America didn't do much in World War II (in Europe)

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posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 08:23 PM
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alot of Americans say that their country was the big hero in WW2 they always say that they did the most to win the war. but they didn't even fight as hard as the The Soviet Union did... The Soviet Union had 8 million military casualties during world war 2 and 14 million civillian casualties during WW2 with a population of over 186,000,000 total people the USA had 416,000 military deaths with a population of over 131,000,000 total people with only around 1000 civilian deaths... now the Soviet Union had around 13.50% total population lost as compared to 0.32% lost in the USA... now they also say that Canada did not do as much as they did. we had .40% population lost with 0 Civillian casualties, also Canada had been the first country to declare war on Germany. (September 9th 1939.)

US Ammunition was being made in 1939 and sold to Nazi Germany until Decemeber 1941 which is when Pearl Harbour happened and then the USA declared war on Japan and then Germany, Japan's allie, declared war on the USA, the things sold to Germany until 1941 would include mortars and bullets.

[I know how poorly written this actually is but you should just make it understandable in your head so you could get my point]

Now, americans always talk about fighting nazis in World War 2 but if you try to find them actually doing so on a search engine you will not find barely anything about the USA in Germany inbetween 1941-1945 except Omaha and Utah squadrons on the beach in Normandy being the only times i could find records of the USA fighting Germany... not to mention the war in Japan had continued 2 months after the war in Europe. yes I do know of the POW camps in Canada i live near one, Neys Park, where Japanese people were held obviously as Prisoners Of War.

I missed alot so feel free to PM me alot of the Facts I missed, have a good day ATS.



oh yea and the point of this was that they didn't do as much as they say in Europe
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posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 08:27 PM
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Cool story bro.......

Nice troll thread.............

You should also know that how hard you fight isnt measured in casualties...........If there are 5 of you and i kill all 5 of you attacking me, and i live, i promise you, i fought harder then you did.....

Not sure where your logic is

anything else you want to get off your chest?

YOu apparently dont know history, or dont know how to use the search engine.........seriously man.........

MODS in 3 2 1
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posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 08:29 PM
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Hehe your obviously intending to flare up a debate here. You sound like me.

The Russians lost so many more people for a couple of reasons. First off they were invaded so every death was either German or Russian pretty much and they also threw alot more people poorly armed into conflict substituting quantity over quality.

If you look at many of the wars in Europe you will find America involved in quite a few of them and it's also important to note that America played an integral part in pushing Germany out of Africa and defeating Italy thereby opening the way for an all out push into Germany.

America's involvement also gave Hitler a bigger western front to worry about so he couldn't throw more of his war machine at Russia, which he probably would have lost anyways because he was an idiot but that's another story.


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posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 08:31 PM
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I missed alot so feel free to PM me alot of the Facts I missed, have a good day ATS.

Yep, you missed a tremendous amount, public school education I suspect. Tsk tsk... Lest your thread devolve further into ignorance, take a moment to consider why it is important to look at the whole picture.


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posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 08:35 PM
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Say no more. Try again, child. Talk to a WWII vet who fought in the Battle of the Bulge and get a clear understanding of the experience and learn a little respect, why don't you?
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posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 08:35 PM
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America didn't win the war single handed but all the allies contributed to the success. USSR lost 1.3 million souls defending the eastern front, The UK entered the war very early on and stood up to a threat of which it was out numbered, out equiped and was behind in technology. The USA had a great navy fleet and supplied loans to the UK enabling it to fight the war before the USA joined. When the USA joined it threw everything it had at it and was eventually the catylist to tip the balance of power, however the USA lost the least men out of all of the allies. It could be said that the USA brought the greatest resourses, the ussr the greatest army and the UK the greatest courage. It may also be of note that the UK cracked the Enigma code at Bletchly that swung the war in the allies favour and invented the radar that beat the luftwaffe over the iles of Britian.

Just accept that we all needed each other FFS



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 08:50 PM
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Great... Soviets lost more so they fought harder?
Uh: if we were fighting the war in Cincinnati instead of berlin and STALINGRAD i can assure you more Americans would be dead than Russians (Thank God it was over there.)

