Is the Theory of Evolution a Conspiracy ?, page 1
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reply posted on 25-8-2011 @ 06:21 PM by billy197300
reply to post by Blue_Jay33

Hence the word "theory". It's just a scientific guess at how things came to be just like all the religious stories about creation. Nobody really knows, all we can do is make our best guess.



reply posted on 25-8-2011 @ 06:24 PM by seabhac-rua
reply to post by Blue_Jay33

How many time does it have to be said?
The theory of evolution does not disprove the existence of God, it simply contradicts the bible, a book, written, compiled, edited, printed and distributed by MEN, in a hot country very far away from you, a long time ago.
A person can believe in evolution and still believe in God, get your head around that!
Stop trying to tie evolution and atheism together, it just proves that you can't handle something that goes against your dogmatic obsession with a book.

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reply posted on 25-8-2011 @ 06:35 PM by billy197300
reply to post by alfa1

LMAO, I don't have an agenda, all I said is noone really knows how all this came to be. Thats all. I wasn't knocking anyones beliefs or anything.




reply posted on 25-8-2011 @ 06:36 PM by Titen-Sxull
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What if scientists know it's impossible


What part of: gradual change over time due to variations in genetics sounds impossible to anyone?


but having done the research based on what this scientist said, said that the currently taught theory of evolution is impossible given the time lines. It defied basic math and probability variables.


Your appeal to authority is that there was a thread, written by a former atheist, who was persuaded by bad math to reject evolutionary theory. REALLY?

We've got Creationists around the country working to get mythology taught as science in an open conspiracy but no, you must be right, it's evolution that's the conspiracy. Damn those scientists and their fact-based peer reviewed approach to science that relies on evidence to lead us to a conclusion, clearly that's the conspiracy... not folks who want our kids to be taught about a supernatural being piling together some dirt to make the first man.

Give me a break.

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It's just a scientific guess at how things came to be


The word THEORY in science is more than just a guess. Sure in layman's terms it refers to a hypothesis or guess but in science a theory is a framework of facts, observations, conclusions. Theory, in science, refers to the strongest ideas in science, biology would break down and cease to function as a science without evolutionary theory.




Nobody really knows, all we can do is make our best guess.



[sarcasm]Just like the Earth being round or flat, no one will ever know that, the religions and the scientists disagree on that but neither of them can assert any knowledge. Same thing with heliocentricity, heliocentricity is just a theory, so what if all the facts regarding our position in the solar system confirm it.[/sarcasm]

1) Simply because something is currently unknown doesn't mean we get to call all viewpoints on the matter
equal.

2) The bio-diversity of life is not unexplained - what mythology has to say on the matter is fascinating but irrelevant when it comes to the facts.

This kinda attitude boggles the mind
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reply posted on 26-8-2011 @ 02:51 AM by uva3021
reply to post by Blue_Jay33

Yeah I agree. There is no way traits are actually inherited nor do individuals actually reproduce differentially. Sex is just an elaborate ruse used by God to make us think evolution is actually true so he can test the small subset of the population that believes in the Judeo-Christian version of God. All other religions are a casualty of a tremendous joke.


reply posted on 26-8-2011 @ 11:18 AM by seabhac-rua
Originally posted by rhinoceros
Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
Simple bacteria can divide about every 20 minutes and have many hundreds of different proteins, each containing 20 types of amino acids arranged in chains that might be several hundred long. For bacteria to evolve by beneficial mutations one at a time would take much, much longer than three or four billion years, the time that many scientists believe life has existed on earth.


A famous Russian scientist? What was his field? History? Clearly not biology at least. In general proteins consists of domains that are just arranged in different ways. It's not like every singe protein evolved from nothing one amino acid at a time. The main driving forces of protein evolution are gene duplication, recombination, and natural selection.

Also, where does OP postulate this conspiracy to take place? Is all genomics data fake? Are all fossils fake? Is the distribution of species over the Earth artificially created? Do doctors implant us with tailbones when we're born? I wonder, how many millions of people would have to be involved over many many centuries..
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What your dealing with here, as with 99% of these kind of debates, is scriptural interpretation. Creationists want to force everything they see, hear, touch, read, feel into a biblical context. It's like a toddler bashing a square peg into the round hole with his toy hammer. The bible says this and that, or rather some modern day site like 'answersingenesis' says that the bible says this and that, eg the earth is 6000 yrs old, therefore there must be a conspiracy because the bible can't be wrong can it??? Evolution is a favorite topic with creationists, I've been told that if I 'believe' in evolution then I must be an atheist, which is not necessarily true, I just see the bible for what it is......a book.
No amount of scientific proof, no amount of glaring evidence, no amount of reasoning will get you anywhere with these people, if the bible says it then thats it, period.


reply posted on 26-8-2011 @ 01:21 PM by 1littlewolf
reply to post by Blue_Jay33


All that may well be true....for bacteria. Which is why bacteria is still pretty much the same as its always been. But 1 billion years ago sex evolved and this was able to combine these random mutations in different much faster ways.

For bacteria asexual reproductive splitting it a slow process accumulating just one change at a time. Sexual reproduction combines many accumulated genetic mutations all at once in turn hastening the evolution of positive traits and breeding out deleterious ones.


reply posted on 26-8-2011 @ 01:25 PM by Blue_Jay33
reply to post by 1littlewolf




Simple bacteria can divide about every 20 minutes and have many hundreds of different proteins, each containing 20 types of amino acids arranged in chains that might be several hundred long


Yes if it is "simple" then more complex life forms would take even longer.


reply posted on 26-8-2011 @ 01:42 PM by 1littlewolf
reply to post by Blue_Jay33


Sex was not initially 'complex'. The requirement for two organisms to participate in reproduction instead of one doesn't require that much change. It is not until afterwards the complexity begins to really increase.

And once sexual reproduction evolved you now have entire populations acquiring genetic mutations at once and then recombining them through the population at an exponential rate. It is completely different to the slow progressive change of non-sexual reproduction. There has been more than enough time for just about anything to have evolved given the correct environment.
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