Riots in Tottenham, London

reply to post by Deplume


And if you read any off my posts in this thread that was not the only incident which sparked off the riots on Saturday, the Police attacked a 17 year old girl also.

They did not answer any of the families questions. When they should have. If they had spoken to the family, in the first place none of this would have happened.

reply to post by AnonymousFem


I know this.. I have been reading your posts.
It started off that way.
Now it's about opportunistic theft.

Yes, it was started by the shooting, and the beating of the girl.. but if they were *STILL* protesting these things, they would be smashing up the state, not their high-streets.

If they'd kept attacking the police, and smashing police equipment, then people would be asking the right questions... all these people have done, is make it easier for the media to ignore what really started things.
I hate sky news, but that witchy-bint burley has a good point ''if they are protesting about inequality, police racism, poverty, and political issues.. why are they burning peoples houses to the ground?''

reply to post by Deplume


No probs

I grew up in South London in the 80s and was around at the time of the riots. There are some economic similarities to the current day:

1981: Brixton riots report blames racial tension
Last April's riots in Brixton, south London were caused by serious social and economic problems affecting Britain's inner cities, a report has said.
Lord Scarman's inquiry into what he called the worst outbreak of disorder in the UK this century also blamed "racial disadvantage that is a fact of British life".
news.bbc.co.uk...

I don't live in London any more, but I do visit friends there. I notice that there is an underlying tension and frustration. Everybody knows there's something wrong with the UK today, nobody seems to know what they can do in constructive terms to address it. Hence, when a flashpoint occurs the opportunity to direct some of this tension and frustration presents itself. I know it's ugly and wrong. As I mentioned before though, these are some of the most disenfranchised people in the UK; they have little or no voice as they have little or no money.

If one could give a positive outlet and direction for the pent up frustrations I believe we could achieve great things; change. Change is what is needed. There is a vast amount of injustice inherent in our current system. It is a system that works largely in favour of the existing rich and priviliged. The rest of the population gets whatever's left over. I know it could be argued that everybody has a fair chance in our society, however I believe that's wrong. I have seen how my black friends have been discriminated against and how I, a white guy, was treated differently and more positively because of the colour of my skin.

I think Lee Jasper gives some example of the cuts to youth support in his interview. Let's not forget, we'll be facing cuts in every quarter of social services to pay for the 'Great British Bank Robbery' and fund the next one.

With this in mind, and no justice in sight, how can things possibly get better...

Are these the riots of ungoverned kids raging against the machine?

Or is it the intifada in London we have been promised?

Riots or Jihad?

Sadly, so many on ATS don't know the difference.

reply to post by mike_trivisonno


Not that I've been to that part of the world in a while, but I would suggest demographically it most likely to be a riot.

PS. And if this was a joke, I just fell for it

reply to post by zanoni7


No joking. Just wanting to know.

Thanks for the information.

Riots can be dealt with but an organized islamic uprising is not something London needs.

reply to post by mike_trivisonno


No probs

If it had kicked off in London's Tower Hamlets area, that's a majority Muslim population.
Generally though, I think relations are good in this area; which is also very, very deprived.

Why don't they attack the houses of parliament rather than, doing this. And now it is kicking off in Hackney, live on the news now.

Does anyone think this is going to spread all over the UK or just remain in the Capital?

reply to post by AnonymousFem


My view, as stated in other posts (sorry if I'm being boring and repeating) is that the more social cuts we face because of the banking bailout, the more this will spread across the UK. We all know something's very wrong.

reply to post by zanoni7


Your not repeating nor are you being boring at all. I would have thought they would have targeted those places where all these cuts started, such as the banks, downing street or the houses of parliament. Rather than hit people's businesses or their homes.