UHM.. uH,,Let me think for10 or15seconds here: I dunno; maybe because The SOVIETS unfortunately LIVED there!

" You don't win a war by dying for your country! you win it by making the other poor S.O.B. die for his country!" ( (Quote American general George Patton).

What a troll. This is the last out right insulting "hate America thread "I am submitting myself to until middle school is back in session...
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posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 08:53 PM
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Military history of the United States during World War IIwww.ask.com...


who knows you might learn something... try reading



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 08:58 PM
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Europe only Exists because of America. You think Stalin would have stopped at Berlin if the USA was not there to say uhm I think we'll take this half so there?

I bet next your going to say America is a murderer country because of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I bet you going to try and convince me that Japan was not themselves months away from detonating a bomb and would have had we not them.

I think its sad how many people the public education system has failed and more so the garbage people believe that there hippie # professors are telling them in school. The damage is clearly showing.



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 09:02 PM
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I don't see how losing the fewest troops means doing the least in a war.
What kind of strategy is that?



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 09:02 PM
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If not for America we'd all be speaking Russian on this side and hailing komrade Stalin.

Thanks, but no thanks. Too much red makes you dead.



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by Old77
Europe only Exists because of America. You think Stalin would have stopped at Berlin if the USA was not there to say uhm I think we'll take this half so there?

I bet next your going to say America is a murderer country because of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I bet you going to try and convince me that Japan was not themselves months away from detonating a bomb and would have had we not them.

I think its sad how many people the public education system has failed and more so the garbage people believe that there hippie # professors are telling them in school. The damage is clearly showing.


Sad, very sad. Have you ever read a history book on the WW2 or are you assuming all of that of Hollywood movies? The Nazi's wanted the UK to join them from the start but they didn't. They may not have been as blessed as the US resource wise but when they were outnumbered like they clearly were the US would have had no chance against the Nazi machine if the UK surrendered as they would have controlled europe. It was initially the UK that stopped Germany from taking its grip on France and Africa. The US sisn't join the war until they were forced to. That is nothing to be proud of.



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 09:07 PM
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I agree with a post above, everyone had their part, its not about "who did more" and what not.

The chances of us winning the war without USA would of been slim, yes we may of won it in the end, but it would of lasted at least a few more years. We desperately needed more equipment and soldiers, and the USA gave us that.

People realy miss the point with this whole "We saved your ass in ww2" that we always get from americans (Im English by the way), the reason we get annoyed when people say that is because we fought through thick and thin, and people died by the thousands to protect our country and the world, it has nothing to do with who saved who, it's about joining together for the common good. Its just disrespectful to the people who lost their lives in the war to then have them tallied up and ranked depending on which country they where from, instead of the work they actually did.

And if anything, the russian weather was the greatest convenience we had in WW2, it stopped the Germans and gave us a huge advantage.

But it doesn't matter which country did the most, the people lost their lives for the world and their country, not the other way round.
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posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 09:10 PM
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("O.P.")You missed a few "little things" like
Utah and Omaha "beach(s)" (the d-day landings
that pushed the nazis out of France and then Belgium and American volunteers flying in the "battle of Britain".
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posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 09:11 PM
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Originally posted by misterbananas

[I know how poorly written this actually is but you should just make it understandable in your head so you could get my point]

Now, americans always talk about fighting nazis in World War 2 but if you try to find them actually doing so on a search engine you will not find barely anything about the USA in Germany inbetween 1941-1945 except Omaha and Utah squadrons on the beach in Normandy being the only times i could find records of the USA fighting Germany...


well you didn't do a very good search, this is just a wiki page, and if you do a google search there are pages and pages of links. just two quotes from the wiki.

