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posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 08:12 PM
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Can you back up up anything you have just wrote , with facts ?


Yes, why?

Try a little light reading. Start with the 9/11 Commission Report. Then move on to the NIST report.

See ya in a couple of weeks.




posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by DragonriderGal
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You have to know that this is a sensitive topic for TPTB.

If too much 'truth' gets "figured out", there may well be a big old fat finger pointing right at them and god knows how many billions of dollars worth of gold gone missing from the bank vaults under the twin towers, of which only 280 million (one truckload worth trapped in an exit tunnel during the collapse) was ever recovered.

So now, do you honestly think they're going to let any version of the 'truth' with them implicated be 'figured out'?

Which is why, despite a lot of what seems quite credible evidence I've seen presented here and elsewhere that very much points to an inside job, probably CIA, it will continue to be ignored by the mainstream media and poo-hooed everywhere, including here on ATS.

Remember, they've got LOTS and LOTS of money and resources (and those billions and billions they got from under the world trade center is coming in handy I'm sure) and own most of the major media. And are doing their darnest to own the internet too. Luckily they've been held off by the guys who love their access to porn and are willing to spend money to do so! *lol*
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Nice reply .
Please tell more about the missing gold , because this is new to me and any evidence will be gratefully acknowledged.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 08:19 PM
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Hi Trace
Your reply was beautifully written and emotional but please remain objective . I'm in the UK and I have heard the stories of vote rigging in the 2000 election . Do you have any evidence to present on the subject ?



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by tpg65

Originally posted by hooper
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So what wasn't factual about my post? Sept. 11, 2001? Hijackers? 4 planes? The towers of the World Trade Center? The Pentagon?


Can you back up up anything you have just wrote , with facts ?

You mention the attack on the Pentagon , but did you know that there is not one scrap of evidence to prove that it was hit by a passenger jet . If you have evidence to the contrary , then please present it and it will be objectively discussed.


Did you know that there is not one scrap of evidence to prove that it was hit by anything but a passenger jet? That is what people saw and that is what the physical evidence is consistent with.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 08:24 PM
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Originally posted by hooper
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Can you back up up anything you have just wrote , with facts ?


Yes, why?

Try a little light reading. Start with the 9/11 Commission Report. Then move on to the NIST report.

See ya in a couple of weeks.


Sorry Hooper , but it doesn't work that way ....Let me dumb it down for you .
Don't make a statement unless you have evidence to back it up .
Now I ask you again . Bring evidence of a commercial jet striking the Pentagon and it will be looked at objectively and discussed .
Plain enough ?



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by pteridine

Originally posted by tpg65

Originally posted by hooper
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So what wasn't factual about my post? Sept. 11, 2001? Hijackers? 4 planes? The towers of the World Trade Center? The Pentagon?


Can you back up up anything you have just wrote , with facts ?

You mention the attack on the Pentagon , but did you know that there is not one scrap of evidence to prove that it was hit by a passenger jet . If you have evidence to the contrary , then please present it and it will be objectively discussed.


Did you know that there is not one scrap of evidence to prove that it was hit by anything but a passenger jet? That is what people saw and that is what the physical evidence is consistent with.


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I'm trying to get everybody to look at all the evidence objectively .. Where is your evidence ?
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posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 08:30 PM
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Let me simplify things - the facts you allegedly seek are in those reports.

Ignore them if you wish. Ignoring facts while supposedly seeking the truth is fun to watch.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by tracehd1
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It does work out. Do you know how many people have *woken* up to our Government and how it's used *us* for their *end means* ?

On the day of 911 when those towers went down I did NOT immediately think...* Someone's Lying* but I did think this.."Wow...those towers are coming down like those buildings I've seen in Vegas getting demolished by those demo. teams." and that thought stayed in the back of my mind until one day, I saw a post that had my question and other questions. This was in 2003...when that person questioned the official story that thought came out full force about those towers and I knew right then why that thought acted like a tic that wouldn't leave me. If the way those towers came down wasn't true...then what else wasn't true?

Since 2003 I have converted a LOT of people and some of those people were so hard core Republican and Government and their thought was, *They WOULD NEVER do anything like that to their own people!* One of these people was really very hard core about it and when I first started telling him of what I believed his face went red. He was pissed that I would even think what I was thinking. I said one little thing that changed him around forever and those few words were... "I'm NOT trying to convince you what I think or feel or believe...I'm only trying to get you to LOOK at the evidence we have...and then....come to your opinion." He said fair enough. He now believes and I will never forget the look on his face when he admitted that the evidence he investigated....destroyed everything he ever believed in. I told him I knew exactly how he felt. It was like finding out for the first time that Santa Clause wasn't really real. It was devastating.

I actually witnessed a hard core republican, proud American, Hard working American, broken in a sense. He got a call from a Government worker that needed to poll him concerning some issue and the only thing I heard him say was this... "I cannot help you. I do NOT trust our Government anymore. They've lied to me to many times." He hung up.

