Possible reasons for Chemtrails?

reply to post by Grossac


now you have got insulting skeptics off your chest - i will ask again :


ok - the 64 thousand dollar question :

what is your EVIDENCE that the trails you see above Fredericton NB are " chemtrails " not contrails ?

reply to post by Grossac


I don't blame god for my looks or my brains, I'm not that stupid.

But it's all good, you may think you're onto something here, and that's fine...although perhaps you should question why no one has managed to get evidence of what's in these chemtrails yet? A few thousand dollars will do the trick, you'd think those selling books and dvds could rustle up the funds, what about the guy who financed What in the world are they spraying?? That money could have been spent to expose the biggest conspiracy in the world!

I guess there's no money in that though, right?

Anyway, keep living in fear if you must, I just hope that you realise just how wrong you are before it's too late.

A whole lifetime can be wasted living in fear.

reply to post by UnlimitedSky


you claim that " they " are "spraying pathogens "

may i ask - why you think it is practical , logical , sensible or ecconomical to " spray pathogens " at a height of 6 to 10km above the intended target - in a rareified top layers of the troposphere where UV radiation is higher

" chemtrail "proponents like to cite various experiments done in the feild of CBW dissemination - blithley ignoring the fact that all such experiments were conducted at < 500m altutudes

I would not call every Trail a Con- or Chemtrail
but i call every Pollution of our Sky a Crime!

Even when there is no Chemo inside it looks very bad,
and have a (maybe unknown) influence on the Nature!

When i go by my Bike and the Fume is visible for over a hundred Kilometer
my Bike would be confiscated because it is bad for the Environment.
my Exhaust need to follow some Rules, good and understandable Rules!

Possible reasons for Chemtrails:
Protection of the Gene-Code of Plants, Animal and Humans
because the UV-Radiation is strongly increased in the last Decades!

Or the Theory of 1.000 Stitches:
Torture the Human Soul with many tiny and small Hits,
not too strong so they will never fully realize but strong enough
to make them Docile!

reply to post by ignorant_ape


It's happening at very low altitude.

"Ask yourself how a jet can be seen leaving no contrail or a very short and short-lived contrail in the same sky as another large aircraft or pair of planes leaving broad white lingering plumes. Then ask yourself why formations of “commercial jets” are suddenly appearing far from airports and air navigation beacons – only to vanish, then return weeks later. Airline pilots flying back-and-forth grid-patterns, making head-on passes and crossing in X-patterns would quickly lose their licenses. Commercial aircraft prominently display their airline logo, "colors" and registration numbers. Photo-identified KC-135 and KC-10 spray aircraft are modified Boeing 707s and DC-10s. While they can be mistaken for airliners, air force tankers are usually painted all white or silver, and carry no large identification markings. Zoom video shots show no windows in the fuselage – a feature not especially appreciated by “passengers”. "In Texas, Mark Steadham’s landmark study used Flight Explorer software to identify all aircraft leaving ‘trails over Houston during the winter of 2000. Steadham found that the plumes left by identified commercial airliners lasted on average 22 seconds before dissipating. Plumes left by multi-engine military aircraft in the same airspace at the same time lingered four to eight hours. Experienced commercial pilots, military personnel and other qualified observers say the phenomena they are often observing are not normal contrails."

reply to post by Chadwickus


Why do you say I live in fear? I FEAR Chemtrails? I dont fear the Boogieman, Satan, Hell or death. We've been lied too and manipulated by people and governments since time began. Why would it be any different now?

They have tested and found barium, aluminum and other stuff in those trails. Do you need the Prime minister to go out and announce it on national T.V. for you to believe it? Are you married? If so, do you love your wife? PROVE IT? You cant. Does that mean you dont love her?

reply to post by Grossac

They have tested and found barium, aluminum and other stuff in those trails.

No they haven't.

No one has gone up in a plane and taken direct samples from these supposed chemtrails.

Well they have measured it.

