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Sex with minors is a criminal offence... up to now "disliking" someone is not and should never be!!
Originally posted by Wyn Hawks
...if this teacher had posted on facebook that he was into cyber-sex with minors, everyone that is now behind this teacher screaming "freedom of speech" would be behind him trying to stick a knife in his back...
...does this school district have teachers sign an ethics agreement?... probably so since its fairly standard... if so, freedom of speech has nothing to do with this deal now since, by signing the agreement, he agreed to the restrictions...
Originally posted by Sphota
Originally posted by Mister_Bit
Originally posted by beezzer
I wonder what would happen if a teacher went to a church that was against things like gays, abortion. . . .
This would be in the public also, wouldn't it? I mean, a gay student or a student that might want an abortion someday might see that teacher go into the church.
Hmmmm.
Yeah, and god forbid if the teacher wants to paint their livingroom green and one of the students is offended by green paint!!
Great Sig by the way, made me laugh!
**My point for using this graphic sexual imagery is that he did not need to make the comment the way he did. In fact, he could have stated it in a more logical way, supported by some belief he has or biblical verse or whatever other moralistic stance. He just chose to sum it up with vomiting. Still, the kids should not be on his facebook page in this case.
Originally posted by Mister_Bit
Sex with minors is a criminal offence... up to now "disliking" someone is not and should never be!!
Originally posted by dreamseeker
After all we still have the freedom of speech don't we?
Originally posted by Wyn Hawks
...if this teacher had posted on facebook that he was into cyber-sex with minors
Originally posted by Mister_Bit
Sex with minors is a criminal offence...
Originally posted by Observer99
Originally posted by Sphota
What glib excuses did I use anywhere to deny any of the things you mentioned above? I only took a shot at humans with animals. If, by some miracle, a dog or spider monkey was able to consent to a relationship with a human being, then by all means, be happy. But, without a language faculty and all the societal trappings that come with it, I don't see that happening soon.
Do you have any pets? Do they consent to being your pets? Can you tell when your pet is happy or sad, loves you or is scared of you? Of course you can. As alien as it seems to you or I, there ARE people that believe they love animals. Why is it our place to tell them they can't marry one? It's just another double standard which you put in place to wrongfully elevate your own deviancy above the deviancy of others. The correct stance is that individuals are allowed to be "deviant" as long as it doesn't hurt others, but that society shouldn't have to be altered to encompass and recognize all deviant behavior as equal. Because in the changing and removal of societal standards, it ultimately DOES hurt others.
It's too bad that the media has told you for 30 years that standards are old and stupid. In reality, standards are necessary for a functioning society.
Originally posted by SphotaIt was the right of the teacher to have the opinion he so expressed. It was his right to express it freely outside of a communal space to which he had a social contract binding his actions and speech. It is the right of society to say that within the bounds of schooling, a teacher is not to take advantage of his position of authority to not infringe on the rights of others, students or colleagues.
I don't see how he "took advantage of his authority" in any way. Did he post it on a school website? In a school pamphlet or newsletter? Did he force it as the topic of his class? No, he just posted something online like everyone else does. He had a non-PC opinion, and his only mistake was being dumb enough to state it out loud, being dumb enough to believe that free speech still exists. Then the liberal thought police arrested him. He may be wrong for being insensitive, but the punishment doesn't fit the "crime", as usual.
Originally posted by SphotaIt is not up to someone else's religion to dictate my belief system at this point in time. I do not have entitlement or a "delusional belief of protected status". I don't know why you think I have this. I would like to know why, so please respond.
You have entitlement and protected status by the prevailing and enforced opinion of the media and the thought police, as clearly evidenced by the topic of this thread.
What would have been the reaction if the teacher had commented "Guys can marry multiple women now? That makes me sick!" or "Brothers can marry their sisters now? That makes me sick!" Not only would he NOT have gotten in trouble for "offending the sensibilities of a protected group", on the contrary, he might have actually gotten in trouble for bringing up or talking about such a "deviant" topic. Anyone that can't see the protected status of gays is truly blind.
As for "why it is up to religion to dictate societal standards" -- what other source would you suggest for societal standards? The principles of the christian religion were used to set many of the standards we live by. It took us a while to get it right. Now we want to throw it all out and believe we can live without those standards. Humans left to their own devices may ultimately retain no standards, and that's a recipe for destruction.
I suppose that some of the degradation of our societal morals may be directly caused by the NWO crowd, whose goal is to completely destroy the family and create a world similar to that described in 'Brave New World', where the state has absolute control of children (and everything.) But I don't think the Roman Empire was similarly brought down by global elitists. They were brought down due to a lot of the same things we are seeing today. The abandonment of moral standards, as well as unsustainable defense spending.
