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150-year-old Advanced Photo Manipulation

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posted on Jul, 29 2011 @ 03:13 PM
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Pretty cool alterations!

Now if they can officially say that the Oswald photo in the backyard holding "his" rifle is a fake that would be great. You can just see that "something" just isn't right about the whole head / shoulders area. Something is off.

But, great post!




posted on Jul, 29 2011 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by TXRabbit
Cool thread!

Let's not forget this more recent example




You do realize that Oswald's wife to this very day still claims she took this picture and it is not a fake?

That little detail makes this case even more interesting to me because you either believe her or you do not. She says Oswald was a patsy, and I agree. For her to claim the photo was indeed fake would add more support to her case that he was not acting alone... yet she still says the photo is real and she took it because Oswald told her to.

For the OP...amazing thread. Some of us are always skeptical, but even I have to admit that I had no idea photo manipulation could be found dating so far back. Great thread



posted on Jul, 29 2011 @ 03:48 PM
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Good job OP!
More people should see this.
- This kind of things have never stopped happening! –

Some people (were ordered to) altered or fabricated photographs in the past.
In some cases they couldn’t make the photos disappear so they had to alter them and in others they wanted to “show” us something the way it suited them not the way it really was. From alteration to disinfo and to lies these are tactics to manipulate people.

Photos supposedly capture reality, a moment in time, therefore were/are widely used alongside history/articles/stories/news etc.
A picture is worth a thousand words but it doesn’t hurt to write an article alongside to convey the full story, right?

What I will say might be common knowledge to most here but for some reasons it is not 100% “active” all the time. Not consciously anyway.

Things that do not portray the truth as it really is are not only photos.
Most stories, ideas and “information” begin to circulate among humans by word of mouth.
Most end up in printed form and they automatically gain a level up in validity.
But photos, articles, news, World History etc., all those things that were deliberately printed to convey some information to us may have been altered.
Even old stories from people you would never suspect could be disinfo of this short.
Many things that came out in the last 10-20 years about conspiracy theories and Secret societies and TPTB could very well be disinfo.
There is no way to prove the validity or even the accuracy of any of these stories on the account of the first person who wrote about them or “broke his silence” and spoke to somebody who wrote the book/s.

If you have not entered such a Society yourself and learned and practiced the same things as them, then it all comes down to trusting somebody else who just speaks about it.

At the levels that they operate I wouldn’t even trust a spying camera in the room.
Don’t be fooled by outside appearances. From Ancient Drama to Shakespeare and to Hollywood they gave us a lot to think about Acting. Haven’t you seen an actor/ess being a completely different person from one movie to the next. Meryl Streep is one good example (she is even playing Margaret Thatcher now) or Al Pacino who has even played the character of the devil! Lol.
I think that Bush jr. is not so bad an actor himself. Think about it. You would be amazed to learn even a small part of what he has learned. (doesn’t mean that what he knows is the truth) (By the way presidents are just pawns. They are trained and follow direct orders.)

Life is not what you’ve been taught at school.
Better to think Life as a school imho.

Well done midwest !


edit on 29-7-2011 by Kanenas because: typos



posted on Jul, 29 2011 @ 04:16 PM
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really makes you wonder what kind of technology was available 100+ years ago that the majority of people dont even know of.



posted on Jul, 29 2011 @ 04:34 PM
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Very interesting i have some photos of civil war union troops with a dinosausr they kill, that were posted last year, photo shopping i know is not new, double exposure, multi-layering the like, thats how the debulkers work.



posted on Jul, 29 2011 @ 05:20 PM
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WOW~!!! This blows my hair back ~!!! if I could flag this 1000 times I sure would with another 1000 stars~! I ... really have no words..

I so hope that all the NASA photo's ..........hmmmmmmm...LOL



posted on Jul, 29 2011 @ 07:23 PM
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Great post.

I've learned two things...

That the US had a tendency to falsify and counterfeit documents all the way back to the civil war.
That the cowardly Ulysses S. Grant had the pathetic audacity to fake a photo with real soldiers.


This print (Library of Congress, Prints & Photographs Division) appears to be of General Ulysses S. Grant in front of his troops at City Point, Virginia, during the American Civil War.


Note: I don't know the history of this photo so I am just making an assertive assumption.

edit on 29-7-2011 by matito because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 29 2011 @ 07:24 PM
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I've actually seen this in my history book.
Pretty cool stuff and it questions when people say photo edit wasn't available back then.



posted on Jul, 29 2011 @ 07:36 PM
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Fabulous to see such photographic fakery being exposed. Wonderful. However, "let us not be throwing the baby out with the bath water" as they say in the land of proverbs. Admittedly there are more and more fake pictures and video coming. But if one takes a digital photo, and discover upon inspection that it contains the image of a ghost, no one one Earth or in Heaven is going to be able to persuade you that your picture is a fake. However, in the present climate, even if your picture is honest and the real deal, unfortunately no one anywhere is going to believe you. Sad.


