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Michelle Bachmann part of the same cult that Rick Perry is in!

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posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 05:07 PM

A Christian Plot for Domination?
Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry aren't just devout—both have deep ties to a fringe fundamentalist movement known as Dominionism, which says Christians should rule the world.

I made a post about this a couple days ago. At that point I thought Rick Perry was the only person involved. Now however it seems that Michelle Bchmann is also involved with the same group. I'll include the video from my last thread at the bottom.

With Tim Pawlenty out of the presidential race, it is now fairly clear that the GOP candidate will either be Mitt Romney or someone who makes George W. Bush look like Tom Paine. Of the three most plausible candidates for the Republican nomination, two are deeply associated with a theocratic strain of Christian fundamentalism known as Dominionism. If you want to understand Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry, understanding Dominionism isn’t optional.

Put simply, Dominionism means that Christians have a God-given right to rule all earthly institutions. Originating among some of America’s most radical theocrats, it’s long had an influence on religious-right education and political organizing. But because it seems so outré, getting ordinary people to take it seriously can be difficult. Most writers, myself included, who explore it have been called paranoid. In a contemptuous 2006 First Things review of several books, including Kevin Phillips’ American Theocracy, and my own Kingdom Coming: The Rise of Christian Nationalism, conservative columnist Ross Douthat wrote, “the fear of theocracy has become a defining panic of the Bush era.”

Now, however, we have the most theocratic Republican field in American history, and suddenly, the concept of Dominionism is reaching mainstream audiences. Writing about Bachmann in The New Yorker this month, Ryan Lizza spent several paragraphs explaining how the premise fit into the Minnesota congresswoman’s intellectual and theological development. And a recent Texas Observer cover story on Rick Perry examined his relationship with the New Apostolic Reformation, a Dominionist variant of Pentecostalism that coalesced about a decade ago. “[W]hat makes the New Apostolic Reformation movement so potent is its growing fascination with infiltrating politics and government,” wrote Forrest Wilder. Its members “believe Christians—certain Christians—are destined to not just take ‘dominion’ over government, but stealthily climb to the commanding heights of what they term the ‘Seven Mountains’ of society, including the media and the arts and entertainment world.”

In many ways, Dominionism is more a political phenomenon than a theological one. It cuts across Christian denominations, from stern, austere sects to the signs-and-wonders culture of modern megachurches. Think of it like political Islamism, which shapes the activism of a number of antagonistic fundamentalist movements, from Sunni Wahabis in the Arab world to Shiite fundamentalists in Iran.

Dominionism derives from a small fringe sect called Christian Reconstructionism, founded by a Calvinist theologian named R. J. Rushdoony in the 1960s. Christian Reconstructionism openly advocates replacing American law with the strictures of the Old Testament, replete with the death penalty for homosexuality, abortion, and even apostasy. The appeal of Christian Reconstructionism is, obviously, limited, and mainstream Christian right figures like Ralph Reed have denounced it.

Sounds scary right? I'll get to how Bachmann is involved.

Bachmann is close to Truth in Action Ministries; last year, she appeared in one of its documentaries, Socialism: A Clear and Present Danger. In it, she espoused the idea, common in Reconstructionist circles, that the government has no right to collect taxes in excess of 10 percent, the amount that believers are called to tithe to the church. On her state-senate-campaign website, she recommended a book co-authored by Grant titled Call of Duty: The Sterling Nobility of Robert E. Lee, which, as Lizza reported, depicted the civil war as a battle between the devout Christian South and the Godless North, and lauded slavery as a benevolent institution. “The unity and companionship that existed between the races in the South prior to the war was the fruit of a common faith,” the book said.

One could go on and on listing the Dominionist influences on Bachmann’s thinking. She often cites Francis Schaeffer, the godfather of the anti-abortion movement, who held seminars on Rushdoony’s work and helped disseminate his ideas to a larger evangelical audience. John Eidsmoe, an Oral Roberts University professor who, she’s said, “had a great influence on me,” is a Christian Reconstructionist. She often praises the Christian nationalist historian David Barton, who is intimately associated with the Christian Reconstructionist movement; an article about slavery on the website of his organization, Wallbuilders, defends the institution’s biblical basis, with extensive citations of Rushdoony. (“God's laws concerning slavery provided parameters for treatment of slaves, which were for the benefit of all involved,” it says.)

In elaborating Bachmann’s Dominionist history, though, it’s important to point out that she is not unique. Perry tends to be regarded as marginally more reasonable than Bachmann, but he is as closely associated with Dominionism as she is, though his links are to a different strain of the ideology.

For believers in Dominionism, rule by non-Christians is a sort of sacrilege.

The Christian Reconstructionists tend to be skeptical of Pentecostalism, with its magic, prophesies, speaking in tongues, and wild ecstasies. Certainly, there are overlaps between the traditions—Oral Roberts, where Bachmann studied with Eidsmoe, was a Pentecostal school. But it’s only recently that one group of Pentecostals, the New Apostolic Reformation, has created its own distinct Dominionist movement. And members see Perry as their ticket to power.

