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Man, You really don’t seem to have a good sense of how things are.
I don't think you do. You are describing the old anonymous of several years ago. Anonymous constantly changes and has no definition but to tear down what is.
Except… Lack of motive, social pariahhood, open source, encouragement of the Betterment Ethic… Yeah, except for those small things, what I propose has nothing.
None of this has any guarantee to change anything.
Hatred is learned. Stop teaching it and it will dissipate.
Hatred is learned. But often by the self, and not by any one specifically teaching it. Just go to your local school yard. Children aren't born with preference to any emotion but fear and happiness. From that, all other emotions come about naturally, without any sort of teaching. We can teach hate. But it can also manifest itself from a location without any hate.
I can’t stop that. I can only give options for the recipients – like leave. Ignore. Talk about behind backs. Whatever. And eliminate the motivation for the vast majority of meanness I see.
Jesus had the same idea. People still murdered 20 million native Americans in his name.
Again, I am thinking You are lacking clarity of though – or at least the ability to express it intelligibly. I might point out, however, a “leader” who wanted to go slaughter Others would be hard pressed to find Others to go with Hume to break a Law when that “leader” has nothing but ideology to offer.
Tell that to Hitler, Pot, Lenin, Mao, McCarthy, and today many modern leaders. All you need is ideology and people will follow you.
As it stands today, People follow “leaders” because They provide a meal, pay Them, force Them, and because They have no other options. In a world where We all can have what We want, why would We go stomp on Others?
That's what you think. I have food money and force in my own right. I don't need that from government. I follow leaders that I do because I believe they will exterminate the bad eggs in society. I don't know if I'm some sort of national socialist or anarchist at this point. I'll admit it though. I shed no tear to the genocide of the rich and popular whom seek to demote different groups of humanity for their own gain.
Basically, if you demote your fellow man's humanity, in my eyes, you are no longer human, but an animal. And your death is irregardless to me.
And the three Laws, and a lack of motivation, and socially earned pariahhood… Do go on…
Laws can be broken. Those assigned to punish can be bribed or be go with favoritism. Mobs that promote the laws can be organized to pull them down.
Simply put, I can manipulate what you put up and bring it down.
What would You do to take this “system” down?
Probably what I've done in the past with friends. Couple years ago I helped organized a social experiment locating precise social weak points and philosophies such as 6 degrees of connection. Starting with just me, but slowly building up a team of about 20 people working for no other reason than for our own "lulz", we managed to cause a sudden cascade of mindset. The topic was abortion. See back then I was an atheist, and interested in testing the viability of a godless defense of pro life philosophy. We managed to make a sudden ~10% change in pro life vs pro choice.
Here's gallup polls from the time shortly after we did the experiment.
See the second graph? See around 2008? I helped do that.
Granted, it's not much. But we weren't even that committed.
See when you begin to observe the human condition as much as we have, you know how to manipulate it for different purposes.
I suggest you watch BBC's Sherlock. Deals with it a great deal. Quite amazing how small pushes can topple entire ideologies.
We're thinking of doing yet another experiment soon.
Yes. Yes there are some. But by far the greatest cause of bad behavior is money/power/energy scarcity. No, We cannot eliminate these issues. No system will “get… rid of them.” And I am not seeking to solve all problems. I am seeking to MINIMISE them. My proposal would offer a world in which We see far fewer problems. If You eschew a solution because, though it radically reduces problems, it does not eliminate them… Heh. What can I say?
Yes. Yes, there will always be issues. BUT… With the removal of the money/power/energy scarcity, these problems will be greatly reduced. You make it sound as if it’s better to stick with this system We’re drowning in than work towards a better (if not perfect) way of doing things.
That’s what I like about You, Gor… You make statements like this with nothing to back them up. “Classicsm…” (I think You meant “classicism.”) How is what I offered “classicism,” and why is it “bad?”
Mobs do not form unless there is unrest.
Again. No system will eliminate poor behavior. But a system of oppression is a poor choice as more problems will arise than in a free society.
Not “reality.” Scarcity. In a world where evil grows – in the soil of money the love of it runs rampant – such behavior is expected in much greater quantity than in an abundant society. You are looking at how Humans behave under the yoke of a money and deciding that that behavior is caused by nothing more than random Human behavior. But the fact is that a great deal of the cause – statistically all of it – has to do with scarcity and the unrest that creates.
All a depiction of happenings in scarcity.
Nothing examines how Humans function in abundance
No. It was far more that merely fiction. It was a study in social behavior in the advent of abundance.