Military Histroy Of the United states During WWII




European and North African Theaters
On 11 December 1941, Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany declared war on the United States, the same day that the United States declared war on Germany and Italy.[38] [edit]
Europe first Main article:
Europe first See also:
European Theater of Operations The conquests of Nazi Germany. The established grand strategy of the Allies was to defeat Germany and its allies in Europe first, and then focus could shift towards Japan in the Pacific. This was because two of the Allied capitals (London and Moscow) could be directly threatened by Germany, but none of the major Allied capitals were threatened by Japan. [edit]
Operation Torch Main article:
Operation Torch The United States entered the war in the west with Operation Torch on 8 November 1942, after their Russian allies had pushed for a second front against the Germans. General Dwight Eisenhower commanded the assault on North Africa, and Major General George Patton struck at Casablanca. [edit]
Allied victory in North Africa Main article:
North African Campaign The United States did not have a smooth entry into the war against Nazi Germany. Early in 1943, the U.S. Army suffered a near-disastrous defeat at the Battle of the Kasserine Pass in February. The senior Allied leadership was primarily to blame for the loss as internal bickering between American General Lloyd Fredendall and the British led to mistrust and little communication, causing inadequate troop placements.[39] The defeat could be considered a major turning point, however, because General Eisenhower replaced Fredendall with General Patton. Slowly the Allies stopped the German advance in Tunisia and by March were pushing back. In mid April, under British General Bernard Montgomery, the Allies smashed through the Mareth Line and broke the Axis defense in North Africa. On 13 May 1943, Axis troops in North Africa surrendered, leaving behind 275,000 men. Allied efforts turned towards Sicily and Italy. [edit]
Invasion of Sicily and Italy Main articles:
Allied invasion of Sicily and Allied invasion of Italy The first stepping stone for the Allied liberation of Europe was, in Prime Minister Winston Churchill's words, the "soft underbelly" of Europe on the Italian island of Sicily. Launched on 9 July 1943, Operation Husky was, at the time, the largest amphibious operation ever undertaken. The operation was a success, and on 17 August the Allies were in control of the island. Following the Allied victory in Sicily, Italian public sentiment swung against the war and Italian dictator Benito Mussolini. He was deposed in a coup, and the Allies struck quickly, hoping resistance would be slight. The first American troops landed on the Italian peninsula in September 1943, and Italy surrendered on 8 September. German troops in Italy were prepared, however, and took up the defensive positions. As winter approached, the Allies made slow progress against the heavily defended German Winter Line, until the victory at Monte Cassino. Rome fell to the Allies on 4 June 1944. [edit]
Strategic bombing B-17s in flight General Eisenhower speaks with members of the 101st Airborne Division on the evening of 5 June 1944 American troops approaching Omaha Beach Reinforcements of men and equipment moving inland from Omaha Main articles: Strategic bombing during World War II and Air warfare of World War II Numerous bombing runs were launched by the United States aimed at the industrial heart of Germany. Using the high altitude B-17, it was necessary for the raids to be conducted in daylight for the drops to be accurate. As adequate fighter escort was rarely available, the bombers would fly in tight, box formations, allowing each bomber to provide overlapping machine-gun fire for defense. The tight formations made it impossible to evade fire from Luftwaffe fighters, however, and American bomber crew losses were high. One such example was the Schweinfurt-Regensburg mission, which resulted in staggering loses of men and equipment. The introduction of the revered P-51 Mustang, which had enough fuel to make a round trip to Germany's heartland, helped to reduce losses later in the war. [edit]
Operation Overlord Main article:
Operation Overlord The second European front that the Soviets had pressed for was finally opened on 6 June 1944, when the Allies attacked the heavily-fortified Atlantic Wall. Supreme Allied commander General Dwight D. Eisenhower had delayed the attack because of bad weather, but finally the largest amphibious assault in history began. After prolonged bombing runs on the French coast by the U.S. Army Air Force, 225 U.S. Army Rangers scaled the cliffs at Pointe du Hoc under intense enemy fire and destroyed the German gun emplacements that could have threatened the amphibious landings. Also prior to the main amphibious assault, the American 82nd and 101st Airborne divisions dropped behind the beaches into Nazi-occupied France, in an effort to protect the coming landings. Many of the paratroopers had not been dropped on their intended landing zones and were scattered throughout Normandy. As the paratroops fought their way through the hedgerows, the main amphibious landings began. The Americans came ashore at the beaches codenamed 'Omaha' and 'Utah'. The landing craft bound for Utah, as with so many other units, went off course, coming ashore two kilometers off target. The 4th Infantry Division faced weak resistance during the landings and by the afternoon were linked up with paratroopers fighting their way towards the coast. However, at Omaha the Germans had prepared the beaches with land mines, Czech hedgehogs and Belgian Gates in anticipation of the