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An understanding of Islam ,from a convert

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posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 12:22 PM
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Please bare with me its my first thread ,forgive me for any spelling or grammar errors .




No one can deny that Islam is very much in the spotlight today. in spite of extremely negative portrayals by Western media (or perhaps because of them). increasing numbers of people are seeking to find out more about it . And more often then not ,they are being pleasantly surprised by the fruits of their research. In fact ,more people are embracing Islam today than they did prior to September 11,2001. However,there does remain a great deal of misconception and misunderstanding on the subject,frequently fueled by political policies which deem it in their interest to support Islam's enemies.In addition, Muslims themselves,at first shocked and confused by the events of recent years, did not really know how to respond to the challenge, now they have been rudely awakened to the urgency of refuting the many false claims and accusations being spread against their way of life and of defending the truth,and accordingly , the rights and honor of Muslims everywhere on earth. ....[from page i in the Foreward
I hope that this enlighten a few members .Thank you so much for your time

Brother Shamil Abdullah

ok please forgive me i had no idea , but i am using a book from Saheeh International to answer questions , and my plan is over time post and answer the 50 common questions in the book and also sector in some of my research , many thanks
barrryedwards87.webs.com...


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posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by ShamilAbdullah

Muslims are of diverse nationalities ,cultures and races,but their religion teaches that all men and woman are essentially equal and that no distinction should be made color ,class status or personal beliefs as long as they remain peaceful and law-abiding citizens.


You are joking right? Women are no where close to being equal, and God help you if you happen to be a Gay Muslim. (Oh, wait they don't exist...do they?)

Nice avatar....Muslim jibberish and underneath a sword. Very peaceful.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by Carseller4

Originally posted by ShamilAbdullah

Muslims are of diverse nationalities ,cultures and races,but their religion teaches that all men and woman are essentially equal and that no distinction should be made color ,class status or personal beliefs as long as they remain peaceful and law-abiding citizens.


You are joking right? Women are no where close to being equal, and God help you if you happen to be a Gay Muslim. (Oh, wait they don't exist...do they?)

Nice avatar....Muslim jibberish and underneath a sword. Very peaceful.


No . No i am not joking , Yes the woman are indeed equal , please do your research

and that "jibberish " you speak of is not Muslim , its called Arabic ?



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 12:40 PM
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posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 12:42 PM
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thank you buster ,you have more courage then i



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 12:53 PM
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Nice avatar....Muslim jibberish and underneath a sword. Very peaceful.
Very subtle
Is that diplomatic talk down there in Texas?



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 12:53 PM
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Gosh I don't know how to ask this without sounding like I'm trolling so I'm just going to ask and please know that these really are honest questions and not accusatory ones
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Why do the women have to be covered with only eyes and fingertips showing? Plus walking behind the men, etc, if they are equal?

Why are the men allowed to have mulitple wives, but if a woman wants to have multiple husbands she's a jezabelle (lol sorry this was the only word I could think of without breaking T & C)?

Why is it considered the woman's 'shame' if she is raped? It's not like they wanted it to happen, so why do they get the punishment?

If it teaches tolerance, why must all the nonbelievers of the Muslim faith be called infidels and killed?

Again, PLEASE, PLEASE, don't think I'm knocking your faith at all. These are just questions I've been wanting to ask someone of the Muslim faith and you offered lol. Heck, I'll be the first to admit that I may have a huge misunderstanding of the religion, so please correct me if neccessary, this is just stuff I've 'heard through the grapevine' if you will.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by Carseller4

Originally posted by ShamilAbdullah

Muslims are of diverse nationalities ,cultures and races,but their religion teaches that all men and woman are essentially equal and that no distinction should be made color ,class status or personal beliefs as long as they remain peaceful and law-abiding citizens.


You are joking right? Women are no where close to being equal, and God help you if you happen to be a Gay Muslim. (Oh, wait they don't exist...do they?)

Nice avatar....Muslim jibberish and underneath a sword. Very peaceful.


