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reply posted on 3-9-2011 @ 12:18 PM by nusnus

There has been speculation about Turkey actually siding with Iran over attacking Israel, but such speculations are random and uninformed at best.

Since they just signed a deal to host the NATO missile shield radar, I don't see the Turkish government siding with any country over attacking Israel.

This is completely a personal matter between the two countries and they will do whatever it takes to get Israel to get off its all powerful pedestal.

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reply posted on 3-9-2011 @ 12:18 PM by NewsWorthy

I hope Turkey is as serious as they sound about this..Israel does not deserve to be in the position they are in, They may have died during the holocaust but so did many others nationalities at the hands of foreign Dictators and not 1 of them were relocated to the Holiest place on earth or anywhere else for that matter. They didn't fight for it, they were given it and that grinds my gears! I seriously doubt Israel without the U.S.'s help could win a war with Turkey or Iran. In fact I would put money on Turkey being able Destroy Israel in a 1 on 1 battle with no side busting from the U.N. or anybody else. Israel can't Nuke Anybody because their hands are tied by bigger powers also Turkey has Nukes to so I doubt they wanna start tossing WMD's around..Turkey is HUGE by Comparison to Israel so while most of Turkey would probably be uninhabitable for a while if Nukes were used, Israel would be a myth revolving around a whole in the ground.

reply posted on 3-9-2011 @ 12:18 PM by NewsWorthy

reply posted on 3-9-2011 @ 12:19 PM by Kemal

reply to post by dizzylizzy

Good morning, by now we are not aiming to join the EU anymore.

If no one stop Israel, the genocide in the ME will not stop and I'm not talking of Jews. Ofcourse I would rather want a solution without war, but I guess Israel is just too subborn to meet half-way.

@ dontreally

"Maybe Israel should send some tanks to Kurdistan???"

Israel, next to USA, already trains and arms the PKK with weapons. Known fact. Besides, Kurds are our brothers as I've already mentioned in another thread. It's just the PKK trying to devide the folks in Turkey in order to destabilize the area and split Turkey into a thousand parts. Zionists do see Turkish territory as holy land.

Or was it the Babylonian nuts?

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reply posted on 3-9-2011 @ 12:21 PM by nusnus

Originally posted by NewsWorthy
Turkey has Nukes to so I doubt they wanna start tossing WMD's around..Turkey is HUGE by Comparison to Israel so while most of Turkey would probably be uninhabitable for a while if Nukes were used, Israel would be a myth revolving around a whole in the ground.

I'm not one to make corrections, but you're wrong in this instance.

Turkey does not have nukes and although its army is larger than Israel's in terms of man count, the Israelis fare better at war because of the amount of advanced technology they use. Up until all of this started, Turkey had a multi million dollar weapons deal with Israel, and they put a hold on it.

But I do agree with the fact that Israel won't be nuking Turkey. Its too close for comfort.

reply posted on 3-9-2011 @ 12:25 PM by TheMaverick

reply to post by Eliad

I don't think Turkey would be able to wage a successful campaign against Israel on its own turf.

I doubt the IDF generals feel the same way as you.

the diplomatic and economic repercussions would be enough to deter Turkey.

Israel needs turkey more then turkey needs Israel ,for a start the trade relations cut off would pretty much destroy the petrochemical industry one of Israel's major exports.

As I've said before Israel knows it's pushed it luck here.

In short- Turkey's the one that should be scared of doing anything if that nature, too bad it's run by a child. Seems like an empty threat.

Israel manages to demonize any foreign leader who stands in the way of its perceived interests ,and owning a large portion of the international press they do this very well.

reply posted on 3-9-2011 @ 12:28 PM by dontreally

reply to post by Kemal

Israel, next to USA, already trains and arms the PKK with weapons. Known fact. Besides, Kurds are our brothers as I've already mentioned in another thread. It's just the PKK trying to devide the folks in Turkey in order to destabilize the area and split Turkey into a thousand parts. Zionists do see Turkish territory as holy land.

Kurds have been seeking a state for a long time now. That thing we call Iraq shouldnt have been created if great britain had honored its promise to the Kurds - to give them a state.