“The New Apostles talk about taking dominion over American society in pastoral terms,” wrote Wilder in the Texas Observer. “They refer to the ‘Seven Mountains’ of society: family, religion, arts and entertainment, media, government, education, and business. These are the nerve centers of society that God (or his people) must control.” He quotes a sermon from Tom Schlueter, New Apostolic pastor close to Perry. “We’re going to infiltrate [the government], not run from it. I know why God’s doing what he’s doing ... He’s just simply saying, ‘Tom I’ve given you authority in a governmental authority, and I need you to infiltrate the governmental mountain.”

According to Wilder, members of the New Apostolic Reformation see Perry as their vehicle to claim the “mountain” of government. Some have told Perry that Texas is a “prophet state,” destined, with his leadership, to bring America back to God. The movement was deeply involved in The Response, the massive prayer rally that Perry hosted in Houston earlier this month. “Eight members of The Response ‘leadership team’ are affiliated with the New Apostolic Reformation movement,” wrote Wilder. “The long list of The Response’s official endorses—posted on the event’s website—reads like a Who’s Who of the apostolic-prophetic crowd, including movement founder C. Peter Wagner.”

We have not seen this sort of thing at the highest levels of the Republican Party before. Those of us who wrote about the Christian fundamentalist influence on the Bush administration were alarmed that one of his advisers, Marvin Olasky, was associated with Christian Reconstructionism. It seemed unthinkable, at the time, that an American president was taking advice from even a single person whose ideas were so inimical to democracy. Few of us imagined that someone who actually championed such ideas would have a shot at the White House. It turns out we weren’t paranoid enough. If Bush eroded the separation of church and state, the GOP is now poised to nominate someone who will mount an all-out assault on it. We need to take their beliefs seriously, because they certainly do. Q7zB8ctRRHD

edit on 8/15/2011 by drew1749 because: (no reason given)

edit on 8/15/2011 by drew1749 because: (no reason given)

posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 05:25 PM
Woohoo! Bring on the tribulation and armageddon! Lets get this barbecue started! Let em rebuild the temple mount, when that day comes i'm an eskimo.

posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 05:27 PM
If this Perry character becomes president, you can be damn sure we'll end up in some religious wars of some sort, once the U.S. becomes labeled as a Christian Nation. The absolute last thing we need, is anyone leading this country strictly from a religious standpoint.

posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 05:32 PM
It seems you are a little late to the ballgame but no problem with that, at least you made it.


According to Tabachnick, writing about Perry's announcement in June, GOP candidates competing for NAR support “include Sarah Palin, who has an over 20-year relationship with Alaskan Apostle Mary Glazier; Newt Gingrich, who was anointed by Lou Engle on an internationally televised broadcast in 2009; Michelle Bachman; Rick Santorum; and now, apparently, Rick Perry.”

I also covered this in-depth in my thread here

Nevertheless, I am glad to see more media outlets covering this very important issue. We cannot have people related to the NAR in power here, now forgive me for saying this but I really could not care less about our form of government, what I do care about however is having false Christians who are self-proclaimed apostles and prophets trying to infiltrate our government with a man backed by the Bilderberg group and a woman who is absolutely crazy.

posted on Aug, 15 2011 @ 05:51 PM
Amazing how these people get freaked out over the Mullahs in Iran getting a nuke, I get a little freaked out thinking about Bachman and/or Perry getting control of US nukes. Their beliefs are just crazy enough that would try to bring about Armageddon.

In a lighter note, starting to like the Klingon perspective:

posted on Aug, 16 2011 @ 12:43 AM
reply to post by Kords21

These Klingon's seam all right.

As for this Bachmann, Perry thing it does show the oligarchy at play in working to maintain their advantage.

posted on Aug, 16 2011 @ 12:59 AM
[font=courier][color=FF9600]So I am taking a wild swing here, if one wins and chooses a running mate, they will surely choose each other right? Question now is it going to be Dark Prince Perry and Vice lord Minion Bachmann or the other way around?


posted on Aug, 16 2011 @ 04:18 AM

Originally posted by BeyondPerception
If this Perry character becomes president, you can be damn sure we'll end up in some religious wars of some sort, once the U.S. becomes labeled as a Christian Nation. The absolute last thing we need, is anyone leading this country strictly from a religious standpoint.

Oh yah, never mind Libya... in addition to Iraq and Afghanistan. Never mind Trumpka going to the WH while boasting of involvement with the Revolution in Egypt.

posted on Aug, 16 2011 @ 02:25 PM
reply to post by kwakakev

These Klingon's seam all right.

I need to clear this up, I don't have a problem with Jesus, Moses, Allah, Buddha and all the others that had a lot of wisdom in their words and serve as good role models. It is the system of organised religion, dogma, conflict, power and control that has served its purpose and needs a long overdue upgrade.

posted on Aug, 16 2011 @ 02:28 PM
If Palin runs, she has my vote. Otherwise Bachmann.

Flame away.

posted on Aug, 16 2011 @ 02:36 PM
reply to post by tangonine

OK this is too easy.

edit on 16-8-2011 by bluemooone2 because: (no reason given)

posted on Aug, 16 2011 @ 03:09 PM
If Palin doesn't run, I'm voting for Bachmann.

If you're going to throw yourself into a fit, please capture it on video, I'd love to see it.


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