TA-THREATS: Two French Journalists Kidnapped

Originally posted by Thinker
French are idiots for allowing these savages into their country.
[edit on 29-8-2004 by Thinker]

THE ONLY IDIOT I CAN SEE IS THE RASCIST YOU ARE !

Open an history book before open your mouth. And THINK ! If you're really a thinker :

France is a country, a country is composed of a people, a people is composed of several individuals entities living together. In this mass, some morons, some are clever and some think they are clever but they are morons. That's life ! That's communauty.

Please :

Don't judge a people on the decisions of his governement, because sometimes people are against them governement. It's true in France, It's true in america, and maybe it's true in most of the countries worldwide !


[edit on 31-8-2004 by Nans DESMICHELS]

Nans
The post you refer to contains hate speech and thus should be deleted
I think this should be reported to a moderator

For those who don't know french interior politic situation, you must know that Jean-Pierre RAFFARIN, the prime minister is actually in a really difficult situation. He is one of the most hatred prime minister of the fifth republic. And many people, from left to right, are actually claiming that he is not able to lead France. That's why Chirac quickly took things in his hand. Like Chirac said :"He decide and his ministers execute"...

The post you refer to contains hate speech and thus should be deleted
I think this should be reported to a moderator

Kind of skirts the line shy of hate speech imo....I'll leave it to the board mod to discern....

[edit on 31-8-2004 by Gazrok]

www.cnn.com...

CNN reports that not only is the French government working its arse off to secure the release of the hostages, the French Muslims are also demonstrating for the release of the hostages - imams included.

Originally posted by Otts
I would just like to remind people that after 9/11 Jacques Chirac was the first foreigh leader to go to Washington and declare his solidarity with the United States. French international newspaper "Le Monde" titled "We are all Americans" on its front page.

Of course they stepped up to say that they supported us after 9/11. After the attack on the twin towers, the American people were seeing red and wanted blood. Anyone who even pretended to stand in our way was in great danger lol. Also, what real human being wouldn't feel and express compassion for such a tragedy? It didn't take long for the French government to change their minds and turn their backs on us did it? I don't think that their initial support following the events of 9/11 reflects their true stance in any of this.

Last I heard... the Muslim population in France was around 18% or something like that. I don't think that we can ever expect any real help from the French government when it comes to dealing with Islamic terrorism.

Also, I agree with the comment that Nans made...
"Don't judge a people on the decisions of his governement, because sometimes people are against them governement. It's true in France, It's true in america, and maybe it's true in most of the countries worldwide !"

I don't think any country in this entire world is truly governed by it's "People" (including the so-called democracies). If you're going to hate any one group of people... your safest bet is (all) politicians lol.

What are they doing in Iraq anyway? Spreading anti-American propaganda? Those French, I just can't help but wonder about them. First, they hate America, then they don't want our products and demand that we buy theirs and we're the bad guys. They didn't want to Iraq in the first place.

[edit on 31/8/04 by Intelearthling]

Originally posted by Otts
I would just like to remind people that after 9/11 Jacques Chirac was the first foreigh leader to go to Washington and declare his solidarity with the United States. French international newspaper "Le Monde" titled "We are all Americans" on its front page.

Don't forget that france was one of the first occidental country hitted by "islamist" terrorism :

news.bbc.co.uk...

Originally posted by AtheiX
Nans
The post you refer to contains hate speech and thus should be deleted
I think this should be reported to a moderator

Go to Hel you Idiot. France has been and always Will be America's friend. Friends disagree with each other, it does not mean they are not friends. The French revolution was a precursor to the American Revolution, the French Masons financed the American Revolution, our roots are deep and intertwined.
My feelings are AthieX should be booted out, however, I enjoy confrontation it makes me grow. So you can merely go to HEL

TUT

TY for your answer
and i am french and i can t believe such behavior
Sure certain people must be ban

tututkamen : You miss the point, AtheiX is refering to this post of "thinker" :

Originally posted by Thinker
French are idiots for allowing these savages into their country. All they do is rape their women, commit crime, and want to blow something up.

Those journalistics shouldn't be in the land of the savages. You don't allow sheep to walk through an infested wolves valley.


[edit on 29-8-2004 by Thinker]

[edit on 1-9-2004 by Nans DESMICHELS]

If you read Time magazine this week "Inside the mind of George W. Bush", you'll see that the reporter concludes Bush often gives more attention to WHY a country or a person is taking a stance against U.S. policies, and that this attitude often serves to silence the ARGUMENTS of that country or person against U.S. policies.