It doesn't matter whether Jesus existed, what matters ultimately is what beliefs and standards help society to best function for the most good of its citizens. Very, very few people can have an objective view on this topic. Very few people that agree with me are doing so for the right reasons, or can really see the big picture. IF denying a piece of paper to 3% of the populace prevents the degradation of standards which ultimately lead to the destruction of a society, if we could see ahead 100 years to visually witness the outcome, are you so selfish that you wouldn't even consider it?
Originally posted by Sphota
In fact, the teacher was/is entitled to his opinion. It's only that as a teacher, with students as friends on face book, he is not entitled to influence their opinion on matters wholly unrelated to class
I'd be happy with that viewpoint, if it would be applied to the entire school. No more talk about alternate lifestyles. No more talk about sexual behavior other than a one-time properly created sex education class from a pure biology standpoint, which can be opted out of. No more pushing of liberal agendas in any public school building. They can teach and talk about traditional subjects of education and teach the children skills. That's it. Any teacher, any faculty member which ever voices any personal opinion, or brings in outside people for the purpose of voicing their personal opinions, will all be fired. Are you good with that?edit on 20-8-2011 by Observer99 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Wyn Hawks
Originally posted by Wyn Hawks
...if this teacher had posted on facebook that he was into cyber-sex with minors
Originally posted by Mister_Bit
Sex with minors is a criminal offence...
...cyber-sex is NOT physical sexual contact with a minor - duh - nor was that the point of my previous post... so, as roseanna roseanna danna said, "nevermind!"...
Originally posted by Mister_Bit
you're just trying to be clever
I believe I AM discussing your initial post... that would be the one...... "..if this teacher had posted on facebook that he was into cyber-sex with minors, everyone that is now behind this teacher screaming "freedom of speech" would be behind him trying to stick a knife in his back...
Originally posted by Wyn Hawks
Originally posted by Mister_Bit
you're just trying to be clever
...i dont have to TRY, dear...
...as i explained before (with humor and tolerance), you totally missed the point in my initial post... you still dont get it or want to pretend that you dont, so now i'll be blunt... if you want to discuss my initial post, thats fine - but - if you wanna discuss anything else - i'm not interested...
Originally posted by Mister_Bit
No, I'm all about the right of the individual to have the right afforded to an individual. What that individual does outside of work hours in their own private time is their own business, they are NOT walking adverts or accountable and answerable to their workplace.
They are paid to do a job, which they do that is all, it's not a life sentence that they are accountable for.
What they express on their own personal page to friends and family is their own business... understand?
Originally posted by Domo1
Man where are we going to draw the line on this sort of thing? I don't think employers should have any say over what is posted on facebook. In certain circumstances I understand when someone loses a job over a Facebook post but this is not one of them.
Just because a teacher does not support homosexuals does not mean that she is going to bring that to work with her.
It's too bad she isn't more tolerant but she shouldn't have t oworry about her job because of something said outside of work.
Originally posted by snarfbot
youre either entitled to your opinion, and your right to express that opinion in a free society or youre not.
apparently the qualifier is whether or not the opinion agrees with the current sociopolitical climate.
so basically the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Originally posted by Mister_Bit
Sex with minors is a criminal offence... up to now "disliking" someone is not and should never be!!
Originally posted by Sphota
There may be people who believe a young child returns their love in "that" way
Originally posted by Sphota
Standards? What standards? You can just say words, but that doesn't mean your semantic loading of them must carry through to all other persons. I can say "morals" and mean "thieve's code" it doesn't make it so. Standard simply means regular, common, average, the bar to attain, the minimal goal, the "at-least".
Originally posted by Sphota
By your interpretation. That still does not tell me how "I" have protected status.
what other source would you suggest for societal standards?
Originally posted by Sphota
OK Hobbs, I guess Christianity is the only true way to really cement our social values.
Originally posted by Sphota
If you see the "family" being destroyed, I would like to know in what sense.
Originally posted by Kitilani
Originally posted by Mister_Bit
No, I'm all about the right of the individual to have the right afforded to an individual. What that individual does outside of work hours in their own private time is their own business, they are NOT walking adverts or accountable and answerable to their workplace.
Says who?
Tell that to every person that was fired for failing a drug test.
Tell that to every person that has been fired for being arrested or even denied a job for having an arrest record.
What you do outside of work CAN and often DOES reflect back on the place that employs you.
If one of my employees was all over facebook making racist jokes, you better believe they would be gone right quickly because it is really bad for business to have a known racist working for you. Get it? See, I have that right. You can talk about "rights" all you want but you have no "right" to be employed.
They are paid to do a job, which they do that is all, it's not a life sentence that they are accountable for.
What they express on their own personal page to friends and family is their own business... understand?
No, I do not understand. What you are saying is pure fantasy. I have a hard time dealing in fantasy.
There was a cop here fired recently for sexual misconduct performed while off duty. Why was he fired? Because it made the cops all look bad. Gonna come defend him?