being an immigrant and a soldier as some kind of badge of honor. It's not. We've all had hard lives, and those that haven't probably aren't even in a thread like this.

You've been all over these forums calling people communists, and socialists, just because they don't agree with you. I've had my fill, son. Learn some respect.
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the day the american dreamed died was when they saw that they could vote themselves money which just so happens to meant the death of the republic and that has led to tyranny in this land.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:04 PM
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Hippies and Protesters from the 60's are today's Conservatives. Turns out they were right about a lot of things. At least they are doing something. They aren't in Mom's basement eating cheetos any longer. They are involved.


The left marched with a cross-section of American society from priests to mourning mothers, from hippies to veterans. In doing so, it earned credibility



There is yet another reason to refrain from derision; protesters have been maced, beaten, and arrested by the police for peacefully exercising their right to free assembly and free speech. The content of their speech is secondary to their right to speak out. “I disapprove of what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it” is famously attributed to Voltaire. Libertarians who put their disapproval first and foremost are missing the proper emphasis.



Demonstrators are being met with police brutality and arrest. They are also being contemptuously dismissed by the mainstream media and by most libertarians.

The contempt revolves around the perceived message. Yet there is a multitude of messages

Freemanonline

Oathkeepers support OWS, Michael Moore does not speak for OWS.

Oath Keepers sees good reason to stand in the streets with these awakening souls and protect their right to free speech, to peacefully assemble, and to redress their grievances to their government, as the Constitution prescribes for all Americans. That is one thing. Another facet of our initiative is to use these public gatherings to reach and teach many who now hunger for the truth – we can show them how the Constitution will protect them better than an oversized, bloated Federal behemoth hell-bent on controlling every aspect of each citizen’s life.


Official OWS Twitter supports Ron Paul.

Both Liberals and Conservatives Hate Corporate Socialism (Where the Federal Government Favors Giant Corporations at the Expense of the Little Guy)




posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:04 PM
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no they just want their free healthcare and free education in addition to their government pensions and oh yeah saving the planet.
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posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:07 PM
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When you have the courage and dedication to do as they're doing, and stand up for what you believe in, you can sling mud at them. They're doing more for this country right now than you are. Yes, they're doing more than one young soldier, that's on ATS.
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posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:08 PM
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That's my point, the government can hold something over them. Is it a coincidence that the politicians supporting things that appeal to older people, are also supporting outlandish manure that makes a young person's stomach turn? I think not!



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:14 PM
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and in a constitutional republic the people hold government accountable,

that constitition protected the people from the government and protects them from themselves.

its a beautiful setup that has been bastardize by what you said "people cant be bought" when they have.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:16 PM
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Why, after everything you've seen me post, do you accuse me of supporting corporate socialism?

What is it with you people?

I disagree with the anti-capitalist stance of the mob that occupies several cities across the country and somehow I'm a shill for the object of your hatred?


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posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:18 PM
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I'm not so sure that we've been bought, we've just been more accepting to BS in the last 30 or so years. There was a time when the people stood up, that time appears to be returning. That's good imo, no matter who is reviving the idea that you CAN take action.

I still think that the average American believes in that which is right just and true. So many people are put off by labels, propaganda, advertising, and a lack of options, that they're not or weren't willing to do it anymore.

When someone sits around and attacks these various protests, because there is more than one now, it puts everyone off to the idea yet again.
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posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:20 PM
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I oppose them because of who they stand with.

They're dumb enough to be used by leftists and have no direction other than to sit there and denounce capitalism.

No clear message. Just anger. No solutions, just anger.

And no, the hippies of the 60s are the ones who called US troops baby killers instead of holding their government accountable.

The hippies of the 60s are people like Bill Ayers and the leftists that Obama holds in high regard. They are the ones who wanted to start a communist revolution by doing things like bombing the Pentagon.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:23 PM
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Then why don't you go to Wall street and inform them! Better yet, you're an ex-business owner, a soldier, why don't you lead them? I'm sure you have some leadership abilities, right? Just do everyone a favor and don't turn it into a commy witch hunt.

btw, some of those hippies, were ex servicemen. Vietnam was an ugly war, and there were many civilian deaths.
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posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:29 PM
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alright if you say so if you really wanna stick to all those evil rich greedy people


START BUYING LOCALLY INSTEAD OF GLOBALLY and stck it to em and bring them to their knees.

stomping your feet throwing a tizzy isnt going to accomplish a damn thing there you go.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:30 PM
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Sure, you pick out the most radical and most publicized of the group, but many of the folks in my local Tea Party are the same folks that protested the Vietnam War.

You forget that the Press largely misrepresents these groups. There was very, very little racism in the Tea Party but what made the news? The same goes for the 60's activists.

I think you, Defcon, Neo, and Evol are all saying similar things, but you are lost in the semantics. You are caught up on income levels and a general definition of "rich" which I think is barely upper middle class, definitely not "rich" and definitely definitely not "elite."

Others are so busy defending the populace and the constitutional right to protest that they don't realize your message is exactly on point.

This thread is a pure example of divide and conquer.

This thread is an example of "rich" or "elite."
A few corporations that own all the other businesses advertising on TV, and then those few corporations are also the primary shareholders in one another. Then the Rabbit Hole shows that a few investment firms are the primary investors for those few corporations that own one another.

We need to all be supporting the OWS, and the Tea Party, and the Constitution, and a TRUE Free Market, and we need to be holding our politicians accountable to US, and take away the power of the few hundred people at the top.

First and Foremost, if we had any common sense at all, we would refuse to spend another dollar at a corporate entity and we would ONLY do business at a sole-proprietership in our own communities. We would refuse to bank anywhere that has offsite decision making. We want our deposit dollars going back into our own community. We would refuse to accept "recycling" as the wave of the future when 50 years ago the re-used everything!! We are going backwards! We need more glassware, less plastic. Less disposable, less Chinese, less Corporate control, less campaign financing, and more local support.

Who are any of us to criticize OWS when we are still shopping at Dollar Tree and WalMart using Chinese plastic wear and styrofoam plates and sheetrock and driving Foreign cars made in Kentucky or Domestic Cars made in China? How can we be so steadfast in our criticism while still pumping foreign gas into our cars for joy rides?




posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:32 PM
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Buy locally?
I wish I knew where some good old fashioned local businesses were, I really do. I rarely see them anymore. At home, they're all local. They don't make much, but they're all local people that I know.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:34 PM
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you know why?

government and their stupid policies shrink the beast of government their power and their control and that manipulations and you will see them pop up like ows supporters right now.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:36 PM
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I think I know why, but could you clarify that statement?



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:38 PM
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government rules regulations and business sanctions this country is suppose to have a free market but its anything but and that is why you are seeing business and prosperity stifled.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:38 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by neo96
 


It's funny....Some of the responses here are wonderful...

"It's not that 1% it's the other 1%!"



Wow.
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When cornered, the prey introduces quite a nifty defense mechanism: the sliding scale.

There's zero way they're going to admit that the 1% includes mom-and-pop restauranteurs, independent tool shops, and non-chain bookstores. Admitting that would mean that they are admitting that OWS isn't about what the "wealthy" has, but what OWS doesn't have, which is someone else's stuff.

As I posted in another thread:

Grown, Responsible Adult: You keep your stuff, I'll keep my stuff, and we're square.
OWS: Give me your stuff, and we're square. Unless you get more stuff.

/TOA




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