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posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
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Well...

1. I'm not a republican.

2. I've typed time and time again what my solutions are to solving banking practices that are predatory in nature.

3. I've more than expressed how government MUST BE CONSTRAINED from attaining too much power outside of their Constitutional mandate so that they aren't allowed to give banks or anyone else too much power.

All you ever do is this:

"You disagree with 99%" "You refuse assimilation". "You are a bank shill and therefore an enemy."

And then you accuse me and others who disagree with OWS' misguided notions of how wealth is spread and gained of being narrow minded and propagandists.

You're the one making things up. About me and everyone who disagrees with you.


I am not a socialist, how do like it?

I have typed time and time again that I a don't want a communist revolution

Please, specifically, tell me what unconstitutional piece of legislation is OWS threatening to
unleash on America?

All you ever do is: "you disagree with the corruption of the banks and government, you can't protest
that because I don't agree with you"

"Danger, commies, threat, close ears and assassinate"

I accuse you of being an enabler, you and conservative America do not want to address the dance
between corporations and the government directly, the political capital is used to legislate
deregulation of banks, austerity, union busting and more tax cuts for the same group that keeps
getting tax cuts. You guys won't do anything about it and you trash the people with the political
will who do want to address it, therefore you are a passive participant. Even worse, when the case is
laid out, you continue to play the same role.




posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 07:08 PM
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I have addressed it. Time and time again.

And not just recently either. But throughout my entire posting history.

Maybe you should get acquainted with it.

I never called YOU a communist or a socialist. You've made clear that you are not and I accept that.

But OWS IS run by communists and socialists. How do I know? Because they use the same symbolism arguments and tactics.

Here it is from the horse's mouth occupywallst.org


Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.


Set the minimum wage to $20 an hour you know, because a small business owner can afford $20 for some jack ass kid to push buttons or flip burgers. That's some serious economic insight right there.

But then they qualify their socialist stance with this garbage


Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.


So whether you're working or not, that means the tax payer is going to fork over $20 per hour for every unemployed person in the country. This IS socialism. Extreme socialism. And it is also theft of the productive to fund the laziness of the unproductive...

Oh, but it gets better.


Demand four: Free college education.


Higher learning has always been the RESPONSIBILITY OF THE INDIVIDUAL. Not only do they want free money for doing nothing. They want everyone who pays taxes in this country to pay for their fine arts degree...That is ALSO socialism.

And it gets even better.




Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.


Yep, we're just going to give people who couldn't afford the debts they took on a free ride to game the system again, on top of giving them a $20 an hour wage for not doing anything, AND paying for their education in the process...Yeah, that's not socialism. No, that's American capitalism right there...



Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.


And the crown jewel of socialism...A Single payer system.


So, not only do they want tax payers to pay them to do nothing, pay for their schooling, pay for their health care, they also want to outlaw insurance companies and they say this is going to create so many jobs that they will require an open borders policy...

Yeah, this won't cause any problems.

Here's the link to the page on OWS' website in case you're wondering if I'm making all this up:
occupywallst.org...



So instead of moving to some place that will offer them the comforts of extreme left wing ideology they want to ram it down the throats of every working American who pays taxes.

And if they don't comply...Violence:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

This ATS survey says that not only do most of the OWS sympathizers agree with this stance, but that violence is going to be necessary to achieve it.

Because they can't get their point across in the free market of ideas, they're going to beat and kill and destroy until they do get their way.

Bunch of collectivist bullies.
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posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 07:16 PM
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If they want to fix the economy, go to a real democracy. The fact that things are off balance means that our democracy is not working very well.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 07:18 PM
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Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by projectvxn
 


If they want to fix the economy, go to a real democracy. The fact that things are off balance means that our democracy is not working very well.


Again, we don't have a democracy. We have a Constitutional Republic.

Here's 2 quotes from none other than Ben Franklin.

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."

"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."

After my last post. My guess is we're right on track to lose the Republic to a bunch of whiny lazy crying children.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
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I believe flattening out taxes is the best way to close loopholes in the tax structure.

By that i mean scrap the 80,000 or so pages of tax codes and replace it with flat taxes and a consumption tax so you pay for the lifestyle you're living.

Nothing more equitable than that. And it doesn't even take a socialist to get it done.




Flat Tax or Fair Tax

Either way it is a huge improvement.

Personally, I believe both parties are right. The Rich need to pay more taxes, and if we LOWER their taxes, they will pay MORE. We have to make it more affordable to pay taxes instead of avoiding taxes. By simplifying and lowering the tax percentages, the corporations can bring back their overseas investment and pay US tax on it and invest in infrastructure and research and development. By lowering and simplifying the tax code the rich investors can pay a fair amount instead of paying attorneys and accountants to shelter their money. By simplifying the code we entice new entrepreneurs to start businesses and take chances without fearing the government reprisal.

The reason the rich don't pay their fair share is because we make it too expensive and we give them incentive to find a way out or hide the money overseas or just stop investing.

The reason the small business is disappearing is because the government has over-bearing regulations. I posted in another thread that to mow lawns in my town takes 11 different licenses, permissions, bonds, insurances, etc. Just to get started to mow some lawns is several hundred dollars, and then there is monthly and quarterly reporting, and huge penalties for making beginner mistakes, etc.

Government is the problem, not the solution.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 07:23 PM
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Again, we need more democracy! That idea has gotten off balance as well and is probably why the economy favors the very rich. They can buy the government, to an extent. More direct democracy means less buying.

