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Open latter and warning from Tea Party to OWS

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posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 07:58 PM
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It may sound impossible, but at this stage of the game, I truly believe "ultra-liberal" and "ultra-conservative" are just about the same thing!! They have more in common than the mainstream middle.

I am an "ultra-conservative" Tea Partier, and I entirely agree with the blogger.

Think about it, Conservatives just want less government. Ron Paul could be considered an ultra conservative, or an ultra liberal depending on the subject. So could I.

Less Prison population, less criminal offenses, less nanny laws, less drug laws, less regulation, etc.

More individual rights, state's rights, and personal responsibility.

The two sides differ a lot on entitlements and social programs, but they each hold their views for similar reasons.




posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 08:01 PM
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Obviously and apparently your feet is firmly and solidly grounded in reality, logic and common sense and does not need an email or talking head to tell you how or what to think. I'm most positive you support the OWS movement.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 08:05 PM
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Thanks, Mod.
This thread was not an attempt to attack or derail OWS. Simply telling the believers not to follow the trap of the Tea Party.
Some of the folks on here need to breathe a few deep breathes and let their reason overtake their emotional need for the "movement" to be real. Maybe it is and maybe it won't be derailed by establishment forces.

My personal belief is that it will be easy because of the earnest want for OWS to be real. The koolaid will definitely be spiked. Depends on if the drinkers swallow.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 08:08 PM
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I haven't decided if I agree with the OWS movement yet. It doesn't appear to have any clear agenda other than to get attention, and maybe that is enough, I don't know.

If it spreads to other cities and states, and if politicians take notice, and if lawmakers begin to look at the issues, then I will agree with it 100%. I'm afraid that won't happen, and these folks will eventually fizzle out and wander away. I'm not hitching up to it anytime soon, but I do wish them luck.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 08:16 PM
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do you support the redistrubition of wealth?

do you believe in the power of ones own destiny is in their own 2 hands?

do you believe in personal exceptionalism?

do you believe in rewarding mediocrity?

no,yes,yes,no is a tea partier.

ows answers are yes,,no,no,yes



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 08:18 PM
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Anytime a Group of more than 10 People get together to Fight against an Injustice perpetrated against their fellow man, you can be rest assured that someone behind the scenes will make an attempt to Manipulate them into using their Voices to serve a Different Agenda . In the case of OWS , what started out to be a Noble Cause will eventually end up becoming the complete Opposite of what was intended Unless these People themselves realize they are being Had and identify the Threat to their Real Message .We shall see if they do just that real soon......



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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That is only until he irks them and does something they don't want and watch how fast he gets tossed under the bus.

The House Of Rothchilds is behind the Koch Brothers who are behind the Tea groups.


oh right between now and when he hits the grave? He's an old buzzard. Anyway what difference does it make, they adopted him as one of their own and he's trashing the economies of entire countries. He has to work extra hard at bringing down America though.

America still has a Divine Destiny per those who work for a Higher Power.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 08:23 PM
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The expansion is already well underway, 25 cities today, 30 more by the end of next week and 150 others online by the end of the month.

The momentum is growing, they've got massive traction behind them and by all accounts it is not going to fizzle or go away.

This is what a vast and clear cut majority of Americans want and are demanding and will remain steadfast on this objective.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 08:30 PM
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LOL! I don't think their views are exactly what is being portrayed online. Why protest at Wall Street if you support the current administration policies? It doesn't make sense.

Of course my answers are no, yes, yes, no. BUT that is an over-simplification.

Do I support rewarding mediocrity? NO!
But I do support developing mediocrity into something better. Detroit is a perfect example. If GM had been allowed to fail, a lot of those mediocre workers would have been faced with necessity and necessity breeds innovation, and I would support that innovation!

Do I support redistribution of wealth? NO!
But I do believe simplifying the tax code, and lowering taxes in key areas like corporate income tax will increase the overall revenue by incentivizing investment and taking away the benefit of sheltering money off shore. See what CEO of Pepsi has to say about the issue. They are dying to bring foreign profits back to the US to invest, but they can't because taxes are too high. So cut taxes a little and increase revenue and investment!!

At the same time, I believe tax credits are ridiculous! The non-profit that I work for got several thousand dollars even though they paid no tax whatsoever? We weren't counting on it. It didn't make us hire anybody new, or change our budget in any way, so why did the government just give that money away?

There is never a simple yes/no answer.

I was mad at Obama for compromising with the Republicans on the debt ceiling! We needed the hard-line Republicans to cut spending, but we also needed the hard-line Democrats to let the tax breaks and credits expire. That was the solution, but the Dems caved in early.
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posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 08:39 PM
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in my opinion their "goals" can only be achieved by government and we have all have enough of better living through government which has created all the problems we face.

yeah i do simplify things in my world there are no shades of gray in my opinion thats part of the problem.

also think most sane people will agree that government spending needs to be cut but makes the point of the ows protests whatever they want can only be achieved by greater spending and more power and control.

hence more of the same.
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posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 08:42 PM
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Greater power and control by Gov't yes, over banks and corporations who are only out for themselves and turn the stock market into a casino with no regulation led directly to the 2008 crash. To deny this fact makes your argument appear and be weak!



