The Ridiculous Ron Paul BS On This Site Is Pathetic

Originally posted by petrus4

Originally posted by GeorgiaGirl
With your attitude, you suggest that Americans should never support ANY candidate, ever, because simply doing so is foolish. How would that be helpful?

I'm actually suggesting more, that you don't view candidates as complete father figures; who will supposedly fix everything themselves, so that you can go back to watching television without interruption.

The problem isn't the politicians themselves. It's the fact that people want politicians to act as their babysitters.

Yeah sure they do.

I think that is what every one wants.

All my liberal democrat friends and I are hoping for more establishment people in the middle to tell us what we can and cannot do. NOT.

What you are suggesting here is a bit of political propaganda pushed by neo-cons based on no evidence at all. Because we do not want the poverty stricken to starve to death IF WE CAN HELP IT - This is what the opposition and critics calls nanny state. I call it showing a little human compassion and mercy for the less fortunate and just being humane.

Nobody wants BABYSITTERS.

If anything, libertarians want less government intervention in their lives and more LIBERTY to do whatever the hell they want.

I am so sick of the mis-identifying and wrong labels people are throwing around and accusing liberal Dems of being. Dems are not all Saints and Sinners either but they are not looking for baby sitters and they don't want a Nanny State, they want a safety net for the least able to survive.

These lies are falsehoods being thrown out there and circulated by those who oppose a free people and will do everything they can to keep all people enslaved to a militarily directed agenda until they finally succeed in their mission - dominating and lording over all the peoples of the world.

reply to post by Red Cloak

I sadly completely agree with you and been having similar thoughts myself.
Personally I think nothing good can come if you vote for any side of this 2 party system.

A simple look at his voting record will show how he votes down any legislation on alternative energy but defends the rights of oil company's every time.

www.ontheissues.org...

It's fairly obvious that big oil companies have him in their pocket.

Originally posted by CaticusMaximus
reply to post by Red Cloak

 

Im noticing that as Ron Paul is doing better and getting more support, more and more lambasting posts about him are made that clog up the "recent posts" search and are kept at the top.

It seems the shilling and trolling campaign is ramping up. The "elite" know RP is a threat, and are doing anything and everything to make him look bad, and plant subconscious messages by holding slating thread titles in public view as long as possible, planting the messages even if the thread itself is not read.

Its obvious, and sad.

Ron Paul 2012!

edit on 8/13/2011 by CaticusMaximus because: (no reason given)

I hope you are not being serious.. They are troll or work for the TPTB just because they have a different opinion than you?

Originally posted by TomJRand

and if you cannot afford something you have NO RIGHT to have it.

I stopped reading after this. Clearly you believe you are entitled to material objects without having earned them. YOU are what is wrong with this country, not the Paul's.

Secondly, the idea that a man should be judged on the actions of his adult offspring is ludicrous.

So what if you are born poor then?? If this guy follows his politics then lower class will literally starve to death.
But I guess you don't care about that do you? You are probably one of those Americans who believe even basic welfare services for those who truly need it equals socialism and communism.

Originally posted by SupersonicSerpent
I am not american, But even i can see that the Only people who become president, all come from the same bloodline, Do you really think you elect who is the president, you elect 1 person out of the same blood line, Ron paul, will only get into power if he is slightly related to Obama and bush like the rest, The people are already chosen, all america gets to do is pick,Which corrupt president they want running there country next, My country does the exact same thing people need to open there eyes,

If you are making accusation like this - which may be right, I think you should at least have bothered to check Ron Pauls genealogy to see if he IS part of the Presidential Rat Pack, to see if he is related to Bush and Obama.

Otherwise you are throwing unsubstantiated claims out there.

I know he's not your President so why should you care but you care enough to know this.
Finish a thought or a premise at least. Now I have to check it myself.

Originally posted by kro32
A simple look at his voting record will show how he votes down any legislation on alternative energy but defends the rights of oil company's every time.

www.ontheissues.org...

It's fairly obvious that big oil companies have him in their pocket.

Proof or it didn't happen.

Even if Paul screws us if elected, i think i'd have a better time dealing with it, at least hes the type of man that can look you in the eye whiles hes putting it to you and to me thats a real man, not some conniving half wit that doesnt give a crap about anything but himself and his friggen handlers

To me at this juncture RP is the only man to run this country, hes got my vote

reply to post by Red Cloak


I quit at the point you started comparing Father and Son and trying to group them into on persona. While certainly the son learned some things from his father he is his own man with his own thoughts and ideas. The two are not the same.

reply to post by Red Cloak


So, with all the Ron Paul bashing, what would your choice for president then? Would you have Michelle, or Mitt, or perhaps Perry? Would you have America ran on Christian principles instead of Constitutional principle? What is your agenda in damning Dr. Paul in this forum?

well what the hell do you want us to do? vote for obama? vote for bachmann? santorum? perry? PLEASE GIVE US YOUR ADVICE! You've enlightened us Paul Fanatics and now that we realize we've been following and supporting a fraud SO WE'RE FINALLY MAINSTREAM!!!!!


HELL YEAH! RON PAUL NOW HAS A CHANCE IN THIS ASSBACKWARD COUNTRY!

