The Real power of the Vatican!

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posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 10:28 PM
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OP, you should be able to opt out.

I am only familiar with Germany as my bro inlaw lived there and told the government he was atheist to avoid the church tax.




posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 10:38 PM
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Originally posted by GhettoRice
I feel that like others have said this entire post by the OP needs to be put in quotes as they are not his/hers OWN words.

At first this looked like something decent....... please don't use others words as your own

www.helpfreetheearth.com...

This is a quote not a post.


AND WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA

Unless your Nezza on GLP (which is possible) then you gots some splainin to do

www.godlikeproductions.com...
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Lmao word from word. Funny the way the net leaves bread crumbs.
and loved the whoa's. Thanks I needed a light hearted post to chear me up a bit.

LOTZA LUV



posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 10:39 PM
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Do you pay to go to school? Sounds like a tax for schools and other services. So the 300 euro a month you pay is not a world wide conspiracy.



posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 10:47 PM
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reply to post by Mividau
 


yes teh powas on das GOOGLE

It even amazes me how far you can get with it sometimes (if only my parents would use it)



posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 11:09 PM
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Secular governments have no obligation to the Vatican. Why would nations and the central banking systems give money to a religious organization that opposes them in many ways?

The entire premise of this thread is ridiculous.



posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 11:47 PM
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If this is true then this takes the NWO conspiracy to a whole new level. The free thinker were already looking at an uphill battle but now the size of the enemy just doubled. And now most catholics will bow down because its their religious leader telling them what to do



posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by AntoniusBlock
Secular governments have no obligation to the Vatican.


Oh, really? Just speculating....or have you really done your homework?





The 1983 Code of Canon Law contains 1752 canons, or laws, most subdivided into paragraphs (indicated by "§") and/or numbers (indicated by "°"). Hence a citation of the Code would be written as Can. (or Canon) 934, §2, 1°.




Hmmm. Where else have I seen those little squirrel-y "SS"symbols? Why does the Papacy use "SS" in it's books of laws? What could it mean?


ETA: source of above quote: en.wikipedia.org...
edit on 23-8-2011 by Alethea because: add source of quote



posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 11:58 PM
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The book your referring to, is it "The Great Controversy" by E.G. White? I've read her books and some. Of the teachings of the 7 day Adventist. They have similar beliefs about the papacy and its influence on the world.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 12:17 AM
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Could it mean this?

wiki.answers.com...

aka scilicet



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 12:50 AM
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i enjoyed the read even though none of these ideas were yours.... www.illuminati-news.com... these ideas belong to this.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 12:50 AM
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Well it looks as if you can read all about it on wikipedia..
And as it turns out, In Iceland anyone who opts out has their money given to universities instead;
Isn't that nice!?



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 01:05 AM
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Originally posted by Malcher
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Could it mean this?

wiki.answers.com...

aka scilicet



from your source:



Commonly referred to as "jurisdiction".



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 01:31 AM
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And?



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 01:42 AM
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The post content has been doing the rounds for a number of years now. A quick search comes up with explanations, which you can make of as you like, for each of the OP's cut and paste points:

home.hiwaay.net...



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 02:53 AM
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Maybe the acronym USA was a play on words for "US ALL"?

Just a thought.

Seeing how its going tho.... its probably right!



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 03:37 AM
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Sorry but I have to ask you this: What country and what year do you live ??? .....I live in Portugal in 2011. This is maybe one of the most traditonal catholic countries in the world and we pay no tax to the church. They (church) live through donations/contributions from believers. People get together to build facilities and donate what they want/can when they go to the church.

I Also question most (if not ALL) of the information you posted in your extensive list.

Reading most of the posts here really amazes me on how easy is to desinform people as most immediatly accept what they read as unquestionable trues withouth even making their own investigation or thinking a bit about it or
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posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 03:48 AM
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From what i know, when the Pope visits a Country and bends down to
kiss the ground, it's a form of 'ownership'. Of course, he doesnt have to
do this each time he visits the same country, once is suffice. The Vatican
will be brought down along with all the other freaks running the planet. What
comes around goes around.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 04:00 AM
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Originally posted by Red Cloak

Originally posted by GreatScot
Please can someone inform me if this tax happens in Scotland UK, love all your info but come on even the guys they call terrorists who live in caves with no power know whats going on so how on earth are so many people mute on this subject please ATS lets collectivly gather evidence and create a information revolution educate the masses, no one wants to be a slave wake the sleeping giant.


Good luck. The ATS community is largely totally in agreement with the current system, or brainwashed by it. Just check out the US political madness forum for proof of this. They are not all disinfo agents either, because you can immediately spot them.
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Hmmm, how about not in agreement, not brainwashed but not relevant? Your response is to someone who asked if this sort of taxation is used in Scotland, it's not in place anywhere in the UK so it's not applicable.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 05:44 AM
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The US is constantly doing acts that would be retaliated against by Russia and China if the system was as the media claims it is. There is no way that the US military would be able to cause all the war it has in the Mideast, without it being authorized by Russia and China.

Yet, we are told that Russia and China are against all the Mideast war. It's really funny that anyone can still fall for this nonsense at this point. So yes, you are right. It is not just the US military. But what I meant is that it is the US military that does the dirty work.

