The War on Sex is Awful

and might i postulate that perhaps referring to sex as "cosmic" or "divine" or having to do with enlightenment is incorrect? Maybe a thing to consider is this: True cosmic, divine enlightenment exists when you realize that sex does not need to be part of it at all. When you can evolve past the primal hunger and look instead for the connection between mind and spirit and soul. What goes on with the genitialia may be fun, but it is just a phyisical thing. It is what goes on between two people's minds that can be enlightening. To refer to sex as enlightening seems laughable. It is just a pre-programmed moment of climax that makes you think that. Sex has to feel good or who would bother. It is not a "real" cosmic experience. Finding total bliss and happiness in a moment shared with a person whom you love, caring not for anything of the physical world, just to prolong the moment of connecting on a spiritual, now that in cosmic.

reply to post by chrissiel123


Prepare yourself for a daughter with an uhealthy attitude towards sex that will come out at one point or the other...soon as they leave for college...how about you just leave them alone?...If she'll want to dress provocatively she will, if not she'll won't...sounds more like you would be jealous of your own daughters catching any attention from the opposite sex. Weird.

Originally posted by dude69
reply to post by chrissiel123

 

Prepare yourself for a daughter with an uhealthy attitude towards sex that will come out at one point or the other...soon as they leave for college...how about you just leave them alone?...If she'll want to dress provocatively she will, if not she'll won't...sounds more like you would be jealous of your own daughters catching any attention from the opposite sex. Weird.

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actually what is weird is someone called "dude69" telling me to allow my daughters to dress like whores if they want.....that is so very weird really. you may have a problem. There is no harm in teaching my children to grow up first before considering what the audlt world has to offer them. They will have a good knowledge of what sex is long before then, it isnt as thought the whole thing is going to be kept a secret. They will also be taught that how they present themselves to the world is of great importance for their future. What they have to offer men is not something they need to flaunt in front of everyone. It does not mean they will develope an unhealthy attitude towards sex, it just means they will have a bit more respect for it than most women, and hoepfully they will value it enough to not go tossing it around to anyone that wants it. That is not unhealthy in any stretch of the im agination.
And as for your claims that I am jealous?? Not possible. I have always had and still do enough attention from men. I do not need to dress provocatively either. Men are attracted by my laugh, my sparkly eyes, my friendly chatter. I know of a few men right now that if i said comeon over they would be here in a minute with flowers for me to ask me out on a date. It is not about looking sexy at all. It is about being sexually attractive in ways that do not involve clothing and a promiscous attitdue. I can only hope my children will see and learn that as they grow up, that a woman who is confident and happy and caring will get any attention she desires, and it will be better quality attention too.

Originally posted by soulssong
Why not fight a war WITH sex? We can show the governments the true horror of war! Lube grenades, Self heating oil bombs!

Off topic?

Lysistrata would be a good read for you then as it deals with this very issue

reply to post by chrissiel123


Don't expect anything less than personal attacks or having words put in your mouth.
Their arguments have no substance and you hit the nail on the head when you said they were just whining about not being sexually liberated enough.
They focus more strongly on the material aspects and discount the others.
I wonder how many of them have worked with children or have children, likely none.

Well I am still waiting for several of my questions to be answered, but what do you expect when you pose a logical based question at someone off the emotional deep end.

reply to post by SmedleyBurlap


Ooh, definitely an interesting sounding read. I bookmarked it. Thanks for sharing


I can totally understand where you're coming from about the troubles associated with porn. Personally, I have a hard time putting any blame on the porn itself because I truly believe that the source of all problems will always boil down to people, and not the inanimate objects we often suspect are involved. For example, when an emotionally unstable person has a gun in their hand, everyone knows that is a problem. But many people want to say the problem is that people own guns, because I think it is difficult for people to understand how deep each of our own personal responsibilities can go.

Yes there are healthy ways to use those words, but right now on social and personal levels they are certainly used as psychologically destructive weapons. I remember being in high school and watching girls getting violently attacked and bullied by others for their promiscuity. It seems natural to the bullies because I guess they've all been judged in the past, and humans seem to replicate/repeat behaviors that had once hurt them in the past.