Am I gonna take my chance on RP in 2012? Hell yes. Atleast he has consistently voted the past 30 years.... if he is a fraud then America is hopeless anyway so why does it matter.


and OP who would YOU vote for? -

reply to post by kro32


"Big Oil profits ok; Big Oil subsidies are not. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on barring EPA from regulating greenhouse gases. (Apr 2011)
Voted NO on enforcing limits on CO2 global warming pollution. (Jun 2009)
Voted NO on tax credits for renewable electricity, with PAYGO offsets. (Sep 2008)
Voted NO on tax incentives for energy production and conservation. (May 2008)
Voted NO on tax incentives for renewable energy. (Feb 2008)
Voted NO on criminalizing oil cartels like OPEC. (May 2007)
Voted NO on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jan 2007)
Voted NO on keeping moratorium on drilling for oil offshore. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on scheduling permitting for new oil refinieries. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on passage of the Bush Administration national energy policy. (Jun 2004)
Voted NO on implementing Bush-Cheney national energy policy. (Nov 2003)
Voted NO on raising CAFE standards; incentives for alternative fuels. (Aug 2001)
Voted NO on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR. (Aug 2001)
Voted NO on starting implementation of Kyoto Protocol. (Jun 2000)
Repeal the gas tax. (May 2001)
Rated 0% by the CAF, indicating opposition to energy independence. (Dec 2006)
Bar greenhouse gases from Clean Air Act rules. (Jan 2009)
Signed the No Climate Tax Pledge by AFP. (Nov 2010)
No EPA regulation of greenhouse gases. (Jan 2011)
Liberty Candidate: tax incentives for US-based alternatives. (Sep 2010)"

If he was in the pocket of big oil he would NOT have voted no on the Bush-Cheney energy policies.
the reason he voted no on the alternative energy bills was because they would cause more taxes for the people.

so I think your wrong.

Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by Red Cloak

 

So, with all the Ron Paul bashing, what would your choice for president then? Would you have Michelle, or Mitt, or perhaps Perry? Would you have America ran on Christian principles instead of Constitutional principle? What is your agenda in damning Dr. Paul in this forum?

You don't know Ron Paul very well. He thinks the Church should have more power than the government

The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders’ political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. — Ron Paul

The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance. — Ron Paul

danielmiessler.com...

reply to post by TruthWizard


Well you are free to make of his voting record what you will but regardless of the reasons it's clear that alternative energy get's no votes while oil companies get yes votes.

Enough to get a good idea where he stands on the issue anyways.

OK... so lets observe the debates and see how often Ron Paul flip flops to gain votes as opposed to all the other candidates. does this sound fair to you? Or are you so set on your own opinions to be able to change your mind. A judge listens to all sides of an argument before he makes his decisions as well as the jury.

Do your research for all candidates and the way they vote in congress.

This is only fair, and please don't just look at your own parties news for your information. Research all.

reply to post by Nobama

Submissions/contributions on this site are so often without merit.

Here the OP wrote pages of text filled with statements, opinions and conjecture without a single source...

Not to say that someone has to provide a source for every statement, but at-least for the more ridiculous claims.

For example, the OP states that because Ron Paul is from Texas that by default he works for big oil. As an agent for big oil, he's doing a horrendous job considering he wants to end our blood for oil wars...

A truly sad submission considering how much the owners of this site try to stress the importance of meaningful contributions...

reply to post by gladtobehere


There you make a ridiculous statement without any source. How much oil exactly are we getting from these wars?

Originally posted by petrus4
reply to post by JohnPhoenix

 

The thing that amazes me about Americans is, you would think that after they were hoodwinked by Obama to the degree that they were, they might have learned something.

After all, at the time, everyone was chanting, "Yes We Can!" along with him, and there was lots of camera footage of black women crying and hugging each other, and lots of blog posts on the Internet about how Obama was the reincarnation of Abraham Lincoln; as well as lots of New Age sites referring to him as the "Annointed One," etc.

Yet...here you are now. Guantanamo wasn't closed, Afghanistan and Iraq continued, Bush and Cheney weren't arrested and charged with war crimes like they should have been...virtually nothing that anyone wanted, that Obama promised, actually came about.

And you're doing it all over again. You're making the websites about Ron Paul, and what a glorious human being he is, and you're getting yourselves frantically excited, and you're telling everyone that he is the Messiah, and he's going to come and make all of the bad things go away, and wave his magic wand and give you all of your freedom back, and everything else you might want, besides.

It seems to me that no matter how many times Americans get kicked in the head by the cabal in Washington, they still go back for more. They just don't learn. Every time they get betrayed by the most recent member of the crime syndicate who goes into the White House, who they tell themselves is going to solve all of their problems, they just move on to the next one, without missing a beat.

How long are you going to keep doing this for, Americans, and still getting the same result? When are you going to think that maybe, it might be a good idea to actually try something different?

So what are you saying? Everyone should give up hope and not try to elect someone who MIGHT be able to make the changes that we so badly need?

What do you think Americans should do? Violent upheaval?

Obama was a HUGE disapointment, however, I also knew that anyone coming into the whitehouse after Bush was screwed.

Things have gotten worse and worse, and so far Ron Paul is the only one who seems to see America the way I do, perhaps someone else will come along and speak more sense than Paul, but until then, he seems to be the only one who is not afraid to stand up and speak out against several issues that are killing our country.

Perhaps he will get into office and not be able to change anything, but that does not mean people should not try.
I still have some faith in my country, it is dwindling faith, but he gives me hope at least, and that is a good thing.

reply to post by Darkblade71


This is probably the most logical reason to vote for Paul or anyone I think i've heard in a long time.

Very nicely said

reply to post by gwydionblack

Originally posted by gwydionblack
reply to post by Red Cloak

 

What do you base your facts on sir?

Facts? What facts? By facts I take it you are referring to this opinion based tirade?