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Hmmmm, seems like Jesus's death wasn't necessary for everyone after all. Wonder why we couldn't all go like that.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
However, neither men have died. By human reckoning they are still alive because God took them and changed them. They have never tasted death as it is appointed ALL men to do.
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
Well I'm Jewish and I can certainly say we're very different. But let's not fight one another to prove a point. I've always wondered how Christians view their end times to say. What is the mark of the beast, the Antichrist, and everything else.
Originally posted by ManOfGod267
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
I can say I see that we have very different views of the future. But reading about the Antichrist being wounded (very badly) and surviving felt weird. Like I could picture myself as the Antichrist for some reason. Seeing myself being hurt and knowing I will survive. I had a dream like this in the past. Not saying I believe in the Antichrist or Jesus. But I read a little in the past.
Beasts are empires.
Not saying I believe in the Antichrist or Jesus. But I read a little in the past.
Then they would be witnesses of themselves.
Originally posted by Rustami
a problem would be that Jesus stated none were greater than John born of women and he that is least in the kingdom is greater than him, personally believe since the antichrist denies the Father and the Son and puts forth a particuliar meaning, they would be the two witnesses
John 8 would give one explanation for why there would be two.
Originally posted by Rustami
reply to post by jmdewey60
seems to be a few passages that define specifics like the Spirit of truth being a witness in John15 as well as the apostles
I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
John8
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Well i say they are the 2 greatest men to ever walk the earth because they are the only 2 men that walked with God himself since the adama (first man), and the only 2 since then to ever do so (excepting Christ, but for my faith Christ was God in the flesh). The 2 witnesses do not come before or after the beast, they walk the earth the same time as he does, and will be killed by him only to rise from the dead 3 1/2 days later. I got a link for you to check so you can read up on it. Some theology believes it could be Moses and Elijah, but i think it could be Enoch, because Moses did die as was his punishment for destroying the 600 commandments God himself wrote with his own hand.
www.gci.org...
I'm not saying this is how it WILL go, its just my take on how it could be. Not everyone is a christian or jew and if you are not then this doesnt really pertain to you since you don't have our beliefs. This about the Revelations, also known as The Book of Daniel to jews.edit on 16-8-2011 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Myrtales Instinct
But Jesus said that of those born of women no one is greater than John the Baptist. If we were to pick by greatness, John couldn't be excluded. But it was Moses and Elijah at the transfiguration.
I think the biggest clue is that they will be dressed in sackcloth (black/darkness).
Do you think it's a physical return or a spiritual return?
Originally posted by jmdewey60
John 8 would give one explanation for why there would be two.
Originally posted by Rustami
reply to post by jmdewey60
seems to be a few passages that define specifics like the Spirit of truth being a witness in John15 as well as the apostles
I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
John8
The sackcloth would be reminiscent of Psalm 69 where the speaker is repentant while drunks mock him.
There is the two things juxtaposed in both, the city to be restored, and the penitent.
Also there is the abyss in Revelation with the sinking into the water in Psalms.