Live from Sky news, shops are being looted again and windows are being smashed. More riots happening in Louishim town centre.

reply to post by AnonymousFem


That's the problem in my view. This isn't a coordinated or focussed objection, it's largely an indiscriminate expression of frustration and anger with a fair measure of old fashioned villany thrown in. If people collectively were to organise a mass peaceful protest it would show something much more worthy of govt attention, something much more threatening to them, something they really don't want... unity of the people.

reply to post by zanoni7


I find Teresa Mays statement patronizing, and some of the comments the sky news presenter is making. It is her government, the previous government and those bankers who have cause all off this.

And the sky news presenter is stating, the UK populations stands shoulder to shoulder wit the residents of Tottenham and The UK Government, and the Police, ums oh sure we are not.

Originally posted by AnonymousFem
Does anyone think this is going to spread all over the UK or just remain in the Capital?

Possibly, depends on government/police/army attempts to crush it before it spreads too far.
Can't imagine them letting this go on after two days, let alone allow it to spread beyond london.

Though I'd like to see them try and stop it, once the IPCC's initial findings are released (sometime within the next 24hrs apparently, for those who are interested)

Originally posted by zanoni7
My view, as stated in other posts (sorry if I'm being boring and repeating) is that the more social cuts we face because of the banking bailout, the more this will spread across the UK. We all know something's very wrong.

Cuts always produce reaction. And these cuts haven't even kicked in properly yet. Wait until winter, when everyone is freezing, and nobody can afford heating, and everyone realises youth/day centres that provided people with warmth and places to socialise really are gone...
That and the fact that Riots are to Conservative government, as Flies are to sugar bowls...

Originally posted by zanoni7
reply to post by AnonymousFem

 

That's the problem in my view. This isn't a coordinated or focussed objection, it's largely an indiscriminate expression of frustration and anger with a fair measure of old fashioned villany thrown in. If people collectively were to organise a mass peaceful protest it would show something much more worthy of govt attention, something much more threatening to them, something they really don't want... unity of the people.

Don't count on it hun.. Can you give me one example of the government listening to a mass peaceful protest?
I seem to recall someone getting killed by police at one of the last ones..

reply to post by Deplume


Well this is the third day and it is spreading over London.

So question is will other youths up and down the country take the opportunity to riot also.

Originally posted by AnonymousFem
reply to post by Deplume

 

Well this is the third day and it is spreading over London.

So question is will other youths up and down the country take the opportunity to riot also.

If they don't bring in the army...?
Sure why not?
Everyone loves a freebie...

Seriously though, I heard through a friend on facebook of all places, that the shopkeepers in Bradford and Leeds were getting jittery because they'd noticed youths gathering in more numbers..
Make of that what you will.
I go there quite often for festivals, and gigs at the university, some of those areas are really really poor.
Can't imagine people round there are watching the news and thinking 'My goodness, this is simply awful behavior'

Twitter has just exploded with the news that IPCC have confirmed bullet lodged in police radio was a police bullet. Not sure what this news will mean in terms of rioting, and community anger..
Just watch and wait I guess..

reply to post by Deplume


The army would not attack the public. I they did the whole UK would be in an uproar and you know it would.

Wow if this is true, then its not a surprise. They are discussing the shooting of this individual, they are saying the police did not say they were fired at. Shots were heard, one police officer fired his gun, cause he was in fear of his life, since he heard the gun shot. Unbelievable. Live on Sky news now

that the shopkeepers in Bradford and Leeds were getting jittery because they'd noticed youths gathering in more numbers..

Keep us up to date on that if you can tyvm, if anything happens, star for you.

Updated link of attacks. Updated every few minutes or so.

Describes some of the attacks, locations etc.

Originally posted by Deplume

Originally posted by AnonymousFem
reply to post by Deplume

 

Seriously though, I heard through a friend on facebook of all places, that the shopkeepers in Bradford and Leeds were getting jittery because they'd noticed youths gathering in more numbers..
..

Yes please keep us posted on this info.

reply to post by Deplume




I'm waiting for the first report of this happening outside the capital too man, if that is confirmed then damn.... this is gonna get crazy.