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China warns against US veto of Palestinian state

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posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 12:17 AM
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China paper warns US against Palestinian UN veto

A Chinese state-run newspaper on Friday warned of a spike in tensions in the Middle East if the United States vetoed the Palestinian bid for membership of the United Nations next week.

"If the US chooses to fly in the face of world opinion and block the Palestine UN bid next week, not only will Israel become more isolated but tensions in the region will be heightened even more," said the China Daily.

"The majority of the international community deems an independent state as the inalienable right of the Palestinians," the English-language daily said in an editorial, echoing Beijing's official position on the issue.


China is just warning that blocking a statehood for Palestine will only create problems and instability and that the US should listen TO THE WORLD and NOT listen to Israel.

The entire world wants a Palestine. Except the US government and the Israeli government. Not to mention all the self determination Obama CLAIMS to support while he doesn't support a Palestine. Hypocritical are we?

Time to tell AIPAC to shut up already. Instead of promoting conflict and separation, AIPAC and the Israeli government should SUPPORT a Palestinian state and do economic deals with them.

Thing is, between the crazies in the Israeli government and the Hamas right now, forget it.
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posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 12:19 AM
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Oh no. All of a sudden China has political and economic leverage. I wonder what path we are traveling down here. One does not need prophetic ability to understand whats happening.



posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 12:21 AM
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The entire world doesn't "want" a Palestine. Arabs, Egyptians, Syrians, and Jordanians in Gaza and the West Bank want a Palestine. Most countries just aren't against it.

/TOA



posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 12:22 AM
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damn i was hoping that china was making a threat against the us if they did it
i cant wait till china invaids the us



posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 12:23 AM
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Man this sucks. The world is finally starting to push the US back a little bit, and we all know what that means. The young kids on the block arent afraid of the big bully any more. First they start talking back, then they throw punches, and before you know it, the bully is down on the ground with a bloody nose and a busted lip.

We had a chance to not be the bully, to open up a new age of world prosperity and co-operation; instead, some greedy people sold out their country within a span of 60 years and tried to rape the world.

Now those greedy people will get to retire somewhere and their families will be taken care of, while the American people suffer...and indeed, vote to help those that did it to them.

God bless America.



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posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 12:28 AM
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sorry man
but its just the way the world works
your people are just as insignificant to me as the puny countries your government invades
its for the good of the world and earth



posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 12:28 AM
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It's past time for a Palestinian state. Israel had its chance to incorporate Palestinians as citizen and they didn't. Instead they created an apartheid and used their military might to cause great oppression. This does not excuse Palestinians attacks on civilians nor do these attacks excuse Israel's subjection of their neighbors.

It's time for a real Palestine.



posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 01:21 AM
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I think the chinese assessment of a potential US veto is accurate.
Most countries and political experts conclude the same. However the assessment is not conclusive, a veto would have additional detrimental effects on the US, Israel and the UN not reflected in the chinese official position.

A correct assessment should not be understood as flexing. The fact that many here confuse this as a power display just shows how persistently the aggressive perspective on world politics prevails among the common US population.



posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 01:56 AM
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I find it humorous that the United States invades sovereign countries, over throws their governments. And decides these people NEED democracy because we said so. Now the Palestinians want their own state and the U.S. is threatening to veto the motion. Seem like the Palestinians need to find a reason for the U.S. to invade, then they would have a shot at statehood!



posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 01:59 AM
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Originally posted by TheHistorian
I find it humorous that the United States invades sovereign countries, over throws their governments. And decides these people NEED democracy because we said so. Now the Palestinians want their own state and the U.S. is threatening to veto the motion. Seem like the Palestinians need to find a reason for the U.S. to invade, then they would have a shot at statehood!

the nail just got hit on its head..
the us is the worst when it comes to contradiciton..



posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 04:05 AM
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Good, let the people of Palestine have a country....



posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 08:19 AM
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The Chinese maybe need to sort out Tibet before lecturing anybody.

secondline



posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 02:29 PM
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How soon they forget...



posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 02:43 PM
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I have only read part of your opening post.
As for me and my house we stand behind Israel!



posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 02:45 PM
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The plan is for tensions to increase in the middle east, which is why the US is so belligerent in their stance against Palestine. This is the plan for world war 3.



posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 02:46 PM
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What is crazy, is thinking of shrimp fried rice with baba gonush.

That was my satire.

No this is a serious issue and I don't blame the real Jews, I blame the zionist. in anyrate they are all atheist.



posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 02:49 PM
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China is just warning that blocking a statehood for Palestine will only create problems and instability and that the US should listen TO THE WORLD and NOT listen to Israel. The entire world wants a Palestine. Except the US government and the Israeli government.