Islam teaches women are equal but different. (Consider getting jumped by two big men, and the only a single person can help you -- would you want the savior to be male or female? Likely you realize that even though the woman is equal to the man, her strengths and weaknesses are different from the man's. In Islam, the dress is different, but still equal...both genders have to cover up certain areas of the body (the woman wears a head scarf and a long outer garment, the man wears a beard and doesn't uncover the flesh below his navel down to the part past the knee).

And yes, gay Muslims are very hard to find because Islam, like Christianity -- another major religion in the world -- teaches that homosexuality is wrong. So, a gay Muslim would be perpetually living in sin OR he would discontinue to be a Muslim because he feels that his sin is not really a sin, thus creating his own beliefs and leaving Islam.

I love learning about different religions, and it helps me stay away from sounding ignorant when I speak. I even like to learn about different spiritual beliefs that originate in popular culture but somehow get mixed up in actual religions. It's definitely an amazing subject.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 12:57 PM
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...do I see the standard muslim defense? Let me tell you this: two wrongs do not make a right.

I have no doubt that the muslims are a very devout (if not the most) people.
What saddens me beyond belief is that your devotion is mislead.

I see we are not worthy of a greeting, what is your reason?

-nevertheless, may God's peace and mercy be upon you.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 01:08 PM
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You may want to consider abiding by the terms and conditions of this website. Your post was copied from
Source without attribution or link.

As for the book itself, this is not the time for me to get into a discussion of its details. My overall impression was that it was vague, fluffy, overdone, and frightening; sort of like the Sta-Puft marshmallow man from Ghostbusters.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 01:12 PM
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Im not aware, because I haven't done the research but do majority christian nations still stone and kill Gay men and Women adulterers in the streets?

Cause I think that could be the problem people have with islam?



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 01:14 PM
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whos on about other religions here? this thread is about islam. no? don`t justify a wrong by saying well somebody else does it to. that is pure ignorance. i say bin them all outdated barbarism and superstition

and yes a agree the sword in the OPs avatar screams peace who cares what language its in



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by believingskeptic
And yes, gay Muslims are very hard to find because Islam, like Christianity -- another major religion in the world -- teaches that homosexuality is wrong. So, a gay Muslim would be perpetually living in sin OR he would discontinue to be a Muslim because he feels that his sin is not really a sin, thus creating his own beliefs and leaving Islam.
your not allowed to leave islam so no he wont be creating his own beliefs he will be dieing a brutal death for his crime of not wanting to submit to the will of allah. thats how it works no compramise just do as your told or die



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by benrl
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Im not aware, because I haven't done the research but do majority christian nations still stone and kill Gay men and Women adulterers in the streets?

Cause I think that could be the problem people have with islam?


I don't think any Christian nations even exist anymore, except for Uganda, which was also planning on making homosexuality punishable by death a year or so ago.

Nowadays, countries moved away from religion. America, most of Europe, etc. are all non-Christian countries. In fact, one of the major driving forces in establishing the USA was to fight against Christianity's rule over people. But if there were any true Christian countries nowadays, I'd put my money on it that they'd be stoning everyone from homosexuals to Jews to people who believe in aliens. Let's not forget our history just a few hundred years ago before Christianity was virtually wiped out of modern culture by secular philosophies.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by Ranthenae
Gosh I don't know how to ask this without sounding like I'm trolling so I'm just going to ask and please know that these really are honest questions and not accusatory ones
.

Why do the women have to be covered with only eyes and fingertips showing? Plus walking behind the men, etc, if they are equal?

Why are the men allowed to have mulitple wives, but if a woman wants to have multiple husbands she's a jezabelle (lol sorry this was the only word I could think of without breaking T & C)?

Why is it considered the woman's 'shame' if she is raped? It's not like they wanted it to happen, so why do they get the punishment?

If it teaches tolerance, why must all the nonbelievers of the Muslim faith be called infidels and killed?

