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Originally posted by ch1466
Waynos,
What it comes down to is that the Typhoon represents a 90's equivalent version of the F-15. While the F/A-22 represents a self escorting F-117.
I don't particularly like the Eurofighter (it is short of gas, long of specialization claw, under powered and unable to participate as equals in a 1,000nm radius theater war, with minimal 'Global Strike Task Force' type support on a rapid-air campaign standup basis.).
But, for what it was originally designed to do (fight the CentFront NATO war of the 1985-92 projected likely timeframe ) and what it's weapons systems (particularly BVRAAM and ARMIGER and STORM SHADOW) will -allow it- to do, today. It is indeed a milestone in European aviation.
I would rate it superior to the JSF, at roughly the same cost. I would rate it an 'Asteroid' in the sense of completely outdating the entire 3rd Generation (F-Teens). And I hope to heck they don't get a single export sale.
Because it's primary threat will be through proliferation of the concepts and technologies of it's 'Western' weapons system design. And if that should happen, in a major followon war with the likes of India or China. The U.S. would likely be stripped of it's (airborne) Intel Surveillance Recce (C4ISR) assets and fighting blind.
THAT being something that not even the F/A-22 can afford to do without. And probably the single greatest element of stealth technologies own overdependent risk: If you can't see the Sword Coming. Attack the head.
They already have aeroballistics to hit the 'body' (logistics of carriers and airbases) within about a 500-700nm radius. In another 10 years that will
be 1,200-3,000nm.
And even with ABL and Theater Wide/Upper Tier type defenses to knock back long range ballistic attacks, we cannot afford to also be whacking away at 'Air Breathing AMRAAM In A Box' type SAM's that can be launched from any give _air traffic control_ radar vector. And find a slow, unagile, emitting-like-lighthouse, HUGE target 50-70nm downrange without a single further (midcourse) emission.
THAT is what Eurofighter ultimately represents. Technical equality at the weapons system front end. Posing an ultimate escalatory penalty to the tacjets (AIM-120D was rushed because of British refusal to downplay BVRAAM) and a nearly insurmountable threat to the support missions (gas, EW, targeting) which help enable them.
KP
Originally posted by longbow
Why are you always putting EF above or equal to JSF? Say 1 single reason.
And about the "EF has roughly the same cost as JSF" ... , let me laugh. Just look at the UK Eurofighter budget and divide it for 232 aircrafts. Thats much more than JSF price. And the future upgrades (like AG capability) are not included.
Originally posted by longbow
Why are you always putting EF above or equal to JSF? Say 1 single reason.
And about the "EF has roughly the same cost as JSF" ... , let me laugh. Just look at the UK Eurofighter budget and divide it for 232 aircrafts. Thats much more than JSF price. And the future upgrades (like AG capability) are not included.
Originally posted by waynos
I'm only talking about the F-35B, which the UK is getting. The F-35 is effectively three different fighhters and I don't underestimate the abilities of the Air Force and Navy versions. The F-35B is not a 'lesser' fighter in my view, just different.
Originally posted by longbow
And about the "EF has roughly the same cost as JSF" ... , let me laugh. Just look at the UK Eurofighter budget and divide it for 232 aircrafts. Thats much more than JSF price. And the future upgrades (like AG capability) are not included.