However, I hope despite the negative climate that you will post your pictures and video anyway.


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posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 03:48 AM
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Originally posted by OwenGP185
reply to post by midwest
 


Those are very cool, I knew photo manips wern't born with the likes of Photoshop but I never suspected that long ago. I have to say they are pretty well done, I also work on a lot of photo manipulation type stuff.


I know someone will bring this up, since it has to do with the topic... Might as well be me..lol

With all the exellent Photo manipulation going way back into the 1800's, and some of those jobs are exeptional "even by todays standards"...

Yet.........

NASA cannot correcty or professionally cdoctor one of their own Hi-Res images and leave "shoddy", smudges or totally obvious cover-overs to hide what ever it is they think the public shouldn't know about..


Eventhough their total lack of expertise in photo manipulation makes it easy for even a child to see a fake..



Originally posted by notquiteright
Really informative post. I had no idea photo manipulation went back quite that far. S&F for this one. Thanks for sharing. I spent quite a bit of time on the site checking out the photos and their stories.


LOL Not just photo-manipulation...

Porn was one of the first major uses for photography..

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posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 04:00 AM
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Wonderful post op
I had no idea photo manipulation went back that far i just learned something new..Just goes to show nothing photographed or video taped can be proof of anything anymore..S&F



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 04:25 AM
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Wow, I've been out for the day and come back to check ATS and my thread is on the front page! I never thought I would see that, especially with it being my second thread. I am overwhelmed by the positive responses from everybody. I just want to say thank you so much! I'm glad everyone is enjoying this post. It's good to know there are so many other people on ATS that are interested in this like I am.

The motto here is deny ignorance. One way to do that is by educating yourself! Hopefully in the future we will be cognizant of this thread in relation to the various photo manipulations we encounter on ATS. Just like forgery, photo manipulation is an art that takes an expert to pull off, and I'm sure there were many trained masters throughout the history of photography before the modern age. It will be interesting to see if Fourandsix's future products will be able to determine additional photo forgeries from history or if they will be primarily focused on digital manipulations.



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 04:39 AM
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Another fairly famous case, the Cottingley fairies.









The famous Cottingley fairies were “photographed” by two girls Elsie Wright, 15, and her cousin Frances Griffiths, 10, in the last days of the First World War. The case got its international acclaim through Arthur Conan Doyle, the author of Sherlock Holmes, who was fascinated by the account and published an article in the Strand Magazine in December 1920. With the world’s attention focused on them, the girls had little option but to stick to their story. A juvenile prank had grown into a mass media circus.


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posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 04:56 AM
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The Cottingley Fairies photographs weren't manipulated. The girls actually took the photographs using figures that they had cut out of a story book. It wasn't until one of the girls had died and the other was in fairly old age before the truth came out, when the surviving girl admitted it.

@OP - Thanks for posting this thread. It is something I have known about for quite a while. The picture of Abraham Lincoln in your link is the one which first brought this to my attention.

S&F

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posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 05:38 AM
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Originally posted by nolabel
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The Cottingley Fairies photographs weren't manipulated. The girls actually took the photographs using figures that they had cut out of a story book. It wasn't until one of the girls had died and the other was in fairly old age before the truth came out, when the surviving girl admitted it.


lol, if you say so!


[By your own logic all those faked ufo shots where 'discs' have been inserted aren't a form of photo maniplulation... fine
Question of definition I thinks. The above shots were manipulated, forged, faked etc no matter how you try and interpret them, but you're very welcome to your opinion!]
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posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 08:39 AM
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Very interesting post. As others, had no idea that such manipulation had taken place so far in years past, and for what reasons.
But now, how do I decide what is altered or not?
I just happened to think of the old quote: One picture is worth a thousands words. It would seem that the opposite is now true


edit on 30-7-2011 by Suohhen because: Just remembered the quote



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 08:59 AM
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned this one yet.

That's Abraham Lincoln's head on John C. Calihoun's body, because apparently Lincoln's publicists didn't have a "heroic" image of him.
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posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 09:06 AM
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Government said, I had to say what they said. And if I didn't. This post would never be read.



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 06:29 PM
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Yeah. that was in the web-link in the first post.



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 11:05 PM
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Thank you for a wonderful and well articulated informational post. Photography has always been a high art in my opinion, though today's digital touch (don't get me wrong a touch I adore and am thankful for as far as the time and money involved) loses a certain essence...




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