It appears this thread is turning into a fight over the Jews and Israelites role in the world today and the end times.
So thinking about it I decided to bring in a view of the larger picture here. So I'm going to cite my old thread here and explain the larger
Curse of the Apocalypse
The bigger picture here? 2000 years ago approximately the Jews and Israelites triggered that curse with the death of Elijah the prophet/John the
The curse in question is a 2000 year top level Leviticus 26 curse. But it is also supposed to be followed by a thousand year day of Jezreel. The flip
side of the curse. Life as it's supposed to be with a benevolent God with his people upholding their end of the Leviticus 26 compact. So while it
appears that the Jews have been cut off from their God the truth is much worse than that. Their God swings from neutral at best to active hate. Read
9 Ephraim shall be desolate in the day of rebuke: among the tribes of Israel have I made known that which shall surely be.
10 The princes of Judah were like them that remove the bound: therefore I will pour out my wrath upon them like water.
11 Ephraim is oppressed and broken in judgment, because he willingly walked after the commandment.
12 Therefore will I be unto Ephraim as a moth, and to the house of Judah as rottenness.
13 When Ephraim saw his sickness, and Judah saw his wound, then went Ephraim to the Assyrian, and sent to king Jareb: yet could he not heal you, nor
cure you of your wound.
14 For I will be unto Ephraim as a lion, and as a young lion to the house of Judah: I, even I, will tear and go away; I will take away, and none
shall rescue him.
15 I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.
1 When Ephraim spake trembling, he exalted himself in Israel; but when he offended in Baal, he died.
2 And now they sin more and more, and have made them molten images of their silver, and idols according to their own understanding, all of it the
work of the craftsmen: they say of them, Let the men that sacrifice kiss the calves.
3 Therefore they shall be as the morning cloud and as the early dew that passeth away, as the chaff that is driven with the whirlwind out of the
floor, and as the smoke out of the chimney.
4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.
5 I did know thee in the wilderness, in the land of great drought.
6 According to their pasture, so were they filled; they were filled, and their heart was exalted; therefore have they forgotten me.
7 Therefore I will be unto them as a lion: as a leopard by the way will I observe them: 8 I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her
whelps, and will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I devour them like a lion: the wild beast shall tear them. 9 O Israel, thou hast
destroyed thyself; but in me is thine help.
10 I will be thy king: where is any other that may save thee in all thy cities? and thy judges of whom thou saidst, Give me a king and princes?
11 I gave thee a king in mine anger, and took him away in my wrath.
12 The iniquity of Ephraim is bound up; his sin is hid.
13 The sorrows of a travailing woman shall come upon him: he is an unwise son; for he should not stay long in the place of the breaking forth of
14 I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction:
repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.
15 Though he be fruitful among his brethren, an east wind shall come, the wind of the LORD shall come up from the wilderness, and his spring shall
become dry, and his fountain shall be dried up: he shall spoil the treasure of all pleasant vessels.
16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and
their women with child shall be ripped up.
These prophesies are from at least 700 BC. And all you have to do is look at the history of the past 2000 years to see this curse in action.
And this curse is the answer to the question of "Why there is a Christianity in the first place?" Per the prophesies of Genesis 48 and 49 the tribes
of Israel were to become a multitude of nations by the end times. The end of this curse. Which means that the world is filled with the descendants of
Christianity is a rescue mission sent to the world to make it possible that some people will deserve to live in tomorrow's world. And per their
agreement some Jews will make it too.
Malachi 3-1 I wonder if this is his message.
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