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Ron Paul: Obama's proposed cuts to veteran healthcare 'unjust and immoral'

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posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 01:08 PM
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"Failing to meet the promises we have made to our troops would be unjust and immoral," Paul said in an open letter to Obama. "Our military men and women have fought bravely. In exchange, our country made a promise to them, and we must honor it."

"Cutting the benefits of our Veterans benefits while we subsidize the security of other wealthy nations like Germany and Japan and play World Policeman makes no sense," Paul said. "The money we would save extracting our fighting men and women and our equipment from overseas conflicts and regions will more than offset the savings you seek by upending the manner in which veterans receive care."

thehill.com...

You can't really argue with the bolded part
I mean how would you even begin to?

It's crazy how none of this make sense
It's illegal for the U.S. to give foreign aid to nuclear countries yet we subsidized Pakistan's nuclear projects for so long, then Pakistan shares that knowledge with North Korea and now NK is portrayed as a threat.

And then turn around and do what domestically?

That's enough, Obama can go home now
He should stay as far away from the white house as possible




posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 01:24 PM
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Veteran health care is a joke to begin with. It's on par with other socialist healthcare you hear about in countries like Canada. Get on a list to see a doctor at your not so local VA hospital. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. See doctor. Get prognosis. Go back on list. Continue to wait, wait, wait, wait.

On the flip side, in NY at least, if you have no medical insurance, no problem. Just go to any state run hospital and they have to see you, it's the law. I know a guy who has no medical insurance & was in very bad shape (drugs & alcohol), was seen right away (as fast as any hospital can move anyway), spent at least a month in the hospital, got better, went home, and no bills.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 01:36 PM
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Don't you tea party folks want people that cannot afford healthcare to die, correct?

That includes veterans, right? Since a lot of them come home and could not afford healthcare on their own?



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia
That's enough, Obama can go home now
He should stay as far away from the white house as possible

Pfft politicians, I don't trust either one whether it's Paul or Obama. But Barack indeed should be a one termer.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by Swills
Veteran health care is a joke to begin with. It's on par with other socialist healthcare you hear about in countries like Canada. Get on a list to see a doctor at your not so local VA hospital. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. See doctor. Get prognosis. Go back on list. Continue to wait, wait, wait, wait.

On the flip side, in NY at least, if you have no medical insurance, no problem. Just go to any state run hospital and they have to see you, it's the law. I know a guy who has no medical insurance & was in very bad shape (drugs & alcohol), was seen right away (as fast as any hospital can move anyway), spent at least a month in the hospital, got better, went home, and no bills.


Funny i do not have any of those problems. just got back yesterday from having a nuclear heart scan at a VA hospital
Don't have medical insurance try walking into a state hospital if you need one and see how long it would take.
hospitals are only required to give life saving treatment if you don't have insurance other wise they send you home and hope you die there before you come back.

Care at VA hospitals, The one i go to is staffed by doctors from UCLA and is used as a training hospital.

I had a heart attack in 2006 and walked into the VA hospital emergency room.
there angioplasty rooms were in use. did i have to wait not they put me into ambulance and ran me to UCLA.
I had a top cardiologist from UCLA that had been on duty at the VA do my angioplasty.
The next day i was transferred back to the VA hospital.
13 days and a lot of test later i had a 5 way bypass done by another top cardiac surgeon and a week later i walked out and got in my car and drove home.

I worked for over 35 years as a EMT and i have seen the inside of a number of hospitals and will go to the VA any day over most of them.

I will not go to the hospital where i live unless there is no way i can get to the VA.
and as a service connected disabled veteran the VA would pay for emergency treatment at my local hospital anyway.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by illuminatislave
Don't you tea party folks want people that cannot afford healthcare to die, correct?

Yeah because a much lower income tax, no more wars and less money towards all these Govt. agencies means they will have even less money to afford healthcare right?

In your CURRENT socialist system there's no vets that are dying because of lack of healthcare, there's no vets in Canada living in the streets.

What? You just want them to DIEEEE And Live on the streets?????????
See.. I can do that too

It requires zero intelligence



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 02:07 PM
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But cutting medicaid and medicare along with other programs (which the tea party wants to do) that help the sick, poor and elderly is "just and moral"? I don't understand the reasoning behind this, sounds to me like selective outrage.
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posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by Chewingonmushrooms
But cutting medicaid and medicare along with other programs that help the sick, poor and elderly is "just and moral"? I don't understand the reasoning behind this, sounds to me like selective outrage.


It is selective outrage. These loons who claim to be pro American are really the most anti american people in the country, and they're full of # to boot.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 02:09 PM
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That's funny, my father has. But I'm glad to hear the VA hospital is different where you're from. I too am a vet, so if the day comes when I need to see a VA doctor I hope my experience is like yours and not like my fathers.


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posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by Swills
Veteran health care is a joke to begin with. It's on par with other socialist healthcare you hear about in countries like Canada. Get on a list to see a doctor at your not so local VA hospital. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. See doctor. Get prognosis. Go back on list. Continue to wait, wait, wait, wait.

On the flip side, in NY at least, if you have no medical insurance, no problem. Just go to any state run hospital and they have to see you, it's the law. I know a guy who has no medical insurance & was in very bad shape (drugs & alcohol), was seen right away (as fast as any hospital can move anyway), spent at least a month in the hospital, got better, went home, and no bills.