Cloud Microphysics
Aerosol Properties
Atmospheric Chemistry
Meteorology and Dynamic Radiation
Remoting Sensing

eosweb.larc.nasa.gov...

NASA's Subsonic Assessment Program and the Radiation Sciences Program

cloud1.arc.nasa.gov...

reply to post by Grossac




Nope. You have been reading blogs, or other sources, that have no idea what they are talking about, because they have no experience in aviation.

For instance....in this post I am "replying" to, you posted an external source body of text.

ATS rules ask to cite each time one does this, to indicate the source it is derived from.

(You already know how to copy/paste, and use [ quote ] tags.....instead of "quote", type ex and /ex inside the brackets (... [ ex ] ). (No spaces inside the brackets).

Then, link the source.


Now....in that discussion you copy/pasted, I am familiar with that very, very flawed "study" from 2000.

They used the program "FlightExplorer".....and, in case you didn't know, back in year 2000 that was owned by an arm of American Airlines, and their (at the time 'Sabre' computer company subsidiary). Sabre has since been divested from American Airlines Inc.

But, back then they biased out certain info from some competitor airlines....primarily the biggest one, arch-rival in Texas, and the Dallas-Ft. Worth area.....Southwest Airlines.

SO , no.....the claims of "military" jets spraying are without any merit whatsoever. One has to be a bit more researched into many aspects of aviation in order to further comprehend.....but suffice to say, those of us who are experienced (airline pilot here....about 40 years total flying experience in all).....this is why we laugh at the "chem"trail claims.

What is more....."chem"trails as a meme were started by a few, such as AM radio host Art Bell, in order to market fake "medicines" and "cures" for non-existent, but made-up ailments. Salves, balms, all that needed to have a "villain" (aka "chem"trails) in order to merit their promotion to the ignorant and gullible who would then buy them.


The fact that people continue to be grossly uneducated on simple science and meteorology, and of course lay persons know virtually nothing about flying....well, the scam, sham, myth, and hoax prospers.

All this kerfluffle over nothing other than normal, normal CONTRAILS....which are composed of ice crystals. And, are indistinguishable in composition (if not initial shapes) from normal, everyday CIRRUS clouds.

Contrails are even classed in the "genus" of cloud types: "Cirrus Aviaticus"

Honestly, the POSSIBILITIES for chem trails are endless. Covert spraying of various compounds could be for anything from
testing out biological weapons on your own populations
testing out other airborne medicines or other meant-to-be-ingested compounds
changing physical properties various parts of the atmopshere for peromanent or brief periods of time. You could scatter more sunlight or radiation, create less overall aerial visibility from the ground..
Testing out nano scale swarm sattelite tech, if you'd like to believe such things exist already.

But the real question still remains- are they even spraying at all?? Minus the contrails, and seldom accounts of maybe pesticide spraying in weird places, and perhaps even a few atmosphere experiments by the military -- is their even a conspiracy? I mean it's known that similar experiments have been done in the past. My guess is they still go on today, and about a million misidentified contrails have been thrown in the bunch.

reply to post by ProudBird


So could you explain the SUCCESS Mission to us.

reply to post by Esrever



The problem with "chem"trail believers is this:

"They" have to provide any evidence, in the form of photographs of the equipment, the facilities, the loading, etc.

But, besides that....each and every....and I mean every instance of photos of what are claimed as "chem"trails...even when filmed in videos...look exactly like normal contrails. Right down to the same color that you see with all contrails....basic white, under normal lighting conditions.

(Setting or rising Sun at low angles can illuminate them in reddish or orangish colors....same way other clouds are illuminated in similar conditions).

Because, contrails ARE ice crystals, same as any other cirrus cloud.

As yet, not one "chem"trail believer has presented evidence otherwise....nor have"they" presented any type of material that will behave the way ice crystals do, and exhibit all the qualities of cirrus clouds, down to the same appearance and color......

reply to post by ProudBird

I posted proof once of tests and asked you to explain.
cloud1.arc.nasa.gov...

reply to post by Gmoneycricket


I missed that earlier post.

