A very angry Liberal with regards to the debt bill.

Pink Floyd did "Together we stand, divided we fall." They borrowed the idea from Aesop's tale, "The Four Oxen and the Tiger."

As for the rest, I doubt that most people, liberal or conservative, are smart enough to understand exactly how screwed they are. If they were, they wouldn't divide themselves into left verses right "marketing groups" so easily.

Originally posted by iamjesusphish
reply to post by sligtlyskeptical

 

How about washington stops bickering and we the people stand united. this country is so divided it sickens me. Pink Floyd had it right, united we stand, divided we fall.

The really devious cannot work their evil agenda on people who are united and so no matter what inflammatory and reactionary devices, lies or manipulation it takes...they will do everything in their considerable power and use every weapon in their considerable arsenal.... to keep us divided and bickering among ourselves.

What brings us together like nothing else can?
War. And only war.

OH, quit the whining about everything! Nobody is going to get "screwed" by the passage of this bill, which should have never been debated at all. In fact, I'd be willing to bet an overwhelming majority of you have never been "screwed" by any act of Congress in your lives. Some, maybe, but not most. If I had a dollar for everytime someone said they were going to get "screwed" by the passage of this or that, since 1970, I'd be rich enough to be a Republican!

Originally posted by sligtlyskeptical
The truth is there was no good solution to the debt ceiling debate. Don't raise the ceiling and we likely get economic armeggeddon. Raise it and we are further into debt than we can logically pay under the curent system. Everyone on both sides should know our money system is the culprit and has left us in this bleak situation.

How about we all stop bickering about the neccesary evils like this ceiling raise and start concentrating on what will likely be the next big debate - the money system. Let's unite to force this debate into the presidental campaigns so that the next time around we can solve this once and for all. Let's actually do some research before commenting so you have some factual basis to your arguments. The goal is to make a lasting system subject to minimized outside influence and a smooth as possible transition.

Actually the truth is there never should have been a debt ceiling debate -- The Tea Baggers started hanging all this stuff on top of raising the debt ceiling -- these guys are idiots full blown idiots --

They have shut down protions of the FAA saving 16 million dollars -- while costing 1 billion in lost revenue -- Tea Baggers are dangerous.

reply to post by newcovenant


I have no issues with what you said.
However, if a energy company can use a tax break to expand on alternative energy and research, then I’m all for it. Or if they use that tax break to insure energy supplies so I can keep the heat on during the cold winter months, than I’m all for it. I’m sure you didn’t think of all of that with all of your great education. However, if this tax break is going to CEO bonuses, then I’m in the same boat as you. MAD.
Speaking of which. I simply love the comeback by every liberal, never involves facts or figures, but a simple statement about education. Referring to the fact that every liberal simply knows better than every republican. Please note, who had control of the spending and budget in 2006-2011? The senate and the house. Which party was in control? Democrat? What branch controls the approval of the budget? The legislation. So when spending has gone out of control, and the debt increase to rise, why do we have to look anywhere else except for the highly educated people like Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. This is your recession now. You have had the majority of control for over 5 years, and yet this economy continues to fail. I wonder if it’s because in general, liberal policies fail, and conservative policies like Reagan, succeed. Bold statement, but some truth. Look at Clinton, he incorporated some very conservative spending policies, what happened, economy was successful.
As far as this new debt deal, again, I’m in total agreement with this thread. It’s a joke, no matter what side of the aisle you’re on.

reply to post by kellynap43

I have no issues with what you said. However, if a energy company can use a tax break to expand on alternative energy and research, then I’m all for it.
Or if they use that tax break to insure energy supplies so I can keep the heat on during the cold winter months, than I’m all for it. I’m sure you didn’t think of all of that with all of your great education.
However, if this tax break is going to CEO bonuses, then I’m in the same boat as you. MAD.

Monsanto Profit Tops Estimates
www.bloomberg.com...

Herbicide gross profit will be as much as $900 million in 2011 before stabilizing at about $1 billion in 2012, Monsanto said in the presentation. Grant in June said he may divest the Roundup business after restructuring and carving it out as a separate unit.