invasion. Intelligence prior to the landings had placed the less experienced German 714th Division in charge of the defense of the beach. However, the highly trained and experienced 352nd moved in days before the invasion. As a result, the soldiers from the 1st and 29th Infantry Divisions became pinned down by superior enemy fire immediately after leaving their landing craft. In some instances, entire landing craft full of men were mowed down by the well-positioned German defenses. As the casualties mounted, the soldiers formed impromptu units and advanced inland. The small units then fought their way through the minefields that were in between the Nazi machine-gun bunkers. After squeezing through, they then attacked the bunkers from the rear, allowing more men to come safely ashore. By the end of the day, the Americans suffered over 6,000 casualties, including killed and wounded. [edit]
Operation Cobra Main article:
Operation Cobra After the amphibious assault, the Allied forces remained stalled in Normandy for some time, advancing much more slowly than expected with close-fought infantry battles in the dense hedgerows. However, with Operation Cobra, launched on 24 July with mostly American troops, the Allies succeeded in breaking the German lines and sweeping out into France with fast-moving armored divisions. This led to a major defeat for the Germans, with 400,000 soldiers trapped in the Falaise pocket, and the capture of Paris on 25 August. [edit]
Operation Market Garden Main article: Operation Market Garden See also:
Operation Market Garden order of battle Paratroopers landing in Holland. The next major Allied operation came on 17 September. Devised by British General Bernard Montgomery, its primary objective was the capture of several bridges in the Netherlands. Fresh off of their successes in Normandy, the Allies were optimistic that an attack on the Nazi-occupied Netherlands would force open a route across the Rhine and onto the North German Plain. Such an opening would allow Allied forces to break out northward and advance toward Denmark and, ultimately, Berlin. The plan involved a daylight drop of the American 82nd and 101st Airborne Divisions. The 101st was to capture the bridges at Eindhoven, with the 82nd taking the bridges at Grave and Nijmegen. After the bridges had been captured, the ground force, also known as XXX Corps or "Garden", would drive up a single road and link up with the paratroops. The operation failed because the Allies were unable to capture the bridge furthest to the north at Arnhem. There, the British 1st Airborne had been dropped to secure the bridges, but upon landing they discovered that a highly experienced German SS Panzer unit was garrisoning the town. The paratroopers were only lightly equipped in respect to anti-tank weaponry and quickly lost ground. Failure to quickly relieve those members of the 1st who had managed to seize the bridge at Arnhem on the part of the balance of the 6th, as well as the armored XXX Corps, meant that the Germans were able to stymie the entire operation. In the end, the operation's ambitious nature, the fickle state of war, and failures on the part of Allied intelligence (as well as tenacious German defense) can be blamed for Market-Garden's ultimate failure. This operation also signaled the last time that either the 82nd or 101st would make a combat jump during the war. [edit]
Battle of the Bulge Main articles:
Battle of the Bulge, Battle of Bastogne, and Battle of Hurtgen Forest The "bulge" created by the German offensive. Unable to push north into the Netherlands, the Allies in western Europe were forced to consider other options to get into Germany. However, in December 1944, the Germans launched a massive attack westward in the Ardennes forest, hoping to punch a hole in the Allied lines and capture the Belgian city of Antwerp. The Allies responded slowly, allowing the German attack to create a large "bulge" in the Allied lines. In the initial stages of the offensive, American POW's from the 285th Field Artillery Observation Battalion were executed at the Malmedy massacre by Nazi SS and Fallschirmjäger. As the Germans pushed westward, General Eisenhower ordered the 101st Airborne and elements of the U.S. 10th Armored Division into the road junction town of Bastogne to prepare a defense. The town quickly became cut off and surrounded. The winter weather slowed Allied air support, and the defenders were outnumbered and low on supplies. When given a request for their surrender from the Germans, General Anthony McAuliffe, acting commander of the 101st, replied, "Nuts!", contributing to the stubborn American defense.[40] On 19 December, General Patton told Eisenhower that he could have his army in Bastogne in 48 hours. Patton then turned his army, at the time on the front in Luxembourg, north to break through to Bastogne. Patton's armor pushed north, and by 26 December was in Bastogne, effectively ending the siege. By the time it was over, more American soldiers had served in the battle than in any engagement in American history.[41] [edit]
Race to Berlin
Following the defeat of the German army in the Ardennes, the Allies pushed back towards the Rhine and the heart of Germany. With the capture of the Ludendorff bridge at Remagen, the Allies crossed the Rhine in March 1945. The Americans then executed a pincer movement, setting up the Ninth Army north, and the First Army south. When the Allies closed the pincer, 300,000 Germans were captured in the Ruhr Pocket. The Americans then turned east, meeting up with the Soviets at the Elbe River in April. The Germans surrendered Berlin to the Soviets on 2 May 1945. The war in Europe came to an official end on V-E Day, 8 May 1945.

