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Originally posted by The Revenant
Well here we are once again folks.
I've been reading a lot of the threads here on ATS about the massacre in Norway of left-wing political activists. Usually, I'm on the left-wing side of the fence, and I'm quite happy to rant about scummy right-wing gits.
However, not this time.
A previous thread of mine highlighted my anger about what happened here. Consequently, a right-wing response to my thread and others appeared here.
I'm feeling sad about the response on ATS, including my own. We've all got riled up about the motivations of this Norwegian maniac, and whether or not he was motivated by fundamentalist Christianity, and extreme right-wing views. It's my view that he was in both cases, and that he is a shining example of everything I'm fighting against with religion and the right-wing. However, for the sake of this thread, I'm willing to forego partisan comments on this.
The problem I have is this.
ATS is NOT dealing with its' hatred. We all have it. I have it with my views about right-wing and religious people. Others have it towards me because I dare to challenge the right-wing and religious hegemony established here on ATS. I'm no 'big man', but I do want to be able to drop my harsh feelings towards the right and religious folks. But I don't know how - especially when people like Mr Breivik do their thing, and many on here either simply 'blame muslims' for his actions, or outright support him because he belongs to 'their camp'.
I want to be able to 'live and let live', without running the risk of right-wing or religious people imposing their views upon me because I stopped challenging them. We all know that's what would happen. In recent years, the Atheist movement has developed teeth, and has come out fighting - along with the Liberal movement which has really begun networking and spreading the idea that conservatism just isn't 'human'. I believe it is this resurgence which led Mr Breivik to feel his standpoint was threatened, and for him to go on a rampage. Lefties, Liberals and Atheists all like to argue and verbally attack on their views - apparently righties & fundy Christians like to shoot instead.
This is my fear, I desperately want to let go of my hatred, as it's beginning to get to me. But I can't - because what if one day another Breivik appears outside my door? I'm going to need every ounce of my hatred then. Where do we go from here?
Is the coming violence between right and left the only answer? Or can we find another more 'human' way of living with each others differences?
Originally posted by Question Fate
Ive been on ATS a few years
trust me, the hate isnt as hidden as you may think.
Is the coming violence between right and left the only answer?
Or can we find another more 'human' way of living with each others differences?
Originally posted by Zamini
The thing is, that extremists want to rile up people to fight each other. People who are pretty much in the same social-economic position. Why? Because they themselves have been duped by hate-ridden ideologies.
With our hatreds and our visceral reactions, we are all being duped into not seeing the real enemies.
But how do we intercept the war?
How do we stop the escalation that people are 'braying' for after Breivik's massacre?
I don't want to fight. I'm a lover not a fighter!
For the first time last week I had to alert moderators to what was an obvious incitement to racial hatred - and guess what? It's still there.
Originally posted by havok
reply to post by The Revenant
Do not take offense to this statement...it is in no way an attack.
All I can say to your post is that you better get off your left wing and fly on your own.
You sound well programmed.
To truly be aware of what is taking place, one must put aside all the MSM rhetoric.
Which is exactly where I see you are getting your description of your "side" or view...
So keep falling for the lingo.
Keep on your side of the fence.
Don't dare question your party or affiliation.
Or where the name actually originated from.
Or the roots of "left-wing" ideals.
Because you might be very shocked what you find.
Democrats from the 1800's would hang/tar/feather democrats of today.
Just for using the language to describe their party.
And both sides are actually making the same mistakes.
Almost as if on purpose.
Deception, divide and conquer, whatever you want to call it.
If we the people don't start standing on our own two feet...
Rather than believing everything the television tells us (MSM, CONgress) to believe...
We are going to have another Civil War.
Which is not necessary.
But that is, IMO, the plan.
United we stand, Divided we fall.
Truly means just that.
Originally posted by The Revenant
ATS is NOT dealing with its' hatred.
This is my fear, I desperately want to let go of my hatred, as it's beginning to get to me. But I can't - because what if one day another Breivik appears outside my door? I'm going to need every ounce of my hatred then.
Where do we go from here?