It broke my heart. This is not a weak man. He owns his own business and employees a lot of people and gives back to his community as much as he can. So it made me think of all the proud Men of this Country that either fought for this country and our freedoms or lost people very close to them for those same reasons. Now here's 5 wars, innocent people are dying... He doesn't feel Proud of this Country anymore....I think he's actually scared. What have they done? What have they done?......................................................................................

People are waking up... not just here in the US but all around the World. But, as far as here is concerned... I do believe that more and more people are waking up..finally. I was very angry that a Man could steal a Presidency..not once...and we PROVED IT...but TWICE and we PROVED it...but the American people did absolutely NOTHING. I was sooo angry. My children will never forget the day that they swore George Bush into office... I cried... hard... I now know why I did. Anyways... there were a lot of people that tried to fight... there just wasn't enough of us out there to make a difference... to not allow it... 1 ant by himself...

I want ALL those that are guilty of murdering our people and those over seas to be brought to justice. Just because you didn't push the button that brought down the towers, or shoot the missile into the Pentagon, your just as guilty of those that did if you actually know something and have done nothing. I've always said that invading Iraq was central-foot hold to what their true goals were. All of the middle east and what it holds.





And that is why our constitution gives us the right to have an armed revolution if we think our government has been comprised. Why do you think so many local militia are springing up??? It has been compromised and if more fellows like the ones you talk about actually got together with others who felt the same way (and maybe there are groups like this), we could take this country back.

Why do you think the media is so against those militia?? Painting them as evil doers--- untrustworthy whackos, mentally unbalanced murderers with guns? That they constantly decry and belittle them very chance they get; they falsely accuse them of things that gets the people, like in Waco TX, murdered, because they want to send a msg to the militias.. don't even think of trying to take the government back by force or you will end up just like these folks.

But most assuredly, despite their terror tactics, this country isn't theirs, they being the NWO bunch backed by the Neo-zionists which include the Illuminati, the leadership of the Freemasons, all of whom were the ex-high priests of Israel before Israel was razed in 60 something A.D.

Luckily though, their time here is nearly done, and we normal folks just need to keep our heads down and don't believe all the crap they have their media spouting... especially once their 'tribulation' starts happening. It is their tribulation, just like the bible is their book. And the Angels of death and the returning heavenly host are real, but not really angels.
It'll be wild! Please, don't go shooting at the angels though. They are on our side. And for pity sake, DON'T let the NWO bunch drag us into Israel's war against these beings.
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posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by hooper
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Let me simplify things - the facts you allegedly seek are in those reports.

Ignore them if you wish. Ignoring facts while supposedly seeking the truth is fun to watch.


Why are you making yourself look foolish .
This is an impartial thread . Show me the evidence that lead to the reports.

Thank you .



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 08:39 PM
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Please please keep to the ethos of the OP . I understand your opinion ,but this thread is going to remain impartial and objective.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by tpg65

Originally posted by hooper
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Let me simplify things - the facts you allegedly seek are in those reports.

Ignore them if you wish. Ignoring facts while supposedly seeking the truth is fun to watch.


Why are you making yourself look foolish .
This is an impartial thread . Show me the evidence that lead to the reports.

Thank you .


OK, I was trying to figure the angle on this thread. I got it. Its the blanket denial and then the spiral down into blanket rejection.

Read the report - the facts are pretty well documented. But then again they're documented by the suspects, right?



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 08:46 PM
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Look .What is it about this thread that you are failing to grasp ?
Evidence
Evidence
Evidence
Either bring something to the table , or go and sit in a dark corner and think about what you have done .

This thread is impartial. Period
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posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 08:48 PM
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It does work out. Do you know how many people have *woken* up to our Government and how it's used *us* for their *end means* ?


I know I don't sound like it much, but I am very hopeful and I do believe we'll see the awareness spread in our lifetimes. I get pretty discouraged going toe to toe with these guys, and it shows. Thanks for reminding me.



Since 2003 I have converted a LOT of people and some of those people were so hard core Republican and Government and their thought was, *They WOULD NEVER do anything like that to their own people!* One of these people was really very hard core about it and when I first started telling him of what I believed his face went red. He was pissed that I would even think what I was thinking. I said one little thing that changed him around forever and those few words were... "I'm NOT trying to convince you what I think or feel or believe...I'm only trying to get you to LOOK at the evidence we have...and then....come to your opinion." He said fair enough. He now believes and I will never forget the look on his face when he admitted that the evidence he investigated....destroyed everything he ever believed in. I told him I knew exactly how he felt. It was like finding out for the first time that Santa Clause wasn't really real. It was devastating.

