America didn't do much in World War II (in Europe), page 3
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reply posted on 16-8-2011 @ 11:31 AM by babybunnies
Originally posted by IblisLucifer
Germany was never trying to win the fight against Great Britain and the US on the western front
Otherwise they would have never invaded Russia before invading England thereby making a 2 front war highly unlikely and victory truly possible and invading Russia after that which even Hitler couldn’t wait for England to be subdued would still be better then fully engaging in indiscriminant bombing of English cities and civilians lessening the English peoples will to fight a war after Dunkirk in May 1940 Which in itself calls into question the Nazis’ goal of conquering the world since the German held back for three days, thereby enabling British and French troops to escape.
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This along with many other blunders listed here for whatever reason given to explain for there incompetence should make one should question the purpose and motive behind them. the idea to bomb did serve to keep the general population terrorized from above made the people will the war to continue by strike fear into people, which in turn made them loath the Germans thereby compelling unity not just of people within Great Britain but because it was well publicized around the world but especially in the United States where public opinion had great empathy for the plight of the English people against the German aggression and for the occupied French population

With the US English and French people each experiencing the realities of the wars intrusion into their daily lives to be more or less a fearful inconvenience with most in the US being the greatest removed often being effect only by shortages of goods, this being more prevalent in Great Britain and worse still in France which like Britain face the threat from indiscriminate bombing of cities and civilians but additionally people could be forced to work against their will making life for many more difficult which in addition to the holocaust which is the only real difference between Axis and Allies for the most part was starkly different from east to west with 90,000 or 26% of Jewish population being exterminated in France, where Jewish population in Eastern European countries like Poland who suffered an estimated 3 million or 90% of the Jewish population wiped-out this I find best personifies the disregard for human life both sides practiced in the east with widespread scorched earth tactics and large scale terror against civilians. With German and German-allied forces treating civilian populations with exceptional brutality, massacring villages and routinely killing civilian hostages.

That decisions where sometime made not to achieve victory for any one nation but it seems inoder to help prolong the conflict and the fact that Great Britain and France never experienced the destruction and atrocities that Eastern European countries and peoples had to. Which leads me to believe this to be the greatest Mind f*ck in history making the real goal behind WW2 to be the ensuring that Capitalism and Western Europe civilization dominate the world by making it seem like the hero instead of the lesser of the two Evil options


You are incorrect. The Germans needed the fuel dumps and oil refineries that the Russians had in order to fuel their war machine for an attack on Britain. The attack on Russia was very specifically geared towards enabling an attack on Britain. Without the Russian oil, the German military machine was incapable of launching against the UK.


reply posted on 16-8-2011 @ 12:08 PM by CynicalWabbit
OMG some of you people should learn how to read and then go read a history book or two.

To fully understand the history of world war 2 you have to go back to world war 1, England was bled white in WW 1 (the English call it the lost generation) so they had limited manpower when WW 2 started and lost some of their best divisions and all of their heavy equipment in France in 1940 before the evacuation at Dunkerque which was helped by Hitler's decision to halt his panzers and to let the Luftwaffe bomb the English troops into surrendering. The US at that time started the "Lend Lease" program to help re-equip England with everything from food to aircraft.

The US had no plans to enter into a European war and didn't until after Japan attacked Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941 and on December 11, 1941 Hitler declared war on the US. At that point the US and England decided on a "Europe first" war.

On June 22, 1941 Hitler attacked the USSR with 3 million men and 2000 panzers and started what turned out to be the bloodiest and most vicious fighting of the war, over the next 4 years the Russians lost 9 million troops killed and 15 million wounded along with civilian losses of almost 14 million. The US also extended it's Lend Lease program to the USSR and supplied the USSR with huge amounts of equipment.

While the USSR was fighting the main part of the land war, England and the US were involved in a strategic air war over Germany and in the land war by causing Germany to take troops away from the Russian front to fight in Africa, Italy and finally France.

Without the cooperation of all three countries the war may have lasted long enough for Germany to build atomic bombs and possibly have changed history.


reply posted on 16-8-2011 @ 12:10 PM by thoughtsfull
reply to post by babybunnies


Sorry to intrude, but interestingly the Nazis adopted Halford Mackinders Heartland Theory (or geographic pivot) and for them to fully realise any dream of world domination they needed to control the Heartland of Eurasia which by default would give them control over Britains Empire.

The theory is distilled into this:
"He who controls the heartland of Eurasia rules the world Island, he who rules the world Islands commands the World"

en.wikipedia.org...

Which was further adapted by Nicholas Spykman in his "Rimland Theory" that was used in Americas containment of the USSR during the Cold War.

Amending Mackinders theory to

"He who controls the Rimland rules Eurasia, he who rules Eurasia controls the destinies of the world."

Sorry, perhaps slightly off topic.. but I find these theories really interesting as they give an insight into the minds of those who would wish to control everyone.



reply posted on 16-8-2011 @ 12:32 PM by bluemirage5
German war secrets by the thousands and the USA wanted them:

www.read-all-about-it.org...

www.2worldwar2.com...

magnetenergy.wordpress.com...

www.forteantimes.com...

iqxs.posterous.com...

NOTE: The USA promised to share much of the secrets of the Nazi's with Great Britain....and renegade on their promise. Great Britain is in no hurry to forget.

The above is the ONLY reason why the USA joined WW2 and the hit on Pearl Harbour by Japan was a "false flag" event.
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reply posted on 16-8-2011 @ 12:43 PM by ChrisF231
reply to post by Frira


Japanese school students are not taught about events like the Rape of Nanking, the Bataan Death March, Unit 731, and the brutal occupation of the Philippines, Guam, Singapore, Hong Kong, the Dutch East Indies, Taiwan (Formosa), Korea, and China.

The Japanese see Pearl Harbor as their greatest victory ranking probably even higher than their defeat of the Russians in the 1904-05 Russo-Japanese War and the Battle of Tushima in particular. Ironically it was the Battle of Tushima that set Japan on a path of aggression and conquest that would eventually lead to Pearl Harbor and their ultimate defeat in World War II. If you ever doubt this just go to Pearl Harbor and watch all the Japanese tourists laughing and making jokes as they cruise around the harbor in the tour boat, or visit the USS Arizona Memorial. They show absolutely no respect. If you ever get the chance, go to Honolulu and visit Pearl Harbor ... much of it is still an active duty US Navy base (as are almost all of the bases attacked on 12/7/1941) but there are tours and tourist sites.


reply posted on 16-8-2011 @ 01:32 PM by bluemirage5
reply to post by ChrisF231



You demand respect from Japanese tourists in Hawaii after dropping the A-Bomb over Japan? Have you gone completely mad?


reply posted on 16-8-2011 @ 02:09 PM by tangonine
reply to post by misterbananas



hurling 8 million barely armed people into MG42s isn't exactly "fighting hard" it's "fighting stupid"

Ask the Chinese.
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