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Originally posted by CaptGizmo
LOL it will create more jobs??? Oh thats right sure it will. It will create jobs for people to count all the additional money the Big oil companies will get and then put people to work from other countries. Screw them. I say NO, NO, NO!
Originally posted by BillfromCovina
reply to post by Nucleardiver
How many more jobs would it create to make every home in this country energy independent? Solar, geothermal, wind and other sources can already supply all our needs without a new energy source. How many people would that employ? How come we can create rovers that can travel all over mars for years without refueling, yet can only travel a few hundred miles in cars? People complain that it is too expensive but this is not true. If you add in all the subsidizes, tax breaks, wars and cleanup, it is much more expensive to keep going the way we are.
Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by Fractured.Facade
You forgot one more thing, about government, is run by special interest and corruption, so anybody that believe our government is still for the people and by the people are for a crude awakening.
Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
reply to post by marg6043
Not only does creating jobs through government funded projects add to the debt, it ultimately provides no real return, so it is a loss...It is a false economy, one that millions are living in now, either working for companies that have government contracts, or dependent on government, unemployment etc.
Obama is desperately seeking an easy fix to a simple problem, and he is doing it all the most complex and wrong ways.
Government is the problem... Get it out of our way, and freedom and liberty alone will take it from there.
Government is too big, too powerful and is through its massive size and scope, spending, regulations, taxes, restrictions, legislation etc has and is squeezing the life out of this nation and economy.
It is probably too late to do anything about it now, had to happen on someone's watch, too bad, Obama seemed like a nice guy.
Originally posted by Nucleardiver
You do realize that most of the components for our everyday life come from petroleum byproducts? The plasitcs that go into making components for the windmills, solar panels, computers, rockets, spacesuits, clothes, computers, and even cars. Look at any car sitting in a parking lot or driving down the road and look at all the plastics that are in them. Those plastics are the left over remains from the refinery process, that is why plastics are in everything. It is a means to "dispose" of the refinery byproducts.
So let's say we stop refining fuels from petroleum and start refining plastics only, then what do we do to dispose of the byproduct that remains which will be mostly the lighter crude run-off that makes up fuel. While we may have a rover that has travelled on mars off of solar power you need to take into account the number of years they have been there since January 2004, and the distance they have traveled. Spirit has traveled 7,528 meters (4.7 miles) and Opportunity has traveled 11,671.23 (7.25 miles). Also to consider is the electrical requirement to run the rovers and how long they have sat dead because of no power. And you are complaining about getting a few hundred miles on one charge in an electric car, which can go that distance in a couple of hours?
While I support alternative energy sources it is also a matter of cost and logistics. A friend of mine here in Fl took his home off the grid last year, he has 57 batteries with power inverter and solar panels and still has to use a diesel generator that runs 3-4 hours a day to keep the batteries up depending on his pwer use. He built a lot of his system himself since he retired from NASA as a power management engineer and his system still cost almost 75k to build. Where are people supposed to get the money to invest in this type of technology? That is the biggest problem with alternative energy resources, while they are green for the environment, they are hard on the green in your bank account.
Being a sailor I am all for wind power, I have 2 wind generators on my sailboat but none of the alternative resources we have now could sustain us at our present rate of consumption. It is all our current facilities can do to keep up with the demand.
Originally posted by JIMC5499
reply to post by BillfromCovina
When you figure out how to do it, let the rest of us know. It isn't as easy as you have been led to believe. Most of these systems are terribly inefficient and are subject to reliability issues. Then you have the environmental wackos who won't be happy until we are back to the Stone Age technologicaly.
Originally posted by elevatedone
I read this and thought, great, let's drill and create jobs, provide more oil and bring gas prices down.
Seems simple right?