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I dont know if feminism is the first step in a huge plot to take control of people. Feminism is about relinquishing control of people.
Half the population was abused and dominated by the other half...for CENTURIES.
Its a big step to say that because women deserve equal rights that we are being led like sheep to the slaughter. In fact, theres not even a step it. Its a leap in logic.
But youre right about not handing down OUR values to our children. I do believe in a plot to wrestle control of the family from the family and putting it in the hands of corporations and governments. After all, the leaders of corporations and governments are generally power monger psychopaths. They want to control EVERYTHING, not just the family.
And feminism may have been promoted in the media by the leaders because of its potential to divide and conquer. It doesnt matter what people are arguing about as long as they're arguing they'll be too busy with each other to deal with the conquerers.
Originally posted by doctornamtab
But thats the thing. Control. It seems like women who want to be "strong" women have to act like a controlling male in order to make them feel "equal" to men (who are supposed to be the strong ones). But these same strong, alpha female women, who are so proud to say they dont need a man, constantly act like the men they profess to reject. They become what they hate because they imitate what they hate.
So its not the repression in the strong partner that causes the loss of control. Its repression in the weak partner that gets overcome when they cant stand being controlled anymore. The weak partner overcomes the repression of their OWN feelings, the feelings they put in the back seat to the controlling partners feelings. So, maybe the problem isnt with male-female stereotypes because those are breaking down. What we're talking about isnt the difference in gender or even social perceptions of that gender. What we have is a struggle between the controlled and the controller. It can be man-woman, woman-man, man-man, woman-woman, whatever really. No relationship works when one is controlled and the other is controller (yes even grand social relationshps like the ruler and the ruled, politician and citizen, etc)
So we're really not talking about men and women, we're talking about how men and women act in relationships. Some act more controlling and we attribute the word "manly" to controlling, dominant people. When people are meek and giving we call it "womanly". Its not about gender, its about gender roles and mainly how control fits into the relationship.edit on 9-9-2011 by doctornamtab because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by doctornamtab
So its not the repression in the strong partner that causes the loss of control. Its repression in the weak partner that gets overcome when they cant stand being controlled anymore. The weak partner overcomes the repression of their OWN feelings, the feelings they put in the back seat to the controlling partners feelings.
Originally posted by doctornamtab
Women seem to be guided toward acting dumb and shy because they think men want the kitchen wife. Or something. Who knows what women want? By the OP even women themselves dont know what they want.
Originally posted by MasterGemini
reply to post by Bluesma
Well as you were pregnant this does not apply to you, but don't forget birth control.
Birth control as a primary effect stops a woman form menstruating which usually releases hormones that make them attracted to more "manly" men.
On birth control women menstruate much less and therefore are attracted to more feminine men during that time.
Long periods of time without menstruating leaves the Manly-Man at a disadvantage to Wo-Man in attracting women.
Now I am too lazy to go look right now but there is good evidence suggesting is the case.
Originally posted by Bluesma
Originally posted by MasterGemini
reply to post by Bluesma
Well as you were pregnant this does not apply to you, but don't forget birth control.
Birth control as a primary effect stops a woman form menstruating which usually releases hormones that make them attracted to more "manly" men.
On birth control women menstruate much less and therefore are attracted to more feminine men during that time.
Long periods of time without menstruating leaves the Manly-Man at a disadvantage to Wo-Man in attracting women.
Now I am too lazy to go look right now but there is good evidence suggesting is the case.
I didn't know that!
Originally posted by doctornamtab
reply to post by ErtaiNaGia
I dont know if feminism is the first step in a huge plot to take control of people. Feminism is about relinquishing control of people. Half the population was abused and dominated by the other half...for CENTURIES. Its a big step to say that because women deserve equal rights that we are being led like sheep to the slaughter. In fact, theres not even a step it. Its a leap in logic.
edit on 9-9-2011 by doctornamtab because: (no reason given)