Time Line European Theater




now i will have to do some more research, but i think this is only major battles. this doesn't include all the little battles.
the reason russia lost so much is hitler had a h@@@ on for russia. he was gonna use the country to feed and supply his war machine. thats why he blindly went after them against the advise of his commanders in the field.



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by misterbananas
also Canada had been the first country to declare war on Germany. (September 9th 1939.)


I thought it was New Zealand....



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posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 09:14 PM
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So this is your own version of revisonist history of WWII?

How many times do you non-Americans have to be told that if it wasn't for our support of England with lend-lease and then joining the war, all of the rest of Europe and Africa would be speaking German today.

Dunkirk. Remember that debacle when Hitler allowed the English soldiers to be evaced? Your war was lost. We defeated them with your wornout help, and, yes, the Russians were right there from the other side, but damnit, the British were only tag-alones to the real push to Berlin. Do you also remember the Battle of the Bulge? Who drove the Germans back? Who built the tens of thousands of B-17s, who backed up your defeated navy? I could go on and on putting your drivel into its place.

You ae absolutely crazy with this talk that the US did little in the war. Hell, Hitler invaded russian his near neighbor. Of course, they lost more civilians and troops because Stalin would have fought to the last. Russia probably lost more people than the entire rest of the world in WWII. They were allowed to take Berlin that was the agreement between Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin.

Everybody paid dearly except the French in that war, so let it go. We rebuilt Europe with the Marshall plan and millions of dollars.

And it really wasn't our war anyway.Not at that stage.



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 09:16 PM
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Absolutely! the Americans should never have bothered... well...

... there were those North Africa, Sicily, Italy, France liberation things, but other than that the US didn't do anything. Oh, there was also that Japan thing, yeah they did that, too, but other than that, nothing. Oh, and maybe we should mention China, just to be fair?

The only people on that Continent who put up any fight and who didn't get the tails kicked were the Brits. And I do believe that the Brits would tell you that Russia would be a part of Germany today had the other allies not all created the western front, which is, after all, what collapsed the German resources-- along with the bombings.

Then there is also the matter of conquest. Let' see...

Who helped the defeated nations to recover whether liberated by the western allies or conquered by them verses who just kept those defeated nations as the "spoils of war" for forty years? Yes, the Americans had to airdrop food to the civilians because that "other" country was willing to starve them.

But other than those things, the Americans have no bragging rights concerning WWII.

This thread reminds me of the report I saw on the 50th anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima. They were at the Hiroshima memorial, and going through some sort of "Book of Remembrance" for people to write in. Many anti-US sentiments were inscribed by the Japanese public. Several American ex-patriots living there had written in the book, in Japanese, "Remember Pearl Harbor!" When asked, virtually no Japanese person had ever heard of Pearl Harbor.

And they say the victors get to write history.

Oh, that's write, real history has only just begun to reach the former Soviet Union. How is that working out for you?



posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 09:22 PM
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I would like 2 know where the guy who started this thread is from?????





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