That's what happened to France. Instead of taking act of the France's arguments, the U.S. administration and media had to dig and say "These arguments don't matter, because France has links with Iraq so they have no credibility." No matter if these charges are proven or not - this discredited France's arguments.

It reminds me of the first Gulf War. A veteran came to our college to give us a presentation on conscientious objectors - people who don't want to go to war in case of a draft. He said "The way it works, military administrators will call you to an interview, and they won't listen to your arguments. They'll just try to destabilize you by insinuating that you're afraid, that you don't want to go fight because you're a coward..."

Sorry world where when there's a war, no matter what the cause, if the government says JUMP you go fight, and if you don't, you're a coward or a traitor... As much as your government expects you, in this case, to be a mindless automaton and not object, as much the Bush administration expects other governments to obediently fall in line, or else...

Originally posted by Gazrok

Not to mention, this reeks of the anti-Japanese sentiment of WWII. How many remember that debacle?

God you really didn't read up on history did you?

Did you know how many atrocities the Japanese committed during World War 2?

I suppose you're not aware of 'Interment Camp 731', where the Japanese did horrible experiments on Chinese citizens, killing thousands by testing various WMD's on them.

Or the Australian Army Nurses that were executed along with the wounded soldiers after they were washed up on an island after their ship was sunk?

Or when a group of Japanese soldiers went into a hospital full of wounded British and Australian soldiers abd just slaughtered them, or maybe when they used them as bayonette practice?

The Bataan Death March?

As a moderator you should've known these facts. Perhaps you should watch the 'Hell in the Pacific' series on History Channel and open your eyes more. I don't to be rude but to call it a debacle?

I'm astonished....

[edit on 1/9/04 by Flyboy211]

[edit on 1/9/04 by Flyboy211]

Can anyone help me? Last week I read that France was dispatching a couple of high ranking Diplomats to the Middle East in an attempt to negotiate for the release of the two French reporters taken hostage. And that was the last I have read or heard of the situation. Can anyone enlighten me as to the current status of the negotiations or the condition of the hostages?
Also I read that two Italian females have been kidnapped and nothing more. And has anyone heard anything about the massive attacks that were supposed to have taken effect in Italy once the deadline for Italian troop withdrawal had passed. The silence is very loud

Tut

[edit on 14-9-2004 by tututkamen]

I've learnt, recently that actually, even in the french governement is not engage inside the coalition, some french militaries specialists in middle-east are collaborating with the CIA and US-Army for the benladen researches, in Afghanistan and Iraq. This information sould remain secret, but, our stupid defense-goose minister (Michelle ALLIOT-MARIE), forgot her secrecy obligation and talked to this on some medias network, to claim that there was yet some friendship between USA and France armies...

Our defense ministry (defense secretary) is a woman who is sometimes a little bit stupid (like a woman can do), and sometimes, she don't have any idea of the meaning of the word secrets.

It's certain that actually, Benladen networks are informed abut this collaboration, and so the hostage crisis is not finish yet. And now, there are several possibilities :

1- The iraqians terrorists are not connected with benladen networks, so, they will just ask some money, and finally free the hostage.

2- The Iraqians terrorists know that there are some french militaries tracking benladen worldwide, and they will kill our hostages.

But :

Actually is an Algerian terrorist of the GSPC group (linked to Al-Qaeda) is prisonner in the hand of Touareg nomads in the region of Tibisti, CHAD. We know that the Touareg want to sell him and his companions to some countries who wants him extradate, like Algeria, Frenc and Almost Germany.(This guy is responsible of the German tourist Rapt in the Sahara desert in 2001) : en.ce.cn...

What is left of the GSPC are still in the hands of the MDJT Tibesti rebels while Chad and Algeria dance around the diplomatic intricacies of handing him over. Nevertheless Amari Saifi (aka: Abderrezak "the Para") managed to give an interview to Paris Match magazine last week, handcuffed in his Tibesti cave.

Source : www.sahara-overland.com...

So, maybe, the Iraqians terrorist are keeping our journalists to have a "trading currency", just in case if El-Para and his companions are extradates in an occidental country.

A last thing :

Actually, a team of the "service action" of he DGSE is on the ground, in Iraq, just in case of...