Only Racist Thinking Believes ....in the notion of assimilation?

Visited Sydney a few days ago and my senses were overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of Multi nationals in that city.
The Chinatown district has expanded almost all the way down to Central station.
To be honest ...it is not hard to wonder if Sydney is Chinese or Australian, all the signs are in Chinese with cursory English in small letters .
So is this thread a rant on the taking over of the Western culture in Australia by Chinese nationals?

No in fact the opposite....please let me explain.
When the idea of a Multi-cultural or to be more accurate Multi-National Australia was promoted , we were subtley led to think , that peoples from China, Vietnam, the middle east ect would come to this Christian western based democratic nation, and embrace our beliefs and culture , whilst being allowed to practice their own culture and beliefs.
We would somehow be nourished and grow as a society having other nationals and cultures entering our nation en masse.

But why would a Islamist, a confuscian, a Buddhist, a maoist communist,easterner want to have anything to do with western christian society?
The logical answer is they don't, and the Ghettoes or districts ,that span entire swathes of Australian capital cities testifies to this.
Their are chinese districts where great numbers of the inhabitants speak no English and have no need to learn English.
All the shops have Chinese signs , their are chinese newsagents selling Chinese papers and books.
They can have interpreters when dealing with government agencies (free of charge).

The whole notion of foreign people who are of opposing ideaologies" wanting" to adopt our western way of life is simply a lie.

I don't blame them one single iota.
They respect their own history, their own culture, their own nation, their own traditions and laws.
The west have no right to expect them to simply cross over to the western mind set.

So what we are left with is in reality a sharing of land with other nationals, many of which retain dual citizenship.

This is the reality , and i think we should all recognise it as such.
The lies and deceptions are becoming more and more transparent, we have invited other countrys to set up mini colonies in the west.

And this is a perfectly logical outcome...is it not?
Only racist thinking would conclude the Chinese for example are somehow wanting to be psuedo Western Christians and that they will forgo their language and traditions for western versions?
They are in Australia perhaps only in a physical geographical sense?
But in effect they are simply in a democratic Little China?
Lets acknowledge the truth ?
And move on , then know we as westerners are perhaps facing a paradigm shift ?

I'm going to be blunt. Things change, people change and nothing ever stays the same. I'm pretty sure the Australian aboriginals probably felt that way when the whites first came there. It wouldn't be so bad if people actually took the time to learn the Language at least communicate somewhat, you don't have to be an English professor.

I don't know, if I moved to another country and didn't learn that countries language, I would feel disprespectful. I wouldn't just throw up signs in 'my' language.

Originally posted by Night Star
I don't know, if I moved to another country and didn't learn that countries language, I would feel disprespectful. I wouldn't just throw up signs in 'my' language.

I know, that is the problem with some of the Hispanic people in America. It would be nice if the gas station attendant didn't speak Spanish and I'm speaking english.

we need to interbreed til we all are one color mixed racial families should get tax incentives to breed.

equality and peace through love and homogenization

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reply to post by Dr Expired


So you visited Chinatown........

shame you did'nt visit Chatswood, a large hub of upper class South Koreans, Chinese (mostly from Hong Kong), Singaporians, Japanese etc. Great shopping, nice people....and all signs in English.

Chinatown is Chinatown, you know what to expect for what it is. It's still a great place for the Asian aromas and festivities from time to time.

Asians are only a tiny % of the Australian population so perhaps you need to check the stats; Caucasians are still a large majority in this country.

reply to post by Night Star


That is the whole point of the OP , they are not being disrespectful they are simply practising their own "nations" culture in a new location.
We have made it lawful ( perhaps rightly) for them to do so, we assist them.
So we shouldn't whine or moan when they accept the invitation?
If we went to Mexico and all the signs were in English, we had American friends/shopkeepers/banks/newspapers/ would we convert to Catholicism, learn Spanish, eat nachos all day, have siestas, or would we chosse to live and speak the American way?
Remember we have been invited, and by law we are protected from racist targetting.

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I'm not a big fan of your interbreeding "program". Thats when bloodlines become weak......as much as most inter-racial kids are cute and all.

Inter-racial marriages are high risk and rarely last because of cultural differences.

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by CaDreamer

 

I'm not a big fan of your interbreeding "program. Thats when bloodlines become weak......as much as most inter-racial kids are cute and all.

the more "pure bred" any species becomes the weaker it becomes. mutts are the healthiest of most dogs.

Here in America we have many cultures and languages. It seems that legal immigrants learn and speak the english language, but illegals refuse to. It has gotten to a point where there are many jobs that now require that we speak spanish in order to get a job and support our families. No American citizen should be forced to learn a foreign language in their own country. That is where it becomes a problem. But if these people were invited to, then all the best to you.