That's not correct. But at this point, it really doesn't matter because China, as well as any nation, understands the ramifications of a forced Palestinian state. There will be further war, more bloodshed and no peace.

The ideal way of doing this is to find a way to bring both sides to a middle point where both can agree on the outlines of such an outcome. But we are into politics now and what is right and wrongs mean less than simply getting one's way.

Israel and Palestine have both lived alongside one another and killed one another for over a thousand years. We don't recognize or respect that because of our political preferences. But it remains despite what we want it to otherwise be.

Curiously, many of the young political ideologues here could end up in uniform if this plays out as it might. They will be there defending the very nation they've been trained to attack.



posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 05:51 PM
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The Chinese have used their veto on a number of occasions for their own particular political purposes that flew in the face of what was right for other countries just as we have stood by Israel at times when it should have been scolded instead of supported, or perhaps other countries as well. Same goes for Russia. And probably to a lesser extent, as far as I know, with Britain and France. It's true that overall world opinion supports the Palestinians in their desire for a country of their own, so we would be bucking world opinion in using our veto. But I don't see China supporting human rights in MOST cases, only a few where they stand to gain, somehow. Not exactly humanitarians. How much of their new great wealth has gone to disaster support or military intervention in support of people? How much money has the US given in aid over the years? NO COMPARISON! They are using this opportunity to scold us. Pretty much the pot calling the kettle black, if you ask me.
But........ both Israel and the Palestinians treat each other very poorly. AND, the Palestinians treat themselves very poorly! BILLIONS of dollars have been contributed to their cause but they seem to spend most of it on corrupt officials (have you seen Arafat's villa in France, where his widow resides now?), weapons that generally do little more than piss off the Israelis and now and then kill a few people, and supporting a Hamas regime that crushes any opposition. Hardly a democratic society once they were put into office.
Frankly, I thought the initial creation of Israel was wrong. Victors of WW1, europeans at that,dividing up the former Ottoman Empire among themselves, deciding after WW2 and possibly guilty feelings about the Holocaust, and creating a new country that would surely piss off most if not all of the arabic landholders and residents of the area at the time Yes, it was once the kingdom of the Jews, but that was ancient history, and by that measure, most all borders and countries would be changed. At what time in history to we say borders and rulers should be returned to? Should we restore the Picts, the Gauls, the Romans, the Babylonians, the Mongols, the Tatars, the Austro-Hungarian Empires? The Native Americans of North and South America? So, naturally, there are a lot of angry people who lost self rule and title to land. But, its defacto. Israel is a nation. Also a nation with neighbors that want it gone. To the point that they invaded. And LOST! And Israel increased it's lands by winning wars in which they were invaded rather than them seeking new territories by invading other countries. So to me, its sour grapes on the part of the people that lost the war which they started. To the winner go the spoils. Right? That IS how history works!!!!!!!!! Do I wish they could "all just get along"? Sure. Unlikely as that may be. And unless they do so, troubles won't go away. But when you have Hezbollah, Hamas, Iran, Syria, the new regimes in Egypt and Libya, who knows what the future brings? More animosity it seems. The treaties that created the peace or stalemate between Israel and Egypt and Jordan may be gone. But also remember, there is no tribe of Palestinians. They are not a People, per se. They had ties to the land, generations of history, but are not a different people than those that inhabited other areas nearby. It was less than a century ago that the Ottoman Empire ruled the whole area and created its own regions. Then the Europeans won the war and created other new regions and borders and countries. There were no Iraqis as there was no Iraq. Saudi Arabians as there was no Saudi Arabia. There were many, many tribes occupying many different areas.
IF the Palestinians deserve their own country..... how about the Kurds? THEY are actually a distinct group of people different than those around them, with a strong history. Why is there no outcry to create a country for them too? Just a point to make a point. They seem to have more rights to a country than the Palestinians. Again, I think the creation of Israel may have been shortsighted and made little sense when we don't do it for other peoples, and has created a great deal of friction in the world. I applaud, however, the Israeli people for their ability to create a cohesive society amid all their enemies, though they couldn't have done it without a great deal of support, no doubt. Yet here we are, in a position of either creating ANOTHER nation where one didn't exist, within or bordering on a country that was also created. Should one exist and not another? A huge dilemma with even larger ramifications!



posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 05:56 PM
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Who are the Chinese to tell us or warn us about anything?

Not that I'm against Palestianian independence, it's just that china should look at themselves before they throw stones.
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