So many responses make me really sad. I am saddened to see people become so threatened at the mention of sex. If we don't have a healthy understanding of sex (I once didn't!), it's hard to even understand it is a problem. I see that evident in some of the nasty replies on here.

reply to post by nixie_nox


I have a very healthy relationship with my mom. Nice try though. You should have said that I disply tendencies that of a pedophile - that would've really riled up the herd and solidified your point
Im all for looking out for your kids health. But to demonize sex, such as woman Ive describe tend to do, is a problem in our society.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by Salamandy

 

So you are on here crying that you think a very specific group of women are trying to dictate sex to everybody, but you are demonizing and dictating to them that because they are: 45,mothers, periomenopause and female and dehumanized and belittled them in the process, making them lesser members of society.
If anyone is doing this, most likely they have teens and they don't want their kids to get hurt. Oh the horror.
I sense you just have issues with your own mother.

Get hurt? Do teens now have sex with lead pipes and brass knuckles? You sound very dramatic ...

I only aim to belittle the people who make laws or policies regarding sex. Woman that Ive described seem to be the main violators of this particular area of our freedoms

Originally posted by pplrnuts
The whole world is quickly spiraling into total burning hell and here I see a thread describing how 'awful' some war is on... sex???? SEX??? HUH??
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Am I tuning into a forum on another planet here?? What planet is my ISP providing my internet connection from here?? Must not be earth because earth has about a zillion more appropriate concerns to worry about than a war on ...sex.

Actually it is exactly the reason we need to adress it. It's because massive amounts of resources are spent "fighting" pornography and enforcing sexual behavior laws that could be used to address some of these real concerns. For example, with the threat of foriegn powers developing techniques to take out the US infrastructure (and the recent attacks by anonymous show how easy it is to do), massive amounts of identiy theft, botnets and the rest. A GAO recent report (I don't have a link to it if anyone does, please post) points out that 40% of the FBI online investigation resources are spent investigating porn. I'm not sure how porn represents a threat to national security. Here is a link to an interesting 2005 article on the "War on Porn" Washington Post: "Recruits Sought for Porn Squad" from which the following extract is taken:

The new squad will divert eight agents, a supervisor and assorted support staff to gather evidence against "manufacturers and purveyors" of pornography -- not the kind exploiting children, but the kind that depicts, and is marketed to, consenting adults. "I guess this means we've won the war on terror," said one exasperated FBI agent, speaking on the condition of anonymity because poking fun at headquarters is not regarded as career-enhancing. "We must not need any more resources for espionage."

Notice the squad is looking at regular porn NOT child porn. As of the last article I saw a few weeks ago, that squad is now up to 22 agents and continuing it's activites under the Obama administration. And yes, the things that they are tracking and investigating are the adult movies you can order in your hotel room, the adult channels offered by Comcast and other companies that we think are legal but in fact technically are not. It has been speculated that the reason that charges are laid only for certain kinds of porn, usually fetish porn, is that it isn't offered by the corporations like AOL, Comcast, etc that make money off porn.

Yes, the war on sex is being waged with massive resources being expended to try and monitor and control what is done concensually and in private and what people can see and read. Should that really be a top priority to expend our resources on when you so rightly point out that there are so many other things that are dangerous and that should demand our attention? I guess when the cyber attack comes and the US power grid, communications and other networks are gone, we can sit in the dark, starving and freezing but secure in the knowledge that thank god no one saw any bare boobies.

Of course that probably won't even be the case if the US executes the war on sex with the same success it has had with the war on drugs.

If I may try to point out the people who are to blame here:

If you or anyone you know was actually offended by Janet Jackson's boob slipping out at the Super Bowl halftime show a year back. These people need to be jailed.

Its these people who are the reason OP makes his post. I guess Ill call them "Time Wasting Nosey Bent Outta Shape About A Boobers"

THEY make this planet so frustrating!!

I mean really. Someone actually was so upset about the boob slippage that they called NBC/NFL to complain. I WNT TO MEET ONE OF THESE PEOPLE AND FIGHT THEM

Originally posted by Salamandy

Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by Salamandy

 

So you are on here crying that you think a very specific group of women are trying to dictate sex to everybody, but you are demonizing and dictating to them that because they are: 45,mothers, periomenopause and female and dehumanized and belittled them in the process, making them lesser members of society.
If anyone is doing this, most likely they have teens and they don't want their kids to get hurt. Oh the horror.
I sense you just have issues with your own mother.

Get hurt? Do teens now have sex with lead pipes and brass knuckles? You sound very dramatic ...

I only aim to belittle the people who make laws or policies regarding sex. Woman that Ive described seem to be the main violators of this particular area of our freedoms

edit on 31-7-2011 by Salamandy because: (no reason given)

Yet more evidence that the argument is based on material concerns versus emotional and mental concerns.