In anycase, why oh why are the Kurds fighting the Turks?? Lets ponder that for a moment shall we? Does Israeli/American arming of the PKK force the kurds to fight the Turks? OR...lets use some logic. The Kurds already hate the Turks, because the Turks are oppressing them and their culture/language, and so the Kurds accept help from America to fight their Turkish oppressors...

Explain to me how this situation is in any way different? Infact, its a little sicker. Turks have killed far more Kurds than Israel has killed palestinians, yet "Kurds are our brothers"???

reply posted on 3-9-2011 @ 12:29 PM by Kemal

reply to post by nusnus

It's not all about technology imo. Just take a look at the kind of badly armed Chechens in Russia or the Talibanis in Afghanistan.

If you use the right strategy, anything is possible. I really don't want to brag around or something, but we Turks have always been warriors and don't fear death in battle. The Turkish army has a lot of experience, thanks to the PKK. Not sure about the Israelis, but I don't really think they have as worthwile as we do. Killing civilians with aircraft is just chicken.

@ dontreally

Go figure how many Kurds actually fight the Turks. Also, a lot of these PKK fighters have been brainwashed and brought to the mountains at a really early age. Hell, they don't even know Turkish, except for the high ranked PKK "officers". Iraqi Kurds think they fight for the freedom of Turkish Kurds... but no. They are not. They are making things worse.
Who oh why are Kurds joining the Turkish forces? Even special forces? Or act as village guards? My uncle was in the special forces for 11 years until he died as a martyr. I know what I'm talking about.

This is way another story to discuss. But go ahead, challange me.

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reply posted on 3-9-2011 @ 12:30 PM by dontreally

reply to post by TheMaverick

Wow! Now Israel owns "a large portion of the international press"?? Or do you mean Jews ?

Friggin antisemitic garbage.

reply posted on 3-9-2011 @ 12:34 PM by dontreally

reply to post by Kemal

Hamas is the one shooting rockets into Israel - and then goes and hides in civilian apartments/houses when Israel strikes back. Israel doesnt seek, and look to attack civilians the way Hamas terrorists look and seek to kill women and children.

reply posted on 3-9-2011 @ 12:36 PM by confreak

reply to post by Vitchilo

Two possibilities.

1. Turkey is confident because the Secularist Military Elites have been rooted out.

2. This is just a show to gain support from the Arab world, hence Turkey has helped establish AK parties in Egypt and I think one coming up in Yemen, I don't know about Tunisia but I think there is one popping up there too. The questions remains, why did Turkey decide to end military relations with Israel now? Its military relations with Israel has been seen negatively in the Arab world. The question remains, will they go as far as removing US bases? Not likely.

If this is a show, then after the AK parties in Egypt and Tunisia win (in case of a Democracy which isn't clear yet), then you would see the same cuddly relations with Israel again.

If this is confidence, meaning independent decision, then I'm not quiet sure how Israel would respond.

reply posted on 3-9-2011 @ 12:38 PM by TheRemedial

It is only an excuse to reposition the navy for the Syrian issue. The rest is just smoke and mirrors

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reply posted on 3-9-2011 @ 12:39 PM by Kemal

reply to post by dontreally

Check my post above which I have edited in order to reply to another post of yours.

I'm not defending Hamas. Neither should you defend Israel's actions.

Now, are you sure? With the blockade the Israelis are doing, enough people are harmed. People can't go to hospitals when ever they want because of a stupid checkpoint, which is randomly closed, depending on the mood of the Israeli military.

There are enough Western documentaries about this. Also, you can find footage of Israeli soldiers and settlers humiliating Arab schoolchildren on their way to school. You can also find enough footage of Israelis firing at children, even a video of a Palestinian called "Mohammed" dying. Do your research. Israel is no peaceful state at all.

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reply posted on 3-9-2011 @ 12:39 PM by NewsWorthy

Turkey has been housing American and Nato Nuclear weapons since the Cold War..They may not have ICBM's anymore at thier disposal but they have short range capability which is all they need to erase Israel...According to some their Military would take weeks to ready a launch which is Complete BS..Do you honestly think if Israel or anybody Nuked Turkey they would wait for the Ok to return Fire?? Reverse engineering is incredibly easy if you have a prototype which we gave them. They have Nuclear weapons still in their Armory the U.S. even says they do but they don't have any long range capability or a specialized bombing force to deliver them which is why we allow them to keep a surplus of our weapons on hand in case of an emergency..I'd think a nuclear attack from Israel would Constitute a Emergency.