They drop bombs all over the world and call it "spreading freedom". Mainly, the US is chosen for this so that they can be setup as the bad guy and that the peoples of other countries will not shed a tear when it is time for the USA to be removed. When that time comes, then the "policing the world" orders will probably go to China.


another good point


it is a classic Hegelian Dialectic.

always has been always will be.

Here's one theory and examples.

Hegelian Dialectics and Conspiracy



The dialectic takes this Trilateral 'managed conflict' process one step further. In Hegelian terms, an existing force (the thesis) generates a counterforce (the antithesis). Conflict between the two forces results in the forming of a synthesis. Then the process starts all over again: Thesis vs. antithesis results in synthesis.

It's like two companies with undisclosed common stockholding submitting competitive tenders for a project on a site for which their stockholder has different plans altogether. Whatever the outcome, the stockholder is in beneficial control.


At the present day:-

The Globalist Elite
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Thesis Antithesis
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Communist China USA and/or CIS (Russia)
| Conflict |
| |
West see Russia as under threat from China and unite with CIS
| |
Profit
|
Synthesis
|
New World Order



There is a relationship between Finance, Centralization, and World Hegemony. Until the outbreak of the First World War, money appeared to be a mere mechanism. But the arrangements made to finance the war reveal that the money system was in fact the vehicle of a POLICY, and that that policy was the CENTRALIZATION of power leading progressively to World Government. Prior to the outbreak of war, Great Britain was the CENTRE (but not the BEING) of world financial control; with the war, financial control was transferred to New York and from there used to dismantle the British Empire which, by reason of British traditions and the Anglo-Saxon character, had been the great barrier to World Dominion by those operating through the world financial system. The fall of the British Empire was a FINANCIAL accomplishment, not a military one. But the terms of 'peace' imposed on 'victorious' Britain are those which might have been expected following military DEFEAT.

But the Power which emerged into the open in this century had its birth long before that. It was incubated (but not conceived) in the Secret Societies of Europe, appeared briefly in the French Revolution, and spread to Britain in the form of Fabianism, and to America in the form of various Socialist societies. Following the first phase of the war, it openly took over Russia, and since has visibly spread as International Communism until it has taken over the greater part of the globe.

In our adversarial 'two' party politics:-

The Globalist Elite
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Thesis Antithesis
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Aust. Liberal Party Aust. Labor Party
or or
(US. Republican Party) (US. Democratic Party)
| Conflict of |
| general election |
Multimillion dollar borrowing of campaign funds
| |
Profit
|
Synthesis
|




the CNN / FOXnews paradox is a good everyday example

A paradox is a seemingly true statement or group of statements that lead to a contradiction or a situation which seems to defy logic or intuition

Typically however, quoted paradoxical statements do not imply a real contradiction and the puzzling results can be rectified by demonstrating that one or more of the premises themselves are not really true, a play on words, faulty and/or cannot all be true together. But many paradoxes, such as Curry's paradox, do not yet have universally accepted resolutions. The word paradox is often used interchangeably with contradiction. Literary and other artistic uses of paradoxes imply no contradiction and may be used to describe situations that are ironic.[1] Sometimes the term paradox is used for situations that are merely surprising. An example of a paradox is "This statement is false.", and is explained below.




and those things may cause this


Cognitive dissonance

Cognitive dissonance is a discomfort caused by holding conflicting ideas simultaneously. The theory of cognitive dissonance proposes that people have a motivational drive to reduce dissonance. They do this by changing their attitudes, beliefs, and actions.[2] Dissonance is also reduced by justifying, blaming, and denying. The phrase was coined by Leon Festinger in his 1956 book When Prophecy Fails, which chronicled the followers of a UFO cult as reality clashed with their fervent beliefs.[3][4] It is one of the most influential and extensively studied theories in social psychology. A closely related term, cognitive disequilibrium, was coined by Jean Piaget to refer to the experience of a discrepancy between something new and something already known or believed.

Experience can clash with expectations, as, for example, with buyer's remorse following the purchase of an expensive item. In a state of dissonance, people may feel surprise,[2] dread, guilt, anger, or embarrassment. People are biased to think of their choices as correct, despite any contrary evidence. This bias gives dissonance theory its predictive power, shedding light on otherwise puzzling irrational and destructive behavior.



and this


A merican Psychosis: What happens to a society that cannot distinguish between reality and illusion?…


another interesting link

REVOKING THE BULL
"INTER CAETERA" OF 1493



(from 1992)
We call upon the people of conscience in the Roman Catholic hierarchy to persuade Pope John II to formally revoke the Inter Cetera Bull of May 4, 1493, which will restore our fundamental human rights. That Papal document called for our Nations and Peoples to be subjugated so the Christian Empire and its doctrines would be propagated. The U.S. Supreme Court ruling Johnson v. McIntosh 8 Wheat 543 (in 1823) adopted the same principle of subjugation expressed in the Inter Cetera Bull. This Papal Bull has been, and continues to be, devastating to our religions, our cultures, and the survival of our populations.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 06:29 AM
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the holy roman catholic church is the remnants of the old roman empire they shouldve died with it but instead they get a nazi for a leader





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