Btw, if we're all whining and crying what does that make our founding fathers that started this country due an unfavorable economic arrangement?
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posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 07:24 PM
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I look at it like the prohibition era.

Making alcohol illegal drove distilleries underground and created a criminal element.

Punitive progressive taxation drive money out of the country and in many cases creates a criminal element.

Lowering and flattening out taxes across the board would go a long way toward fixing our economic woes.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by projectvxn
 


Again, we need more democracy! That idea has gotten off balance as well and is probably why the economy favors the very rich. They can buy the government, to an extent. More direct democracy means less buying.


No it doesn't.

Direct democracy means that the most organized and well funded groups can make the rules.

You should really think about what you're asking for.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 07:28 PM
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The American people can't be bought. I'm sorry if you have such a low opinion of us, but honestly, if we're all whining babies, LEAVE.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by projectvxn
 


Again, we need more democracy! That idea has gotten off balance as well and is probably why the economy favors the very rich. They can buy the government, to an extent. More direct democracy means less buying.

Btw, if we're all whining and crying what does that make our founding fathers that started this country due an unfavorable economic arrangement?
edit on 11-10-2011 by Evolutionsend because: (no reason given)


Have you EVER read the Declaration of Independence?

Good lord there is NO moral equivalency at ALL.


He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.


This is straight from the D of I. Read it and internalize it. Your comparison is simply ridiculous and lacks any basis in fact.

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posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by Evolutionsend
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The American people can't be bought. I'm sorry if you have such a low opinion of us, but honestly, if we're all whining babies, LEAVE.


You're the one advocating for a groups of people to shove socialism down the throats of the American people.

If that's what you want there is always Cuba.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 07:31 PM
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Really?

I'm a pretty discerning fella, intelligent, grouchy and hard to influence, and last night a Papa Johns commercial almost made eat my shoe! After the commercial I was starving and if they would deliver to my house I would have been eating a pizza at midnight!

We are extremely easy to influence. The populace votes for the likely winner, or the suave handsome candidate, or the quirky pretty face with an accent, or the outsider with big promises. How many voters have any idea what the voting record of Ron Paul is compared to John McCain? I barely even know.

Sorry, but our votes are easily bought. Direct Democracy won't work. Representative Democracy won't work. Every successful enterprise needs a very strong leader. Our Democracy works when we have such a leader but it suffers the rest of the time.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 07:31 PM
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Yes I have. The underlying issue to it was unfair taxes. It's a legal document, you expect them to list one thing and call it a day? They listed everything, but at the end of the day the document said, "we're not gonna be your sweat shop anymore."



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 07:33 PM
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I haven't advocated for any group. You're a highly judgmental person.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 07:35 PM
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Then maybe it's me that underestimates stupidity. I've never had a commercial make me hungry.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by Evolutionsend
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I haven't advocated for any group. You're a highly judgmental person.


Am I?




That's something we sell to immigrants, because corporate America needs those willing to take day jobs.


This is condescension toward immigrants. Because you know, we're all a bunch of morons who can't make up our own minds without some politician or corporation selling us what we should think.

I'm an immigrant AND discerning.

You are condescending and judgmental.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 07:37 PM
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What I told you, was truth. There hasn't been an American dream since corporations took over America.
It isn't something that's aimed at immigrants specifically, that was a joke. If you can't stand a little humor, then don't talk to me. It's a package of bull# that they've been feeding us for the last 30 years, before that, it was actually true!

My family has also been here for a very long time, we worked to build this country. Who are you to throw stones at other Americans, because they see things differently than you? You talk about being an immigrant and a soldier as some kind of badge of honor. It's not. We've all had hard lives, and those that haven't probably aren't even in a thread like this.

You've been all over these forums calling people communists, and socialists, just because they don't agree with you. I've had my fill, son. Learn some respect.
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posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 07:41 PM
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I believe the population is waking up some, and that is why I support both the Tea Party and the OWS folks. As long as they are politically active, involved, mobilized, then I am a fan!


But, in general, I believe the populace to be drastically uninformed, naive, easy to manipulate, etc.

What did Tommy Lee Jones say......"A person is smart, People are stupid."

Democracy relies on People, not individual persons. Buses round up voters and haul them to polls, MTV tells them if they don't vote they'll die, Politicians tell them if they vote for the other guy he will kill their babies or their grandmothers, but if you vote for me, I'll give you cash and a job....... eventually. The whole campaign is a farce. Worse yet, they spend almost 2 years campaigning instead of governing. Why do we pay these folks when they spend the majority of their time campaigning?

I hate politics, and I'm thinking of getting involved at the same time. It is an extremely dirty game.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 07:53 PM
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If you've had your fill then stop eating.

Secondly I've been in this country 22 of 27 years I've been alive.

I appreciate what I have and what lies before me. And I choose to protect it.

Who am I to question OWS is probably what you're asking. Though not directly. THEY ARE socialists. And I have proven that on this very page.
















On top of my earlier posts of the demands of these protesters I think I've made my point about who these people really are. Commies and Socialists.

Prove me wrong.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 07:58 PM
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Originally posted by Evolutionsend
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Again, we need more democracy! That idea has gotten off balance as well and is probably why the economy favors the very rich. They can buy the government, to an extent. More direct democracy means less buying.

Btw, if we're all whining and crying what does that make our founding fathers that started this country due an unfavorable economic arrangement?
edit on 11-10-2011 by Evolutionsend because: (no reason given)


Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

we are a constitutional republic



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