This is only one of their products, (a billion dollars) and they are considering "divesting the Roundup business" because they are about to get slapped with a lawsuit because the "Billion Dollar Baby" ROUNDUP is a deadly toxic poison, killing birds, butterflies and bees. Jeopardizing the planet for the future....yeah give THEM more money. (like this)

U.S. subsidizes Brazilian cotton to protect Monsanto's profits -

On February 18, Republicans in the House of Representatives defeated an obscure amendment to the House Appropriations bill by a 2-to-1 margin. The Kind Amendment would have eliminated $147 million dollars that the federal government pays every year directly to Brazilian cotton farmers. In an era of nationwide belt tightening, with funding for things like education and the U.S. Farm Bill on the chopping block, defending payments to Brazilian farmers may seem curious.

General Electric Profits Up 77% But Company Avoids Paying a Penny in Taxes
jonathanturley.org...

has been unabashed in his close association with General Electric CEO Jeffrey R. Immelt, including naming him to head the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness. Obama has continued to shower such honors and attention on Immelt despite the fact that GE has avoided paying ANY taxes. Indeed, GE has demanded a tax benefit of $3.2 billion. Now, GE has posted a 77% increase in profits while paying less taxes than any of its factory workers. Investors are doing well even if the taxpayers are getting killed. The company increased its quarterly dividend for the third time in the past year.

Gas prices drive Exxon Mobil profit up 41%
money.cnn.com...

Exxon Mobil on Thursday reported a profit of $10.7 billion in the second quarter, up 41% from the prior year, driven in part by higher gas prices.

In response to your post...Uh yeah, I did think of it and I had a public school education. We could not afford to send me to college so I guess even that little bit of book learnin' is working out for me.

And so "if an energy company can use a tax break to expand on alternative energy and...blah, blah, blah"...
Sorry to interrupt such a sound and reasonable argument but...
Have you looked at the profits these companies are already making?
Why don't they take some of those profits and REINVEST them in their own company instead of waiting of more handouts from the government?

Almost every other business on the planet has to do exactly that.

Have you seen the mess your government is in? Is this the time for them to start scrimping on what they will and will not fund themselves? Is this the time to ask the taxpayers for MORE?

Has your electric, fuel or gas gone down in price due to the new research and alternative energy supplies they are finding or you are funding?

I for one, don't need a roof to fall on my head. I won't wait until I catch something before I realize I am being screwed. But that's just me and my cheap public school education.

This is only slightly on topic, apologies.

I really wish this country knew how to organize and protest. If we all refused to pay federal taxes by claiming exempt there isn't a whole lot they could do.

Of course you can do this independently, but without the numbers you'd be cannon fodder.

I can't think of a better, more effective way to send the message that we've had enough than to stop signing these bastards paychecks. I realize this would mean rough times for quite awhile, but it's getting to the point where a bold statement is the only thing that will generate a response.

I'm pissed off too, OP. We all got sold down the river.

reply to post by iamjesusphish


Love that quote. But I though Obama was supposed to bring us all together? He said he would.

Some advice to Obama: you can’t unite a group of people when you alienate them for being successful, or being a certain religion, or being of a certain creed.

Im all for this country being united once more. But please take something away from this quote from Fight Club

"Tyler Durden: Man, I see in fight club the strongest and smartest men who've ever lived. I see all this potential, and I see squandering. God ^&*% it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy $$#% we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pi$$@# off. "

Not all of us are going to be millionaires. Not all of us are going to have it easy. Some of us are going to have to work for a living. As soon as this country understands that , finds their place, works hard, contributes, there will be nothing more to discuss.

reply to post by newcovenant


So you have a better idea for oil? For natural gas? And coal?

Please enlighten us all mighty one. Because the last time I checked. The world kind of depended on those things to survive. To transport goods, to feed us, to heat us, to do everything for us. So as long as those companies are around and are making profits and providing energy for years to come, I’m not going to get to upset. But again, I’m not greedy. I work for a living.

Maybe you didn’t learn, but “Don't bite the hand that feeds you” Free advice for the day.

The whole debate has been smoke and mirrors, designed to make it look like they've been doing something.

It's laughsble that they think it's okay to cut $22 billion from student loan funding and eductation (amongst other things), but won't even consider ending the tax cuts on the richest Americans.

The entire brunt of these cuts (as well as the entire brunt of the previous cuts) will be on the shoulders of the poorest Americans and the middle classes.

Cutting funding for student loans in favour of tax cuts? I'm not a student, but this would seem to be mortgaging your future.

Not only are future generations going to have to figure out how to solve this problem once and for all, they're not going to be able to pay for the education that they need in order to do so.

I guess not having funding for a college education will prepare them all for the McJobs that have been created during the whole "recovery" (don't make me laugh) process.