They say hurt and you go directly to sex with led pipes, there are other types of hurt.

Since you admit at aiming to belittle and otherwise attack others, at least give some actually evidence about your 45 year old women .

Otherwise you just come across as a hostile individual.

Don't lie about wanting to fight anyone Salamandy, you don't and you have probably never been in a real fight.
Don't take your self admitted frustrations out on others.

Originally posted by MasterGemini
And I am very much unaware of these atrocities you are accusing me of? Please elaborate or gtfo with lame personal attacks.

...my post didnt mention you at all... that you believe it was directed at you and responded with thinly veiled cursing is a personal problem that you should discuss with a mental health professional asap...

Originally posted by Wyn Hawks
...well, smedley, theres some folks you just cant talk to about SEX and, usually, you cant talk to em about anything else either - especially the atrocities their kind has committed worldwide...

...they're a kinky bunch, no doubt about it... their communion rituals are cannabilistic and their oldest cult endorses necrophilia via having virgins marry a dead guy... i could overlook that if they werent always trying to legislate morality for everyone but themselves...

LoL your accusing people you can't talk to sex about in worldwide atrocity.

Mental lol right.

reply to post by MasterGemini

Actually this is the age raised by the hippy and free love generation.

That would be me, the old hippy, my oldest is 43 and youngest is 23,

I think sex is a beautiful thing, the age of innocence is gone, destroyed by the raunchy porn and sex industry

Sex is a beautiful experience between two people in love.

I like this one,

“You are beautiful as Tizrah, my love, lovely as Jerusalem, awesome as an army with banners.Turn away your eyes from me, for they overwhelm me—Your hair is like a flock of goats leaping down the slopes of Gilead” (Song 6:4–5).

a flock of goats, lol

www.bartleby.com...

Rumi

www.khamush.com...

en.wikipedia.org...

Inanna
www.thewica.co.uk...

Whilst modern society seems capable of separating sex and love, one can’t help but wonder if this is just encouraging a hedonistic, self-centredness that divorces the heart from the soul;

their communion rituals are cannabilistic and their oldest cult endorses necrophilia via having virgins marry a dead guy.

That is so twisted, and unfair,

reply to post by MasterGemini


The reason it appears to you that those who disagree with your views only focus on the "physical" pain associated with sex is because the emotional/psychological damage from acting on ones desires would only exist if they have been repressed. If people didn't punish teenagers for realizing they have sexual desires, they would be able to develop in a healthy manner. When a developing sexual being is made to feel like those desires are BAD, that person feels BAD about them self. ESPECIALLY if they decide to ever act on such strong desires. This guilt about sexual desire doesn't just go away.

In short, it doesn't hurt children to learn about sex as an act of nature. To teach them it's a perverse or bad thing is what hurts them.

reply to post by MasterGemini


There you go. Emotional and mental has to be tied in. How about just bangin? You obviously are so delusional you cannot admit sex does not have to involve emotions or anything mental at all. My 45 year old woman would love to force us to believe you HAVE to attach emotions to sex, or that the two are inseparable, but this would be wishful thinking on her part. So what is your frustration? Why must you equate sex with emotions. It seems you bring the materialistic side into it with your emotional attachments and "what will others think of me: attitude. So, what is your frustration about. Ive described mine but Ill try to be very direct for you

Take for example the recent story about Michele Buchanan and her position to back some group that wants to ban porn. I have no idea how old she is but Id venture to say about 45.

Originally posted by Angelaisaac
reply to post by MasterGemini

 

The reason it appears to you that those who disagree with your views only focus on the "physical" pain associated with sex is because the emotional/psychological damage from acting on ones desires would only exist if they have been repressed. If people didn't punish teenagers for realizing they have sexual desires, they would be able to develop in a healthy manner. When a developing sexual being is made to feel like those desires are BAD, that person feels BAD about them self. ESPECIALLY if they decide to ever act on such strong desires. This guilt about sexual desire doesn't just go away.

In short, it doesn't hurt children to learn about sex as an act of nature. To teach them it's a perverse or bad thing is what hurts them.

Exactly!
Emotions do not have to play into sex - especially when you are just learning the ropes. After all folks, we are talking about pieces of skin and we are only humans.

Of course there is pregnancy and diseases. This is a conundrum that we have dealt with since the dawn of time. Its not going away and humans aren't loosing the very real, and strong urges to have sex. At least not until my group of 45 yer old woman get there hands on some pill and force males to take it at birth.