Scientific Research on Solar System Brown Dwarf and Planet X.

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posted on Sep, 21 2011 @ 11:30 PM
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Originally posted by DJW001

"The atmosphere of brown dwarfs are similar to those of gas-giant planets like Jupiter."


Not all brown dwarfs have an atmosphere similar to Jupiter, and many brown dwarfs have a much lower temperature than Jupiter.


Originally posted by DJW001
That means that, like Jupiter, they reflect sunlight in the visible spectrum.


They do not, brown dwarfs are too cool to emit any light, and most can't be seen with regular telescopes, not even Hubble, that's why they can mostly be found in infrared spectrum.

There is even a theory that brown dwarfs could be the missing matter of the universe, and we just haven't been able to detect most of them.


The motion of the stars and galaxies are influenced by material which has not yet been detected. Much of this invisible dark matter, which astronomers call "missing mass", could be made up of brown dwarfs - objects whose mass is between twice that of Jupiter and the lower mass limit for nuclear reactions (0.08 times the mass of our sun).
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www.ipac.caltech.edu...




Originally posted by DJW001
Granted, a companion brown dwarf is much more distant than Jupiter, but it would form a faint image on any photograph with a long enough exposure.


It would not, thats why they are looking in the infrared spetrum, and astronomers will need about 2 years or more to investigate the images taken by WISE.



Originally posted by DJW001
There have been many complete sky surveys over the past few decades. If you compare them all, you would be able to discover such a planet by its conspicuous secular parallax.


First of all, and again, such a brown dwarf would not appear in the visible spectrum.

Second of all, and again, just because it hasn't been found it does not refute the fact that there is ample evidence that says it exists.

Do you understand what an "unknown gravitational field in our Solar System" means?


Originally posted by DJW001
When you do this, you will have actual evidence and I will personally petition NASA to task Hubble to confirm the discovery.


Ah, so you have personal control over the tasks that NASA gives to the Hubble telescope?...
Not to mention AGAIN, that you need an infrared telescope like WISE to even TRY to find such a body.
Not to mention, AGAIN, that the core of at least some brown dwarfs can be as cold, or warm, as the human body, which makes these even harder to find.

I have also presented evidence, many times over, that the Solar System has been getting an exponential increase in interstellar dust, from an outside source of course which is most probably the interstellar cloud which the Solar System is approaching/entering.


ESA sees stardust storms heading for Solar System

PRESS RELEASE
Date Released: Monday, August 18, 2003
Source: Artemis Society

Until ten years ago, most astronomers did not believe stardust could enter our Solar System. Then ESA's Ulysses spaceprobe discovered minute stardust particles leaking through the Sun's magnetic shield, into the realm of Earth and the other planets. Now, the same spaceprobe has shown that a flood of dusty particles is heading our way.
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What is surprising in this new Ulysses discovery is that the amount of stardust has continued to increase even after the solar activity calmed down and the magnetic field resumed its ordered shape in 2001.

Scientists believe that this is due to the way in which the polarity changed during solar maximum. Instead of reversing completely, flipping north to south, the Sun's magnetic poles have only rotated at halfway and are now more or less lying sideways along the Sun's equator. This weaker configuration of the magnetic shield is letting in two to three times more stardust than at the end of the 1990s. Moreover, this influx could increase by as much as ten times until the end of the current solar cycle in 2012.

www.spaceref.com...



Originally posted by DJW001
Until you do that, all you are doing is making excuses for why you have no actual proof of your hypothesis. I am perfectly open to the possibility that such a body exists, it is you who have closed your mind to the possibility that it doesn't.


What you call excuses scientists call investigation and research. Maybe you should try it sometimes...
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posted on Sep, 21 2011 @ 11:34 PM
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I'll skip the point-to-point this time. All of your "evidence" is based on gravity determining the orbits of the planets. So... you admit that gravity is the most important factor at astronomical scales?



posted on Sep, 21 2011 @ 11:44 PM
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Originally posted by DJW001
"... but they are easier to observe because they are alone in space, away from the blinding light of a parent star." How exactly are you interpreting this statement, and how does it support your assertions?
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Humm, lets see... The Solar System has been getting a steady, and exponential increase in interstellar dust, which would make objets that are in the direction, or general area of this interstellar cloud harder to see in the visible spectrum because insterstellar dust does reflect light from our Sun, and such interstellar dust would also appear even in the infrared spectrum making very cold brown dwarfs very difficult to find in the general area of the interstellar cloud.

Can you add up the facts, or are you going to claim again that presenting facts are excuses?...

Obviously you have no idea what investigating and researching means, but anyway...



posted on Sep, 21 2011 @ 11:56 PM
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Originally posted by DJW001
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I'll skip the point-to-point this time. All of your "evidence" is based on gravity determining the orbits of the planets. So... you admit that gravity is the most important factor at astronomical scales?


All you have done is "skip" all the evidence, and then claim evidence, and facts are just excuses, this makes you a troll.

Gravity would suggest a large, or dense amount of mass, large, or dense enough to cause the anomalies in the Solar System, which again takes us back to what could have mass, or density enough to cause this unknown gravitational field which would be strong enough to affect the anomalies which are being affected by such unknown gravitational field?



