If there was abundance of resources for everyone, would there be utopia?

If everyone got everything they needed, food, water, healthcare, education, and there was no greed or inequality in the system, would we basically have a utopia?

People aren't wicked or evil for no reason, most people want to live in harmony with their neighbors and only turn rotten if they need to survive or at least if times become tougher and they are spiritually weak.

Isn't getting rid of inequality (and discrimination) THE road to Utopia? Or is it more complex than that? By "equality" I don't mean like everyone has the same wage, I just mean there aren't any people who are lacking and there isn't an elite who uses up most of the wealth for their own pleasure at the expense of others.

No, I don't think so. Many people already have those things, but are their lives utopic? I have them, and I'm still not the happiest person in the world. If everyone had every material need met, we wouldn't live in a utopia. People would find other things to be dissatisfied with.

a real utopia would be created within our minds, we would create our own resources with our mind, we wouldn't even need food but we can make it materialize if we visualize it, this current dimension we live in no utopia can be possible, maybe if everyone stopped what they were doing and meditated we could form a utopia

No...because we have an abundance of resources already, its just that a small group of people control them.

Its the people...not the resources that are the issue

no, much fewer humans once had MUCH MUCH MUCH more abundant resources, and they still treated each other terribly.

Originally posted by m1991
If everyone got everything they needed, food, water, healthcare, education, and there was no greed or inequality in the system, would we basically have a utopia?

The powers that be know this, that's why the create a system which, not everyone can have utopia.

There is a common thing, with regard to the needs you stated, it's "MONEY".

But then again, you really don't need all this things to achieve utopia. There is however, something that is of abundance, that is also free, it is called "LOVE".

When you start showing love, be certain you're headed for utopia.

Peace to you my friend.

Originally posted by m1991
If everyone got everything they needed, food, water, healthcare, education, and there was no greed or inequality in the system, would we basically have a utopia?

People aren't wicked or evil for no reason, most people want to live in harmony with their neighbors and only turn rotten if they need to survive or at least if times become tougher and they are spiritually weak.

Isn't getting rid of inequality (and discrimination) THE road to Utopia? Or is it more complex than that? By "equality" I don't mean like everyone has the same wage, I just mean there aren't any people who are lacking and there isn't an elite who uses up most of the wealth for their own pleasure at the expense of others.

It is the road to Utopia. The problem is that we can never experience it. We can make it happen or set the world in that direction, but until it is a mindset and belief it will not be Utopia. We can imagine, design and do everything to make this happen, but we are still the designers. We still have the opposite views to understand why it would be great. The Utopia we all want has no opposing mindsets, but opposing mindsets are required to make it happen. We would be outsiders in the perfect future.

agree with loves,

utopia would hav to be achieved thru a utopian community

where they are all perfectly altruistic.

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There would have to be free resources for there to be "Utopia". Not payed for.

If you still need to earn money to pay for resources then it's the same thing. Can't find work? No jobs? You have to do with less, same thing.

What about cultures that reproduce like lemmings irrespective of whether or not they can take care of their children. Lack of money doesn't stop them. Having infinite free "resources" will just lead to overpopulation.

There IS an abundance of resources.
It is how we allocate and hoard them that results in the illusions of a disparity in quality of life and limited resources.
The real questions are WHY are humans inherently greedy and egotistical, and how can we focus on awareness and unity and shrink/destroy our egos?

With the US Population estimated at 304,059,724 persons two years ago,I'd say indiscriminate breeding is a fact here as well as elsewhere. Add the high rate of the unemployed,those not even looking for work. Hmm.

A truly Utopian world..Honestly,I think that if we shared a collective consciousness,all did more with less and genuinely cared for and about each other,it would be a huge step in that direction. But,there are an awful lot of people out there that hurt others just for kicks. Not every criminal or thug etc. has a reason like poverty etc.

It is a beautiful thought tho,to be sure. I'd be down for it.

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Originally posted by StripedBandit
The real questions are WHY are humans inherently greedy and egotistical, and how can we focus on awareness and unity and shrink/destroy our egos?

edit on 24-8-2011 by StripedBandit because: grammr/clarity

Excellent question. Also,how can we,get others,aware and engaged..

no. give two kids the exact same toy, and if one is playing happily with his toy, the other will try to take it even though his is lying on the ground not being used.

Reality TV where people get off on watching morons humiliate themselves is evidence that people are innately evil regardless of how bad or wonderful their own lives are.

It would be like it is now,fat and b!tching!
Just saying.

No. Utopia by definition is the unatainable ideal. The word comes from the Greek: οὐ ("not") and τόπος ("place"). The English homophone eutopia, derived from the Greek εὖ ("good" or "well") and τόπος ("place"), signifies a double meaning: "good place" and "no place".

A good analogy would be life in the military. In the military you have everything you could possibly need: food, water, clothing, houseing, healthcare, and education. There is a complete equality within the ranking system. No society is more accepting of others than the military. They don't care what you look like, where your genetic heritage is from or what your belief's are. There is nobody in the military who "uses up most of the wealth for their own pleasure at the expense of others." Yet even a gung-ho red-white-and-blue careerist would not describe the military life as utopian.

The military meets all the criteria you listed for a utopian society and yet they are absolutely not utopian. There is still conflict, disagreement and disatisfaction. They have an extensive internal legal system simply to keep these issues "in house." I think Utopia is an excellent albeit unrealistic goal. But never surrender hope. Stranger things have happened than founding a Utopian society based on nothing more than hope.

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But it doesn't..The military may provide these things for,and all the while you are little more than an indentured servant and answerable to them for everything. No Utopia potential anywhere up in that.

No,it has to come from a place within all of us. It isn't even about having everything material and physical we believe we might need to be happy,fulfilled,satisfied etc.

Eh. at our puny stage of higher mind development there just ain't no hope for it any time soon.

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Thank you Raven, You are trackin' 100%. Utopia is not a physical representation of anything. It is an ideal that must come from within. It's not a question of resources or satisfying any physical requirements. And, being human, if we group ourselves with other like minded humans, well to be honest it still doesn't usually work. But every once in a while you find a small group of people that continue to mostly-get-along and everybody participates toward a common goal. It's an awesome thing when it works and we usually call it a family. When it fails we call it dysfunctional.

Originally posted by StripedBandit
The real questions are WHY are humans inherently greedy and egotistical, and how can we focus on awareness and unity and shrink/destroy our egos?

Originally posted by Qouth The Raven
Excellent question. Also,how can we,get others,aware and engaged..

This question has been answered and the answers have been put into practice.

Those answers and those practices have been violently invalidated by known and unknown enemies of the truth. The only reason we don't have something closer to utopia is because a long time ago a few people who were convinced it couldn't happen got hold of some technology that enabled them to convince the general public that it couldn't happen. And though individuals continue to come forward insisting that it could happen, the anti-utopia campaign has also continued. This new data that uncovers this situation and points a way out is quite recent. Given time, it could come into wide use. The only question is: Do we have enough time?

The reason people have and are still not happy is they are missing the greater connection. Deep down they are not happy because something is missing. This unrest and a misguided ego results in greed, waste, corruption, fear.

None of us will live in a Utopia no matter how much abundance there is, unless we are at peace within and find the connection to all. We are moving that way, but it will take a few generations. If/when the children are taught differently and not subjected to the old thinking and system, we will start to move into a better, more holistic type society. This is not hippie cr*p...it is the way it should be.