I call bull, I live in NYC and though you are right that a person can go to any city hospital without insurance, there is no way that they would be able to spend a month in one and not charged a dime. The only way that would be possible is if he qualified for emergency medicaid. Otherwise he would have to pay depending on his income through scale pricing. I work in a city hospital btw.
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posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by illuminatislave
Don't you tea party folks want people that cannot afford healthcare to die, correct?

Yeah because a much lower income tax, no more wars and less money towards all these Govt. agencies means they will have even less money to afford healthcare right?



I'm just going by your group's position, if you cannot handle the criticism find a new lemming movement to walk yourself off of a cliff with.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by Chewingonmushrooms

Originally posted by Swills
Veteran health care is a joke to begin with. It's on par with other socialist healthcare you hear about in countries like Canada. Get on a list to see a doctor at your not so local VA hospital. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. See doctor. Get prognosis. Go back on list. Continue to wait, wait, wait, wait.

On the flip side, in NY at least, if you have no medical insurance, no problem. Just go to any state run hospital and they have to see you, it's the law. I know a guy who has no medical insurance & was in very bad shape (drugs & alcohol), was seen right away (as fast as any hospital can move anyway), spent at least a month in the hospital, got better, went home, and no bills.


I call bull, I live in NYC and though you are right that a person can go to any city hospital without insurance, there is no way that they would be able to spend a month in one and not charged a dime. The only way that would be possible is if he qualified for emergency medicaid. Otherwise he would have to pay depending on his income through scale pricing. I work in a city hospital btw.
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You can assume all you want but it is 100% true. Funny thing too, my grandmother was going to the same hospital for cancer treatment, and her only insurance is Medicare, or whatever seniors get from the Gov't, and because she has insurance she gets billed, even though she can't afford it. The insurance will cover only so much and she's left to pick up the rest. Meanwhile, the family friend I discussed earlier doesn't have to pay dime because he had no insurance. My mother works in this very same hospital, btw.

True story
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posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 02:16 PM
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There goes RP again, making sense. What a frakking loon he is with all that logic and critical thinking skills that obviously escape most Americans.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 02:25 PM
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Did he qualify for emergency medicaid? Again if he didn't then he would have got billed (most likely mailed). As to whether he decided to pay for it is a different matter altogether. And assuming your story is true, then why hasn't your mother simply dropped her medicare and gotten her health services for free? If it was really that simple why wouldn't you advise her to do the same?
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posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 02:33 PM
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The Obama plan proposes a $200 annual fee for retired military families who want to continue coverage under a Tricare-for-Life program that supplements Medicare coverage for veterans over 65. The proposal would save the government $6.7 billion over 10 years, according to the White House.

Seems like peanuts to me in this day and age. $4 a week.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 02:39 PM
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Tell that to a homeless vet or ones who can hardly make ends meet. $4 a day can mean the difference between eating that day or not for many people in this day and age.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 02:44 PM
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He said 4$ a week not 4$ a day which is a big difference. Not that I agree with the cut in the first place, but 200 a year is relatively cheap compared to 200$ a week that some insurance companies charge.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 02:54 PM
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I am a wife of a retire marine, we have human tricare, that is the government subsidized health care, the insurance is not free, yes is less than what the big insurance monopoly are charging this days and then gouge the consumer with deductibles and out of pocket expenses.

Our tricare has been good to us, I had in the last 10 years 3 surgeries, cost to me, no more than 100 dollars.

But now, the government wants to increase the premiums.

Sadly we have our government spending trillions of dollars on crap while this nation keeps going slowly but surely down the toilet.

Now even the seniors are going to get the short end of the deal with medicare as that is one of the cuts to be made under the deficit debt reduction of Obama.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 03:05 PM
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Wrong! I have Military health care, I get through my Grandfather(long story) who served 20 years in the Navy and Naval Reserves. Theres no wait list, you just go to hospital get checked out and then bill Tri-Care. Who pays 90-100%. Now, I'm not sure if this works for every branch of the military.

And he should get that healthcare. He severed 20 years fighting for this country. All our men and women in who served deserve to be taken care of. Whether you agree with the wars they fought in, or not. They still put their time and lives on the line doing something that most of us wouldn't do for our country.

Bring our troops, end the wars, stop the spending over aboard, and cut back on the Government. Whatever you do treat our veterans with the respect they deserve. They went and bleed for those crap wars our Government started. I'm not asking for hero's welcoming all I'm asking for is that they get taken care of, thats the least we can do for them.


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posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 03:08 PM
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Tbh, I don't know his exact details and it's not my business to bring it up with him. What I do know is he doesn't have to pay a dime & that information is correct. My mother wasn't the one getting cancer treatment (she does work at the very same hospital though), it was my grandmother, and she was getting the treatment the same time our friend was in the hospital, so the outcome wasn't known until all was said and done. Either way though, my grandmother isn't the type to scheme and look too have others (tax payers) flip her medical bill. Now I suppose we can make the argument that tax payers are already paying for her via her insurance but lets not forget she's paid and continues to pay the same taxes we all pay. So she will pay what she can to the hospital but unfortunately she will be gone from this planet before those bills ever get fully paid. I tell her not to pay them



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