Just glancing at the NASA link, it is quite involved.

SO, which bits need explaining?

(That research study was conducted in 1996....)

Multiple Platform Radiation
I assume they are talking about how much sun was blocked.

Particle Measurement?

I am just tired of people telling me contrails are safe, just water vapor and ice.
It is water and ice laced with jet engine exhaust.

Hydrogen fuel planes would be clean but not cost effective.

Night going to bed.

reply to post by Gmoneycricket


You will have to realize that some of that science involved in the study is way above a mere pilot's paygrade and area of expertise. That's why there are specialists in scientific fields.

Now, a thorough reading of the entire report will take some time, before finding that particular three-word phrase (a Google search on those three words was not related to this report).

When it comes to climate science studies, my experience from reading the heavy technical jargon is that they tend to use terms of that sort, "radiative forcing", and such.....lingo that is specific to their branch of scientific knowledge, and sometimes it needs to be re-phrased into layman's terms.


If one merely reads the "Mission Overview", there are some clues embedded:

cloud1.arc.nasa.gov...

(snippet):

..... the DC-8 aircraft as an in situ sampling platform. It will carry a wide variety of gaseous, particulate, radiative, and meteorological instruments.

Adding:

Originally posted by Gmoneycricket
It is water and ice laced with jet engine exhaust.

Well, yes. Of course. Still, you have to consider the vastly larger amounts of exhaust gases spewed from other internal combustion engine machines we operate on this planet.....and there are far more at surface level than in the air.

Also, jets on the ground, when taxiing, or just sitting waiting to take-off, or waiting for a gate .... on the ground, the engines spew the same exhaust gases as they do in flight, in terms of hydrocarbons and such.

And, in many cases, even with main engines shut down, sometimes the APU (Auxiliary Power Unit), essentially another jet engine, is running for many hours while the airplane is parked.

Then, there are the many pieces of baggage handling equipment, push-back tugs, fuel trucks, etc....that all operate on the busy airport ramp areas....most of them incorporate diesel engines, and burn diesel fuel....they can even utilize the Jet-A1 fuel too, it's not that much different from automotive grade diesel fuel. It's more refined, but actually in some places (because of the quantities provided and bought in bulk), a bit less per gallon cost-wise.

Here in Southern California, diesel at the stations for cars is the same, or higher than the Premium gasoline. Jet fuel is far less than the approximate $4.39 per gallon average here, for car fuels........

Originally posted by ProudBird


Contrails are even classed in the "genus" of cloud types: "Cirrus Aviaticus"

Reclaim the Sky!

Hmmm, we should shut down all forms of Air Traffic, except Rescue Flight,
on days with a high rate or possibility of "Cirrus Aviaticus"
because they disturb the psychological Wellbeing of the Humankind,
it is a God given Right to see the (sometimes) blue Sky
and not the exhaust Fume of countless Airplanes!

reply to post by Human0815


When atmospheric conditions are conducive for persistent contrails it is usually due to the fact that approaching weather changes are nearing your area.

In other words, it is going to get cloudy, anyway.

So....are you going to shout "Reclaim the sky" at Mother Nature??? Just exactly how much do the occasional persistent contrails actually affect one individual? Why is it only a handful of people who seem to be bothered at all?

Do people wish that clouds (and the rain and snow they bring) never form at all? Just to *always* have that blue sky? (Gee....guess everyone likes the deserts, huh?)

Or....move to Mars.... Mars has very little water vapor in its atmosphere, and very thin *air* to boot, so it rarely has any clouds of any size......

If there are nitrogen compounds in those chemtrails then there is a good chance
the trails are bing generated in situ or as the plane travels along using high
voltage that burns the nitrogen. Those trails are then given an extra touch
with a few more smokey trail makers that are regular planes.