I think personally with Chinese people it's a complex issue.
I'd say in most former colonial countries there are long-settled Chinese communities, and then there's also quite a recent influx of immigrants.

The black people in southern Africa are quite worried about it, because they thought their socialist former liberationist governments meant the Chinese would take over mines and businesses to provide them with jobs and development.

Now it seems as if the Chinese are not interested in local labor for the mines they have bought.
They are bringing Chinese settlers to Africa to work those mines!

The Chinese say they are doing nothing wrong, and the growth in many African countries where they are settling is astonishing on paper.
But the wealth is going out of those countries to China - it is not sustained growth, and the poor local people see no benefits.

It's actually a complete, and sometimes corrupt form of colonization.
Even the established Chinese communities are not happy about this (well, if you had the only Chinese restaurant in town, you'd be quite unhappy if 20 more suddenly opened, as has indeed happened here).

When they built the Chinese embassy here, every worker was brought from China.

Our aboriginal African people want jobs - but they don't give jobs.
Local factories are closing because they cannot compete with cheap Chinese goods.
The irony is that even the T-shirts worn by local union workers are made in China!

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by CaDreamer

 

I'm not a big fan of your interbreeding "program". Thats when bloodlines become weak......as much as most inter-racial kids are cute and all.

Inter-racial marriages are high risk and rarely last because of cultural differences.

edit on 2-9-2011 by bluemirage5 because: (no reason given)

Agree, I don't mean you or your people any harm but I prefer my race and frown on interbreeding. That's where the whole idea of multiculturalism takes a major nosedive, I want to preserve my culture and traditions.

Originally posted by CaDreamer

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by CaDreamer

 

I'm not a big fan of your interbreeding "program. Thats when bloodlines become weak......as much as most inter-racial kids are cute and all.

the more "pure bred" any species becomes the weaker it becomes. mutts are the healthiest of most dogs.

My family has been breeding dogs for 25 years, where did you get your info from? It is laughable to say the least.

Originally posted by halfoldman
I think personally with Chinese people it's a complex issue.
I'd say in most former colonial countries there are long-settled Chinese communities, and then there's also quite a recent influx of immigrants.

The black people in southern Africa are quite worried about it, because they thought their socialist former liberationist governments meant the Chinese would take over mines and businesses to provide them with jobs and development.

Now it seems as if the Chinese are not interested in local labor for the mines they have bought.
They are bringing Chinese settlers to Africa to work those mines!

The Chinese say they are doing nothing wrong, and the growth in many African countries where they are settling is astonishing on paper.
But the wealth is going out of those countries to China - it is not sustained growth, and the poor local people see no benefits.

It's actually a complete, and sometimes corrupt form of colonization.
Even the established Chinese communities are not happy about this (well, if you had the only Chinese restaurant in town, you'd be quite unhappy if 20 more suddenly opened, as has indeed happened here).

When they built the Chinese embassy here, every worker was brought from China.

Our aboriginal African people want jobs - but they don't give jobs.
Local factories are closing because they cannot compete with cheap Chinese goods.
The irony is that even the T-shirts worn by local union workers are made in China!

Well this is a side issue really, but the Chinese Maoist Government funds Chinese nationals in Australia to but up houses and , to buy up farmland and mining leases.
This is perfectly legal, as Australia wants Chinese money and has not drafted and implemented any laws to protect the Average Australian from these cashed up communist government funded new arrivals.

They have been invited, encouraged and are protected in their aims to promote the Chinese race in Australia.

Good on them, they wouldn't sell their own nation out so cheaply, but like all colonists they take advantage of traitors and socialists who give them free rein.

I am 100% behind those who wish to come here and become Australian. I don't care if they want to practice their religion and make all the anti western statements they like, however I am very aware that many are here to enrich themselves and return home, and have no intention of obeying our laws, paying taxes, or respect our culture.

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Well there home is here, and back there.
They legally have two homes.
They can flit between nations as easily as an Australian flits between states.
This is something most don't ponder on.
And i reiterate this thread is not anti immigration,
Just a reality check on the real outcomes of multi national Australia.
Mnay people who have travelled the world will tell you most nations are fiercely proud and defensive of their own nations traditions and culture.
When you travel you do as the locals do.
This is because people rightly or wrongly have been brainwashed into thinking their own race is superior or entitled to have their very own nation to themselves.
Israel does not allow new mass immmigration from non Jewish states, but welcomes Jews from the USSR, and other nations including the U.S.A....to us liberated westerners this blatant discrimination may appear medieval, as we are used to sharing our nations with other nations citizens.

But we need to know...that other nations such as Japan, China, Israel, Russia,Korea,Turkey,ect are fiercely patriotic, and do not tolerate the erosion of their nations identitys.

We may laugh at this outmoded thought system, as we allow other nations citizens to arrive and change our identity...in fact we embrace the change, we know it to be racist not to allow the change.