Again, PLEASE, PLEASE, don't think I'm knocking your faith at all. These are just questions I've been wanting to ask someone of the Muslim faith and you offered lol. Heck, I'll be the first to admit that I may have a huge misunderstanding of the religion, so please correct me if neccessary, this is just stuff I've 'heard through the grapevine' if you will.


Yes, ill try and answer them the best i can , but keep in mind you must decipher what is coulter and what is religion regarding your questions .

from page 69, #42
barrryedwards87.webs.com...


Why does Islam keep a woman behind the veil? The Islamic Veil or "Hijab" refers to the loose-fitting, opaque outer graments with witch a Muslim woman covers her ead and body. Muslim woman cover themselves with such garments before all men apart from their closest relatives.They do not do so to please their fathers,brothers,or husbands, but only because God has ordained it . In reality ,Islam did not introduce modest dress but merely endorsed it as a part of God's religion. yet, dress is only one aspect of a totle concept "Hijab" is not merely a concealing garment but invludes proper behavior ,manners,speech and appearance in public. in order to accept any law or instruction , a person needs either to be convinced of the nenefit behind it ot to trust in the wisdom of the one who prescribed it . Muslims believe that the wisdom of God is absolute and perfect and that He knows the nature and best intrests of His creations (makind included ) netter then they do themselves ; thus, a believer willingly obeys God's directives as much as he or she is able . To some , the matter of woman's dress might seem trivial. Islam ,however, assigns to it moral,social and legal dimensions.When women observe the proper Islamic dress , they protect their own honor and reputation and contribute greatly twards peace and order in society . Modesty is a virtue witch Islam demands of both men and women , not only protection of women bu to maintain the spiritual uprightness of men , In view of the sexual anarchy that prevails in many parts of the world , the nedd for modest dress and behavior in both men and women is obvious. However on account of differences between males and females in nature and temperament , a greater amount of privacy is required for woman then for men , and this relates , among other things ,to their manner of dress Islam has no fixed standard as to the style of dress or type of clothing that must be worn .However ,it must be wide and thick enough as not to reveal the contours of the figure. Muslim women are responsible for making their homes attractive and comfortable , and Islam encourages a woman to beautify herself for her husband and immediate family members rather than publicly exhibiting her physical charms and worldly possessions. Muslim women who cover themselves do not find it impractical or interfering with activities in the various fields of life. It is often forgotten that the modern Western style of dress is recent phenomenon . Looking at the clothing of women as recently as seventy years ago, we see that it is similar to the dress prescribed by Islam. Those hard -working , active Western women were not at all inhibited by their long,full dresses and head coverings . The covering of women's bodies is not a logical basis on witch to claim that women are subservient to men . It would be far more appropriate to charge a society with exploitation of females when it tolerates pornography rather than when it encourages modesty . Its is ironic that the uncontested freedom is granted to thoes who choose to publicly expose much of their bodies ,while severe censure is launched against women who consider that modest covering is a religious obligation that cannot be disregarded.


ill touch more on this subject later , and also ill answer your other questions too .But for now i must get back to work


thanks much
Brother Shamil

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posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 03:07 PM
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Where is the conspiracy?



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 04:44 PM
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See? You do learn something everyday. I honestly thought that it was some oppression thing/man being better than a woman. Interesting...gives you something to think about. Thank you!



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by Ranthenae
See? You do learn something everyday. I honestly thought that it was some oppression thing/man being better than a woman. Interesting...gives you something to think about. Thank you!


thank you for at least trying to learn , ill see if i can answer the rest of your questions tonight , i have to do it in such a way as to not post everything out of the book



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 05:24 PM
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I started reading, but stopped at "God had ordained it". No, Mohammed ordained it. Big difference. To the best of my knowledge, the only thing that could supposedly ever truly be linked materially to God was the tablets on which He wrote the 10 commandments, and some moron somehow lost those.

Men with an agenda writing books and calling them the word of God does not make them the word of God.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 05:25 PM
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Thats a nice flag of war you got there,
a great emblem from the religion of peace.



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