Originally posted by kellynap43
reply to post by newcovenant

 

So you have a better idea for oil? For natural gas? And coal?

Please enlighten us all mighty one. Because the last time I checked. The world kind of depended on those things to survive. To transport goods, to feed us, to heat us, to do everything for us. So as long as those companies are around and are making profits and providing energy for years to come, I’m not going to get to upset. But again, I’m not greedy. I work for a living.

Maybe you didn’t learn, but “Don't bite the hand that feeds you” Free advice for the day.

Why the snide remarks? Oh mighty one? Don't shoot the messenger kiddo.
I know you are looking for someone to be angry with in all this mess but it ain't me, babe.

Maybe you should target your petty comments and snippy remarks toward the people who are screwing you.
Your elected representatives.

reply to post by kellynap43

Maybe you didn’t learn, but “Don't bite the hand that feeds you” Free advice for the day.

Don't bite the hand that feeds me?
I would rather feed myself.

Thanks for the freebie but, you do realize they use this comment and reasoning on dogs and slaves?

Consider me an angry liberal too about this debt deal. The fact that GOP can ask people for 8 years to give up their lives and freedoms, but the wealthiest can't even give up tax breaks that were supposed to be temporary in the first place? So much disgusting greed it makes me want to puke.

Of course Republicans have all their excuses for why they choose pollution, coal, oil over the environment, or inquality of gays vs equality of all, or why they choose war over peace, or reducing women's rights over right to choose... they have their reasons to hate illegals, women, gays, and poor people... and there is no changing it because we allow news organizations to freely misinform citizens and we allow news agencies to use that misinformation to intentionally fuel division in the country. So basically, this country is in the business of destroying itself. It's what it wants to do. It has modified all the laws required to destroy itself.

There's no point even arguing about it. I just wish I could leave it all behind and live on a planet that cares more about the environment, fairness, and equality than money. Where people reach out and help others without feeling resentment. Where the 'haves' are not resentful to put in their fair share for the good of society while remaining confident in the fact they stay billionaires. This disgusting Republican country and all its disgusting Republican followers... Doing everything for money, and nothing for the good of humanity and the earth, really at this point just feel like a mix of retardation, evil and greed.

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reply to post by spiritualzombie


There is no point in arguing it for you. Because you have NO factual backing and support for anything you just listed. It’s hard to argue against facts.
You and your party started this class warfare! You declared war on the rich. Well guess what, the rich don’t have to keep their business here. They will move them elsewhere along with 10,000 thousands of jobs, much like they have been doing over the past 3 years. So the next time you have a thought, let it go. Remember the rich are the people who provide jobs. Jobs pay for mortgages, food, transportation, etc. I feel like this is common sense but obviously you haven’t grasped that concept yet. Look at how the Russians treated the rich in the early 20th century with their new founded move towards socialism. Didn’t really work out when they persecuted them. The people of Russia are still recovering and will never be where they use to. I could list many over governments and nations that support your ideals, like Cuba, and list all of their failures, but it would be a waste of my time.
Please don’t be mad at FOX news for providing one view of the spectrum, unlike CNN< MSN < ABC

reply to post by kellynap43


wind power solar power hydrogen run cars... electric cars once we switch from coal to renewable power.

reply to post by babybunnies


I will be returning to community college in the fall seems the best route to take these days...

reply to post by iamjesusphish


Yea, because that works. We pay more into subsidies with companies who try to supply alternative energy then we do with Coal or Oil. Wind has 2% of the energy output that fossil fuels produce. Along with that, an Oil plant creates thousands of jobs which in turn helps the economy, a windmill, not so many workers are needed.

Next please.

Originally posted by kellynap43
reply to post by iamjesusphish

 

Angry Liberal? What for, didnt get your free money that you didnt earn?

Guess he didn't. But that's no surprise the repubs took it so the wealthy can have their unneeded tax breaks and to keep up the welfare for the corporations.

reply to post by buster2010


Not sure if that is all true, but even if it is, and if they stay in business, and I keep my job, Im happy.
If my boss is happy, Im generally happy. Its called life. Nothing is for free. Everything must be worked for and earned. Maybe if I work hard enough I might be in their position someday. Maybe not, I dont care. I have a car, a roof over my head, I get to do some fun things sometimes, I have food in my stomach....... I really cant complain. I make under 50,000 a year, and live very comfortably.