So as this thread title states, these other racist nations need to look at us in the west, and open their doors to immigration from diametrically opposed nations ...ie Israel should allow immigration from Pakistan and Iraq, and not discriminate on religious backgrounds.
Japan should allow mass immigration by Black Africans, and Chinese.

For only racist thinking opposes change of ones own identity?

Im an expat myself, Im an Aussie from Melbourne and it will always be home but at the same time I dont think I see myself going back there.

I think when you move to another country you should adopt their ways somewhat. I dont think anyone anywhere should forget their roots or culture but generally when you move to a new country its because it suits you better or you can have a better lifestyle.
To turn your back on that and live the way you did when you were in your birth country is just disrespectful.

Im not racist or xenophobic but Ill never change my mind on the fact that immigrants should adopt their chosen countries ways to some degree.

In Oz I think we should have a law that says if you dont speak basic english within 6 months you lose your visa and get sent home. Anyone who moves to Australia without wanting to be Aussie should be sent packing.

P.s to be Aussie means to be laid back and tolerant of others, excepting of all religions and creeds and also to speak english. Its actually a shame that more Aussies arent that Aussie

The only people who are worried about Australian "culture," being overrun by foreigners are racist (usually locally born German/Celtic) whites; and considering the amount of violence that I experienced at their hands while living in Sunbury, despite being a white individual myself, I have absolutely no sympathy for them.

There was one particular incident in Cronulla in 2005 I think it was, where they may have had some vague degree of justification, but that is about it. From memory some Pakistani or Lebanese Muslims tried to forcefully tell some women wearing bikinis to cover up; and more or less the entire neighbourhood exploded. That is the usual sort of problem that tends to happen more or less wherever Islam collides with the rest of humanity. There is an Islamic minority who have difficulty accepting the fact that the rest of the species is unwilling to live under Sharia law.

The other thing to keep in mind, however, is the fact that the "culture," they're worried about losing, isn't actually a culture at all. What they call culture, everyone else calls blue collar anti-intellectualism, worship of football and violence, and abuse of alcohol, methamphetamines, and marijuana. They generally give Marx's proletariat a bad name.

Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff
In Oz I think we should have a law that says if you dont speak basic english within 6 months you lose your visa and get sent home. Anyone who moves to Australia without wanting to be Aussie should be sent packing.

Six months isn't exactly a lot of time to learn a language; particularly one as complex as English.

I'm sorry, but im living in australia currently, i'm not australian, but im not sure where you get "a christian country" from but this place isn't, it's easily the most anti christian, anti social, rude, people who love contradictions, and people who operate with double standards on a daily basis, and people who love being an ass and its the most miserable place with the dumbest people on the planet living here.

This country is basically a congregation of the westboro baptist church, but instead of being in their own secluded area, everyone here is like that.
Everyday i wake up, i just wish i woke up somewhere else, so im eagerly awating to study abroad and then transfer.

Technology is backward, education is backward, the style of thinking is backward, topped of with rude, and anti social people.

You know here in university, there are barely any aussies attending, it's basically "foreigners" who make up the majority of the university population, "true ausseis" make up a small percentage of people in university, not surprising, since you wouldn't get in.
And it's not asians or arabs, it mainly folks from eastern europe, russia etc, who are attending.

I go to Swinburne University btw, which is a 2nd tier school, i could get into a 1st top tier school, but it's pretty expensive, just like everything else in this country plus Swin has a destination i want to study abroad at anyways, the AUD dollar is nearly equal to the USD, yet things here are 300% more expensive in australia, it's ridiculous.
It should be pretty much the same price as the US, maybe even cheaper since the AUD was stronger than the USD, for some time a few months ago.
Schooling is $10k+ without books, im just glad i got in with an academic scholarship, now it's just 3k for the books.


So this country would be nothing without foreigners, other than low I.Q'd tradies, extremely rude, dumbass patriots who drape that ugly looking flag on their backs for a cape, and the other anti social people.
I've never met an australian doctor once, it's always an indian guy or or an eastern european guy.
The people who are rude funnily, are australians most of the time and arabs no surprises there, some asians too tho.

Oh and btw, what about when the aboriginals were killed of for their land?
Australia belongs to aboriginals technically, what about settlers "assimilated" them?
Wasn't the last aboriginal in tasmania killed and his genitals made into a pouch for a rich aristocrat.
Not that im down with aboriginals, just pointing it out, since double standards are always common in australia, yet are frowned upon when brought up.
So wouldn't that make your topic a paradox?

Present day australia is like what the united states used to be like in the 1940's....and thats not saying much, since the united states only really got good in the 80's when playstation, laser tag and stuff came out, and when biomedicine became really big and got more funding, still stem cells need more funding, oh well, one thing at a time, can't beat the crazy christians in a day.