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 08:48 PM
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The criminal elite can and will try to kill this movement, but ultimately they will only delay it. Unless they throw a magic switch to turn off the impending UTTER COLLAPSE of the dollar and US economy, these protests are only a pale shadow of what is to come.

END CORPORATISM.

That is the goal and the unifying cry which cannot be subverted. Just remember those 2 words, spread them as best you can, and don't let false communist manifestos distract you from the real fight.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 08:49 PM
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give me a break government had control senators frank and dodd and the hands on approach of control wealth was exactly lead to the crash that wasnt a crash it was a buying oportunity.

dirt cheap prices made millionaires and billionaires. government control and their regulations is exactly the problem.

fanny and freddy and their creation of mres led to that so called "Crisis" and what was the result of it a new dodd frank ammendment which added more power and control.

make the situtation to take more power and control and those ows and their defenders are going yes more please.


give me a break.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 08:51 PM
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I don't know if their agenda requires more government spending. In my opinion, we just need to cut the umbilical cord, let this well-earned and deep depression happen. Let the dollar hit the basement, the weak dollar will cause a boost in foreign spending here. Kick out all the politicians (the Tea Party Mantra SACK THE INCUMBENT!. Let the corporations fail, let the unemployment skyrocket, and let the Free Market react.

IT sounds harsh, but values would re-stabilize at their true worth instead of the inflated worth based on faulty economics. People would have to make a lot of sacrifices, but do we really need 4 TVs and 3 computers per household? Do people need to eat out for every meal instead of cooking at home? Do we really do any good by "recycling" when 50 years ago they actually "re-used" their merchandise!! Bring back glassware, do some dishes, stop living disposably.

It would be a steep and harsh reality check, but within months, we would stabilize and we would be on the road to recovery instead of prolonging the suffering indefinitely, and we would be better for it!!

America has been great because of innovation. We have murdered innovation and rewarded mediocrity (as you correctly stated).

I believe we can fulfill the goals of the OWS, and do it on Conservative Principles, and if we cut all ties with corporatism and false economies, then we can make it a real recovery.

ETA:
It's hard to not empathize with We are the 99%. There are 46 pages of those heart-wrenching stories. Those folks really are the 99%.
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posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by radosta

He goes on to explain how the Tea Party was turned from a non partisan grass roots movement into a corporatist Republican controlled movement and why that is likely to happen to the OWS movement (except as a Corporatist Democrat movement).



Except the key difference is that Righties are pro corporate much in the way that Lefties are pro government.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 08:57 PM
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Spinning a story I see to suit your interests. The "Dodd-Frank Act" was signed into law in 2010 and stopped some nefarious practices cold. To spin this to say that they caused it is one of the most blatant lies and obvious cases of disinformation I've ever witnessed on ATS!

Who do you work for? Who's paying you to post here? C'mon, you can tell us!



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 08:58 PM
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WAY WRONG!!

I am more anti-corporate than I am anti-government, but obviously they go hand in hand and both are the problem.

Sorry, but cutting taxes to increase domestic investment does not make me "pro-corporate." Stop tax credits, and tax incentives that are abused at every level from city and county all the way up to the Fed. Why should some big franchise get grants and tax breaks and free real estate to move to a town, when the mom and pop stores are already struggling to survive in the same town?

Corporatism is the ultimate evil! Communities need to fight it at every opportunity. The most direct way to fight it is to shop local!!! Don't buy a dam thing unless you get a chance to shake hands with the owner! If you can't find the owner, shop somewhere else!



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 08:58 PM
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Originally posted by mastahunta

Originally posted by radosta

He goes on to explain how the Tea Party was turned from a non partisan grass roots movement into a corporatist Republican controlled movement and why that is likely to happen to the OWS movement (except as a Corporatist Democrat movement).



Except the key difference is that Righties are pro corporate much in the way that Lefties are pro government.


The righties are for deregulation across the board while the lefties are for equality for all! Get that straight!



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 09:01 PM
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The righties are for deregulation across the board while the lefties are for equality for all! Get that straight!


EXACTLY!


Now, I hope you realize that is one and the same thing!


Equality for all means no regulations benefitting one over another. De-regulation means a free market, where corporations have to pay the same as everyone else, and everyone has an equal opportunity to do business. Currently we have a major pro-corporate agenda at every level of government. BUT, we the people are also programmed to shop at corporations. We are incentivizing corporatism even in our own shopping carts!!



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 09:03 PM
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hey go find the video where frank was asked if there was any problems with housing industry

and sit there and lied and goes no no nothing to see here.

no spin here live in denail dont really care.



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