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posted on Sep, 22 2011 @ 05:45 AM
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Humm, lets see... The Solar System has been getting a steady, and exponential increase in interstellar dust, which would make objets that are in the direction, or general area of this interstellar cloud harder to see in the visible spectrum because insterstellar dust does reflect light from our Sun, and such interstellar dust would also appear even in the infrared spectrum making very cold brown dwarfs very difficult to find in the general area of the interstellar cloud.


So if this cloud of dust is masking very close infra-red bodies in out own solar system, why can we detect even fainter infra-red objects much further away? SNIP
 


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posted on Sep, 22 2011 @ 05:49 AM
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Gravity would suggest a large, or dense amount of mass, large, or dense enough to cause the anomalies in the Solar System, which again takes us back to what could have mass, or density enough to cause this unknown gravitational field which would be strong enough to affect the anomalies which are being affected by such unknown gravitational field?


Yes, gravity keeps planets in their orbits. Gravity causes perturbations of these orbits. There are also some minor relativistic effects. One thing is certain, the "Electric Universe theory" cannot explain these things, correct?



posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 12:46 AM
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Op. I had invoked this topic here www.abovetopsecret.com...
Your reasearch into this topic is commendable
Good thread



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 05:19 PM
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Thanks for that. This information should be made readily available to anyone interested in the real subject about the brown dwarf and planet x in our Solar System.



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 06:15 PM
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I wanted to include some new information which has come out recently but has been posted by other members.

The following thread was started by Kozmo, so credit goes to him for finding this info.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

He links to a story by National geographics which discusses the facts found by yet another scientist which lead to the possible conclusion that there is at least another planet, 4 times bigger than Earth, in the fringes of the Solar System.

Here is part of the article.


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Mystery Planet a Captured Rogue?

For the new work, Gomes analyzed the orbits of 92 Kuiper belt objects, then compared his results to computer models of how the bodies should be distributed, with and without an additional planet.

If there's no distant world, Gomes concludes, the models don't produce the highly elongated orbits we see for six of the objects.

How big exactly the planetary body might be isn't clear, but there are a lot of possibilities, Gomes added.

Based on his calculations, Gomes thinks a Neptune-size world, about four times bigger than Earth, orbiting 140 billion miles (225 billion kilometers) away from the sun—about 1,500 times farther than Earth—would do the trick.
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news.nationalgeographic.com...



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by DJW001

So if this cloud of dust is masking very close infra-red bodies in out own solar system, why can we detect even fainter infra-red objects much further away? I think you need to work on your reading comprehension.


Thanks for the personal attack, perhaps I should respond with a similar personal attack?...

Instead of trying to insult you, like you tried to do with me, let me point you to this fact. Did the article, or I say that this interstellar cloud is surrounding the Solar System all 360 degrees?... No...the interstellar cloud is coming from ONE DIRECTION.

Those other objects which have been detected could simply be from other directions away from this interstellar cloud...



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 03:00 AM
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Based on his calculations, Gomes thinks a Neptune-size world, about four times bigger than Earth, orbiting 140 billion miles (225 billion kilometers) away from the sun—about 1,500 times farther than Earth—would do the trick.
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Since when is Neptune a brown dwarf?



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 02:50 AM
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Originally posted by DJW001
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Based on his calculations, Gomes thinks a Neptune-size world, about four times bigger than Earth, orbiting 140 billion miles (225 billion kilometers) away from the sun—about 1,500 times farther than Earth—would do the trick.
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Since when is Neptune a brown dwarf?


It's not, and the text doesn't say it is..



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 04:23 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by DJW001
That means that, like Jupiter, they reflect sunlight in the visible spectrum.


They do not, brown dwarfs are too cool to emit any light, and most can't be seen with regular telescopes, not even Hubble, that's why they can mostly be found in infrared spectrum.


You do know the difference between reflecting light and emitting light?.. By the way, the Hubble can see in near-infrared. There have been many infrared surveys of the universe by other space telescopes. They found the coldest known brown dwarfs many light years away from us, but didn't find one in or near the Solar System.


Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by DJW001
Granted, a companion brown dwarf is much more distant than Jupiter, but it would form a faint image on any photograph with a long enough exposure.


It would not, thats why they are looking in the infrared spetrum, and astronomers will need about 2 years or more to investigate the images taken by WISE.


A brown dwarf in the Solar System would reflect the Sun's light, however faintly. Also, there are lots of infrared telescopes, some of which are available to be used by amateur astronomers. WISE does have a potential to discover such a companion, but it's not the only source.

Stop deluding yourself (although with the username like ElectricUniverse, it's a vain appeal). Brown dwarfs aren't made of magically invisible material, they are balls of mostly hydrogen and helium (like Jupiter, btw.) and reflect visible light like any other normal matter. Infrared astronomy is required to spot them because they are normally light years away from us, so too dim in the visible light. If we flew close to a star system with a brown dwarf and a normal star, we would see the dwarf due to it reflecting the star's light. Also, many brown dwarfs are hot enough to glow red like lava.



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