I actually witnessed a hard core republican, proud American, Hard working American, broken in a sense. He got a call from a Government worker that needed to poll him concerning some issue and the only thing I heard him say was this... "I cannot help you. I do NOT trust our Government anymore. They've lied to me to many times." He hung up.

It broke my heart. This is not a weak man. He owns his own business and employees a lot of people and gives back to his community as much as he can. So it made me think of all the proud Men of this Country that either fought for this country and our freedoms or lost people very close to them for those same reasons. Now here's 5 wars, innocent people are dying... He doesn't feel Proud of this Country anymore....I think he's actually scared. What have they done? What have they done?......................................................................................


Jesus...devastating isn't the word...I can't think of the word to describe the soul sucking depression I was left with. You've had better luck than I have, although you appear to have a calmer head about you than I do. I have managed to alienate everyone I loved, except for my wife, and one hard core republican. The hard core democrats (my old camp), won't have anything to do with me. Ironic, huh? My wife's family are christian conservatives, and we are able to talk about 911 and many other things. Everything is backwards from what I once thought.




People are waking up... not just here in the US but all around the World. But, as far as here is concerned... I do believe that more and more people are waking up..finally. I was very angry that a Man could steal a Presidency..not once...and we PROVED IT...but TWICE and we PROVED it...but the American people did absolutely NOTHING. I was sooo angry. My children will never forget the day that they swore George Bush into office... I cried... hard... I now know why I did. Anyways... there were a lot of people that tried to fight... there just wasn't enough of us out there to make a difference... to not allow it... 1 ant by himself...

I want ALL those that are guilty of murdering our people and those over seas to be brought to justice. Just because you didn't push the button that brought down the towers, or shoot the missile into the Pentagon, your just as guilty of those that did if you actually know something and have done nothing. I've always said that invading Iraq was central-foot hold to what their true goals were. All of the middle east and what it holds.


I hope you're right and folks are waking up...I don't see that in my circle, although I certainly understand why it's such a big hurdle...it means discarding everything you once thought sacred.

I remember going from shock to depression, to anger, to frustration, to "living in the twilight zone", where no one dares to bring up politics around me. Drives me nuts...

Thanks for your perspective...I feel better knowing some folks are making headway.

You've posted on a thread of mine before...if I recall you were censored for chewing out Bonez, so you're double all right by me.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 08:50 PM
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And that is why our constitution gives us the right to have an armed revolution if we think our government has been comprised.


I am a firm believer that this revolution will need to be non violent to succeed.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 08:50 PM
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My god that kid , Hooper has got a real chip on his shoulder .



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 08:50 PM
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Dear poster,

May I just say that I completely agree with your sentiments. However and please do not think that I am trolling here; but I am unsure of what you are trying to achieve. Granted, the premise is pretty simple but the logistics, given how you have started the post, are a little difficult.

The fact is, there are literally hundreds of posts already on ATS regarding 9/11 and asking people to post 'facts' on the subject to then discuss and ultimately come up with a solution, is literally impossible. I believe this because you have two distinct factions; those that believe that it happened as reported and the others, who believe it was a false flag attack. Not to mention that some of the facts are based on interpretation too, which gives both factions free reign.

You have not made it clear which faction you belong to and thats is your perogative, but consider the information already out there, it is always going to be difficult, if not impossible, to dissuade a member of their chosen faction to switch sides.

My advice, for what it is worth, is to start the post using the existing posts or at least, the bullet points from said posts, from BOTH factions on each of the relevant subjects and then get people to debate said points. The difficulty of course, is that there is a massive amount of information, so perhaps you would be better breaking it down into sections first, for example: the initial hijackings, how the towers came down, the pentagon etc etc. That way it will make the information easier to debate and digest as well as fact check, which is what needs to be done in terms getting to the truth.

What you really need is people who are willing to put in the legwork in order to fact check, as far as is possible, all information that is submitted and given the two factions being literally unable to believe blindly the evidence for either faction, you need two groups to gather interpret, fact check and present the information and then, gather and well, present it. ATS is definitely the place to find these people though, so perhaps refocus your post, recrutie the relevent folks and have at it.

For my part, I am a false flag believer and I am willing to help with fact checking; if you are genuinely looking to pursue this properly, u2u me and lets make this happen.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 08:55 PM
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Evidence

911 Commission Report

Evidence

NIST Report

Evidence

Pentagon Building Performance Report

Either bring something to the table , or go and sit in a dark corner and think about what you have done

There. They are on the table. Deal with them. Show me where they aren't factual. And simply calling people liars is not dealing with the facts. Its just blind denial.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 08:55 PM
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I have taken on board all you have to say and I totally agree with you .
I will be in touch , my friend .

Thank you



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 08:56 PM
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Hooper , thanks for the free bump




posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 09:01 PM
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This thread is almost 3 pages long and has so far acheived nothing .
With all the bright minds on ATS , is this the best we can do ?

Peace.






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