Bachmann says she'd consider minimum wage changes

Originally posted by ExPostFacto
You obviously make enough to live on plus some. Trust me I understand what you are saying, but I think you are missing one point. That point is those making minimum wage do not actually benefit from a wage increase if the prices rise for basic necessities. You can say all day long you stop buying stuff if the prices go up, but try stopping to buy stuff when all the money you spend or have goes to costs of living.

Why would my cost of living go up because Ipads are made in china? You cannot outsource most of the things that go along with my need to live. Is India going to plow the roads over the internet?

If you make enough plus some you have that ability to not buy. But when every dollar you make is spent on rent, gas, insurance, food, electricity, school supplies for your kids, and keeping a internet and phone on then really there is not much room to cut back.

Perhaps had you not chosen to assume my financial situation, this would be going somewhere. At the moment, you are just trying to make points off an argument you fully set up in your own head.

I have been down and out before and tried to cut back on telephone, internet, cable, etc. Of course they get you if you cut back, and you end up paying more for a single service or almost just as much for all the services. I have eaten Ramen noodles to get by and my health deteriorates.

If you are eating Ramen noodles so you do not lose your cable or internet then that is your lifestyle choice. I need food to live, not cable tv or internet.

You sound very accusatory and ideological.

Coming from the guy that just assumed I am too rich to know what it is like to have to chose between eating and enjoying life. Too funny.

This country has aspects of socialism since its founding. I think many confuse socialism with communism. Yet, those same people refer to our system as capitalism when in reality it is a corporate fascism. Pure capitalism is dangerous, just as pure socialism is. Especially when ran by centralized government.

Sure, pure anything is dangerous. But all you anti-socialism, corporate bootlickers always fail to realize that our socialized sewage treatment system is envied the world over. I bet you would like it better if you had to pay a special fee each month to have your waste removed? How about when your neighbors cannot pay that private firm? Yep, you get to smell their s***.

Enjoy that.

Originally posted by Emeraldprophet
The minimum wage should be $100/ hr. It's only fair. After all, those filthy rich, greedy employers have the money, and I need it. They should also be forced to pay 100% of any healthcare costs I incur. Health care is a right, don't you know? Now you might say, maybe the employer can't afford that. Well somebody better damn sure pay for it, 'cuz I'm not paying for my own crap!!!

And if a company can't afford it, then the government should just take over the company. That way they can actually create jobs here, rather than overseas. That's the FAIR way.

How what you just wrote any stupider than what you are all really saying?

Your line is that we cannot tax corporations fairly because they will have to raise prices. So I have to pay more taxes so that you can get a cheep ipad. Now that is stupid.

Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by beezzer

 

Small businesses who are forced to pay a set amount are limited to what they can do, due to government intervention. When businesses are forced to raise the minimum wage, they ultimately have to raise their prices or fire people to support the new increases.

Minimum wage: If I could pay you less, I would.

WAGES ARE A LOSS TO PROFITS...again...that's all some care about. It's not really about just being successful and paying their workers as much as possible, it's all about greed and hording all they can.

Not only will those who make minimum wage make less...this will also drive down the wages of damned near everyone else as the minimum wage buffer will be eliminated.

How important are small businesses to the U.S. economy?

Small firms:

Represent 99.7 percent of all employer firms.

Employ just over half of all private sector employees.

Pay 44 percent of total U.S. private payroll.

Have generated 64 percent of net new jobs over the past 15 years.

Create more than half of the nonfarm private gross domestic product (GDP).

Hire 40 percent of high tech workers (such as scientists, engineers, and computer programmers).

Are 52 percent home-based and 2 percent franchises.

Made up 97.3 percent of all identified exporters and produced 30.2 percent of the known export value in FY 2007.

Produce 13 times more patents per employee than large patenting firms; these patents are twice as likely as large firm patents to be among the one percent most cited.

Sources (see the Office of Advocacy's Research and Statistics page):

U.S. Dept. of Commerce, Bureau of the Census and International Trade Admin.
Advocacy-funded research by Kathryn Kobe, 2007
CHI Research, 2003
U.S. Dept. of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics.

See, when a nice, job creating person opens a little store, that person has little to pay someone to work there, because they are competing with the big, mean corporation. If they are forced by the business-hating leftists to pay more to the poor, hard-working wage slaves, then the little store has even less to pay them. And less to take home to pay for their own bills. And less to invest in the store. Causing them to either reduce staff, or close the store altogether. Oopsy! Where did those jobs go?

See how that works out? Now a big, mean corporation like Wal-Mart is all that's left! Is that what you want, more Wal-Marts and less mom-and-pops? If so, by all means raise the minimum wage.

Brain, meet thought.

/TOA

Great....Generate a Quadrillion in debt...then lower the minimum wage to $1 an hour to ensure we're slaves to China for 1,000 years.

Way to go Bachmann.

American Samoa had low wages and America had lots of Tuna Canneries over there, everyone had a job there. The Federal Minimum Wage was pushed on American Samoa not long ago....and all the jobs left along with the Tuna Canneries. PLUS now they're forced to buy more expensive Left hand drive cars and trucks...instead of the cheaper right hand drive Japanese vehicles.

American Samoa was better off before the Federal Minimum Wage was put on them.

Decreasing Federal Minimum Wage on America...when it's buried with a Quadrillion in debt...ain't going to work.


We invested in 11 Aircraft Carrier Battle Groups to be able to water down our currency as a means to "get rid of" debt...any country that didn't like their investment losses......we'll bring you some "Freedom".

We need a huge import tax on goods comming to America to offset the imbalance of slave labor overseas. We are the consumers if we charge companies to ship stuff in here they might thin twice about moving their business out.

reply to post by Kitilani


After reading your critique of my post I realize we just might be on the same side. Perhaps I misinterpreted where you were coming from in your original post.

reply to post by The Old American


I never stated we should FORCE small businesses to pay more....what I am stating is that they SHOULD pay more if they want the economy to get better. The less that is paid in wages, the more dependent a person is going to be on government programs.

Tariffs on imports will actually strengthen small businesses and make them compete and grow against corporations.