Sure, there were still problems, but far fewer and of less crucial nature than We have today. Humans do better when Their needs are readily met, and Their desires are mostly met as well.
You are awfully stuck on preventing problems. If all problems are not fully gone, it cannot work (as if Our system is not rife with problems). I do not claim any Law will STOP behavior. But Let’s face it, People follow Laws in general. If, in general, We did NOT follow Laws, rules, edicts, codes, acts, statutes, mandates, etc. We would have no society at all.
My mother could have benefited from the use of cannabis for the glaucoma She had. She chose to go blind rather than break the “law.” So the Laws will hold most in check. We surely will see no MORE in the way of poor choices than We do now – and in fact would see a radical drop in the problems We have. But a 90% reduction in problems isn’t good enough, I suppose. It has to be 100% or forget it, eh?
That is about a vague a reply I have ever encountered. The “few.” Ok. Who? The boogieman and his family? How will this “domination” manifest? And how can a few dominate the many with no power over anyone but Themselves (whom They have complete control of)?
Um, yeah, but with the ability to have children only when wanted, with the ability to do more than watch TV and have sex as entertainment (the condition of the poor), population growth will drop.
(It has been shown that middle class and rich families tend to be small – 0-3 kids – whereas poor People often have 4, 5, 6… They have no birth control, or They can get a bigger check from the government, or They are raped, or They have no education to know better… With richness flowing to all Humans, access to education, birth control, and with checks gone as a motivation, the birth rate will indeed drop.
And to fill the air space from 100 ft to 5000 feet with humans too close for comfort, I am betting Our population would have to increase 50,000 times. Likely more. Really, though They say it’s a small world…really, this is a HUGE planet and statistically speaking, We don’t exist. Can You grasp the meaning and magnitude of that statement? Statistically speaking, Humans do not exist on this planet.
Yes. People shoot others. But it is nearly always over money/power/energy.
Not over One taking over the abode of another.
And with all the sky, who’s going to fight?
“I’m going to boot You out of that space! I could go anywhere else – a mile north, for example – but I want that place 600’at X lat. and Y long. above that lake, and I’m going to take it from you!” BOOM! REALLY don’t see that as being an issue.
Humans might argue about ideology, and the best solutions, but with no land connection, arguing about a 500 cu. ft. space somewhere in Our atmosphere is not going to happen. Adjacent 500 cu. ft. spaces will do just fine. (500 cu. ft. should be plenty to contain one house and the Humans who live there).
And with 4.2 billion cubic kilometers to work with (see wiki.answers.com...'s_atmosphere ), I think We can safely say We would have plenty of room for everyOne.
Not exactly… I do believe They are out to tear down the corrupt institutions. Not just anything that is. I bet They don’t monkey with homeless shelters…
Of course it’s not a guarantee. Geez. But if done right – widespread discussion and awareness of the seed, the addition of plenum energy (and antigravity, though AG is not a requirement), and an encouragement of the Betterment Ethic, as People are relieved of the economic strife, Their outlook and attitude will improve, in turn improving Their behavior towards Those around Them. And frankly… Removing motivation alone DOES guarantee a change.
Agreed. But those who teach Themselves hatred are statistically nonexistent. Virtually all children learn these behaviors from the adults around Them.
As adults find They need not fear Theirs will be taken by someone else, as They may have what They want, the fear (which helps breed hate) will dissipate, and hatred will drop in the world.
No, You can’t solve the problem of the few who teach hate to Themselves. But You can remove the prime cause: the fear of loss. That removes 90% at least of the problem. But it’s not 100%, so it’s not as good as the scarcity setup We have now. Right?
Huh??? Jesus had the idea to release plenum energy, removing the need for money, and having all work no One wants to do be done by robots, freeing Humanity from slavery (wage or otherwise)? He had the idea that any Human could pick up and move as They pleased – away from those They don’t like – because that option would be always available?
None of which rallied People without money/power/energy control.
In ALL of Your examples, the “leaders” had rewards set up
And Your study of “the Human condition…” Did it include plenum energy and antigravity? Did You take a look at what Humans can accomplish when freed of the necessity to expend Their energy to profit Others? Did You look at what it would be like without the profit motive for instigating war? I will bet You examined how Humans behave in scarcity with the root of all evil ever tempting Humans to behave poorly. You might be interested in seeing how Humanity behaves when money/trade/etc. is no longer available, as in a disaster. People help One Another. People give where giving is needed. Read A Paradise Built in Hell by Rebecca Solnit. The beauty of Humanity as a whole can be seen.