If a piss poor country like North Korea can build secret underground bases an fabricate nuclear weapons themselves with no prototype wouldn't you think Turkey could do the same even quicker/easier since they already have the weapons to copy??

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reply posted on 3-9-2011 @ 12:40 PM by nusnus

Originally posted by Kemal
reply to post by nusnus

Not sure about the Israelis, but I don't really think they have as worthwile as we do. Killing civilians with aircraft is just chicken.

Well we can agree that the Israelis are far more cowardly than the average Turk will ever be. However, the US will not sit quietly if these two countries fight.

And with the amount of Jewish companies running the US government, I'd put my bet on Israelis winning the diplomatic war.

reply posted on 3-9-2011 @ 12:42 PM by dontreally

reply to post by Kemal

Heres a solution. Change the name of Turkey to the Kurdish-Turkish empire, or Kurdaturk, or turkakurd? Cool? And let Kurds fill government positions at a rate comparable to their representation.

There are 20 million Kurds in Turkey. More than enough to secede and establish their own country. Which of course is what they want.

But no! to the demagogues such a yourself, who claims 'the kurds are our friends' even though you clearly understand they do not want to be friends, but rather want the same right to self determination as turks have...But of course, that cant be given to them, right? You Turks are too "strong and proud" for that.

reply posted on 3-9-2011 @ 12:47 PM by xuenchen

Iran is shooting at the Kurds in Iraq too.

Iran shells Kurds for months now but nobody is talking about it! from Aug 4 2011

Iran shells Iraqi villages, says mayor September 3, 2011

Iran shelled northern Iraqi villages on Friday, damaging farms, in the latest bombardment since the Islamic Republic began a campaign against Kurdish separatists in July, an official said.

The shelling came as Human Rights Watch accused Iran and Turkey of failing to ensure the safety of civilians while carrying out strikes against separatists in northern Iraq's autonomous Kurdistan region.

"Iranian artillery began new shelling against border villages" in the area of Qalat Dizah, its mayor Hassan Abdullah said.

"The shelling caused serious damage to the farms of citizens in the villages," he said.

The shelling began about 5:30 p.m. (1430 GMT) and lasted an hour.

In July, Iran launched a major offensive against separatists from the Party of Free Life of Kurdistan (PJAK), targeting their bases in Iraqi Kurdistan along the Iran-Iraq border, and shelling the area for weeks.

not much MSM outcrys on this ..... Hmmmm

Turkey is a NATO member.

reply posted on 3-9-2011 @ 12:50 PM by Kemal

reply to post by dontreally

Wow, you're so blindly brainwashed it's unbelievable. Re-read my post. Kurds are our brothers.
Kurds do not want to be friends? You're so blindly confusing Iraqi Kurds with Turkish Kurds. I have answered all of your questions and you've like ignored all of mine. So tell me, why oh why do Kurds join with pride the Turkish forces? What makes me into a demagogue then?

See, you've challanged me but you failed. That's the reason you have to insult me. Thanks for showing the true niveau of yours.

reply posted on 3-9-2011 @ 12:50 PM by TheMaverick

I think your find Turkey is just as advanced in weapons as Israel ,Turkey military budget this year is 5 Billion dollars ,don't underestimate Turkey and there ability to wage war .

Turkey does have nuclear weapons ,as they hold 40-90 "Made in America" NATO tactical nuclear weapons ,which was place there by NATO ,so in effect Turkey does have nuclear weapons.

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reply posted on 3-9-2011 @ 12:53 PM by Kemal

reply to post by TheMaverick

Exactly. Don't forget the US nukes that are in Turkey and the air base in Incirlik. We don't have the codes to detonate them afaik.

A war between Turkey Israel+US would surely mean WW3. NK/China wouldn't let this opportunity just let go. Neither would countries that feeld butthurted (Greece, Armenia) by Turkey.