reply to post by Vitchilo
The Chinese have used their veto on a number of occasions for their own particular political purposes that flew in the face of what was right for
other countries just as we have stood by Israel at times when it should have been scolded instead of supported, or perhaps other countries as well.
Same goes for Russia. And probably to a lesser extent, as far as I know, with Britain and France. It's true that overall world opinion supports the
Palestinians in their desire for a country of their own, so we would be bucking world opinion in using our veto. But I don't see China supporting
human rights in MOST cases, only a few where they stand to gain, somehow. Not exactly humanitarians. How much of their new great wealth has gone to
disaster support or military intervention in support of people? How much money has the US given in aid over the years? NO COMPARISON! They are
using this opportunity to scold us. Pretty much the pot calling the kettle black, if you ask me.
But........ both Israel and the Palestinians treat each other very poorly. AND, the Palestinians treat themselves very poorly! BILLIONS of
dollars have been contributed to their cause but they seem to spend most of it on corrupt officials (have you seen Arafat's villa in France, where
his widow resides now?), weapons that generally do little more than piss off the Israelis and now and then kill a few people, and supporting a Hamas
regime that crushes any opposition. Hardly a democratic society once they were put into office.
Frankly, I thought the initial creation of Israel was wrong. Victors of WW1, europeans at that,dividing up the former Ottoman Empire among
themselves, deciding after WW2 and possibly guilty feelings about the Holocaust, and creating a new country that would surely piss off most if not all
of the arabic landholders and residents of the area at the time Yes, it was once the kingdom of the Jews, but that was ancient history, and by that
measure, most all borders and countries would be changed. At what time in history to we say borders and rulers should be returned to? Should we
restore the Picts, the Gauls, the Romans, the Babylonians, the Mongols, the Tatars, the Austro-Hungarian Empires? The Native Americans of North and
South America? So, naturally, there are a lot of angry people who lost self rule and title to land. But, its defacto. Israel is a nation. Also a
nation with neighbors that want it gone. To the point that they invaded. And LOST! And Israel increased it's lands by winning wars in which they
were invaded rather than them seeking new territories by invading other countries. So to me, its sour grapes on the part of the people that lost the
war which they started. To the winner go the spoils. Right? That IS how history works!!!!!!!!! Do I wish they could "all just get along"?
Sure. Unlikely as that may be. And unless they do so, troubles won't go away. But when you have Hezbollah, Hamas, Iran, Syria, the new regimes in
Egypt and Libya, who knows what the future brings? More animosity it seems. The treaties that created the peace or stalemate between Israel and
Egypt and Jordan may be gone. But also remember, there is no tribe of Palestinians. They are not a People, per se. They had ties to the land,
generations of history, but are not a different people than those that inhabited other areas nearby. It was less than a century ago that the Ottoman
Empire ruled the whole area and created its own regions. Then the Europeans won the war and created other new regions and borders and countries.
There were no Iraqis as there was no Iraq. Saudi Arabians as there was no Saudi Arabia. There were many, many tribes occupying many different areas.
IF the Palestinians deserve their own country..... how about the Kurds? THEY are actually a distinct group of people different than those around
them, with a strong history. Why is there no outcry to create a country for them too? Just a point to make a point. They seem to have more rights
to a country than the Palestinians. Again, I think the creation of Israel may have been shortsighted and made little sense when we don't do it for
other peoples, and has created a great deal of friction in the world. I applaud, however, the Israeli people for their ability to create a cohesive
society amid all their enemies, though they couldn't have done it without a great deal of support, no doubt. Yet here we are, in a position of
either creating ANOTHER nation where one didn't exist, within or bordering on a country that was also created. Should one exist and not another? A
huge dilemma with even larger ramifications!