Survey time on ATS, what is more imporant to you? Tax Breaks for the rich or Social Service Programs

i definitely vote B

it would be about time that the rich paid their dues. i would even go so far as to say the more you make the higher percentage you should pay. after all there are lots of the rich that have more money than they could ever hope to spend anyway.

definitely we need to keep the SS and welfare systems in place. i would like to see some changes to the welfare system tho. first instead of being handouts, the people on welfare should receive training so that they might be able to actually get a job, that could support themselves. thus reducing the actual spending on welfare in the long run. the time of the welfare "family" (there are generations that have had to be on welfare), needs to end.

also by taxing those with all the cash harder there should be money available for decent educations. how many people out there would have loved the opportunity to actually go to collage this would make the country able to be a little more self supportive. people with a better education are able to do much more in the workforce. after all we really can't have "homer simpson" types doing things like running a nuclear reactor

i would also clamp down on companies who send jobs overseas. bring manufacturing BACK to north america. if say for example gm wants to make their vehicles in china for example. just tax the heck out of it so that it is NOT cheaper to pay the cheaper labor costs in other nations. this would bring many jobs back, and we need that. jobs = work available = people working for a living = more money that can be spent for everything = more jobs, higher pay ect. all this buying stuff made elsewhere really hurts the economy. it takes the money out from here and gives it to countries, we NEED the MONEY to stay here. if it was made to cost less producing for ourselves things would be much more stable, we shouldn't BE the worlds consumer. keep in mind it would ALSO mean more TAX DOLLARS for the government to play with.

"what is more imporant to you? Tax Breaks for the rich or Social Service Programs?" For a couple of mils, I'll take "tax breaks for the rich", Bob! The rich can spend money on blings, vacations, etc... and thereby provide not only jobs for these goodies and services but also revenue back to the government in the form of "taxes". Bottomline: The government MUST cut spending for social service programs, which spoils the lazy ones into further destitution.

This is a very loaded question:

What is more imporant to everyone here, tax breaks for the rich or maintaining social services which has served as our nation's backbone for nearly 80 years now?

But aren’t all questions here on ATS nowadays loaded? Anyways I will bite.

A - Continued tax breaks, cuts and corporate welfare for the rich?

End all of that.

B- Financing social service programs by eliminating tax breaks and corporate welfare?

Finance them by those tax increases, yes, but these also need to be cut back so as to begin lowering our budget deficits and creating assurance on our future ability to pay down the accumulated debt.

So I guess B would be my answer.

I am completely reliant on my SS check - and I would give it up in a heartbeat if it were the final straw, the ultimate catalyst to the masses waking up and taking a stand, finally, against the raping of this country, its treasure and its people, by the powerful and rich ultra-few.

If this crisis passes and the masses settle back into their ideological cocoons, one day there will be no more middle class - just a working slave class hoping for the noble class to have pity and throw them a bone. And they won't.

We should get rid of the social services and keep the tax breaks. Remember trickle down will SAVE AMERICA it's only been 30+ years just a few more decades and it will really pay off. We should listen to the repubs on this one they know whats best for the elite I mean us.

Taxes have very little to do with what is important now. Neither choice is available. Taxing 100% of all income over $200,000 for everone in the country nets around $180B more. There is a $1.4T DEFICIT never mind +$4T overall budget. Taxes won't even scratch the surface of the ANNUAL deficit. Stopping spending is the only choice. BIG TIME. Sorry leaches.

Originally posted by buster2010
We should get rid of the social services and keep the tax breaks. Remember trickle down will SAVE AMERICA it's only been 30+ years just a few more decades and it will really pay off. We should listen to the repubs on this one they know whats best for the elite I mean us.

Repeal the 17th amendment and put in place 15% collection at the point-of-sale for all goods and services. Specify 15% to require a constitutional amendment to raise it instead of willy-nilly. You will get the enormous underground economy taxed. The paycheck witholdings is eliminated. What you earn is what you take home.

Family pool health and retirement savings accounts instead of FICA, Obamacare, medicare, etc. Generation to generation transferable that no govt structure can ever touch in any way, shape or form.

So your little survey has to go your way only?

a) vote for obama
b) vote for Obama
c) don't vote

Originally posted by tkwasny

Originally posted by buster2010
We should get rid of the social services and keep the tax breaks. Remember trickle down will SAVE AMERICA it's only been 30+ years just a few more decades and it will really pay off. We should listen to the repubs on this one they know whats best for the elite I mean us.

Repeal the 17th amendment and put in place 15% collection at the point-of-sale for all goods and services. Specify 15% to require a constitutional amendment to raise it instead of willy-nilly. You will get the enormous underground economy taxed. The paycheck witholdings is eliminated. What you earn is what you take home.

Family pool health and retirement savings accounts instead of FICA, Obamacare, medicare, etc. Generation to generation transferable that no govt structure can ever touch in any way, shape or form.

Repubs won't support a flat tax.

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by tkwasny

Originally posted by buster2010
We should get rid of the social services and keep the tax breaks. Remember trickle down will SAVE AMERICA it's only been 30+ years just a few more decades and it will really pay off. We should listen to the repubs on this one they know whats best for the elite I mean us.

Repeal the 17th amendment and put in place 15% collection at the point-of-sale for all goods and services. Specify 15% to require a constitutional amendment to raise it instead of willy-nilly. You will get the enormous underground economy taxed. The paycheck witholdings is eliminated. What you earn is what you take home.

Family pool health and retirement savings accounts instead of FICA, Obamacare, medicare, etc. Generation to generation transferable that no govt structure can ever touch in any way, shape or form.

Repubs won't support a flat tax.

It's because both parties are on the same side against the individuals freedom.

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1
I choose B now let's get the budget done. The Dems have conceded to some spending cuts but the Rep have not budged on anything. Compromise takes 2 sides.

Given the 2 options presented, I choose neither. There are other paths and other options available. Your two choices both fail.

Well, it is obvious. TO tax the middle class, why, because they are the many and will help out the most. Cut all social service programs, hell, cut them all. The faster we get out of debt. OK. The people have had plenty of time to help themselves, so now is the time to cut all. This will get us out of debt faster and maybe we will not be in any debt at all in the future. I say , cut it all off. BUT, we need to keep the programs available that pay other countries. WHY, we need our protection of TERRORISTS. REMEMBER THAT. NOW, go outside and take a deep breath and put a smile on your face every time you go outside. This will help the positive influence with everyone, OK , DO IT NOW.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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The GOP and the rich want at it because that is about $4 Trillion in the SS surplus fund that they cannot get their greedy hands on and will stop at nothing to gut that.

Someone's strictly black or white view of politics is sadly showing.

To put point to fact, rarely are options as limited as limited insight can make them out to be.

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I haven't read any post past your first, OP. It's very obvious which side your on without seeing any answer, based on your wording.

People on the side of Social Welfare Programs need to realize one thing. If we take care of business, let it thrive. Regulate it less, tax it less, get out of their way. We would have more positive economic activity than we could handle. Unemployment would plummet. Social Security funding wouldn't be an issue. There wouldn't be debt talk issues. The coffers would be full, and we would have happy businesses hiring happy workers who would happily pay taxes.

Squeezing every dime possible from people just to have a re-election platform to stand on is what is causing debates like this.

We need to get a flat-tax set up that does not include tax-breaks for anyone that is not directly involve in medical TREATMENT (not the manufacturing of drugs and such), teaching, and social work.

The rate should be 7% across the board. I know, that is a bit higher than most would like to see... but that would be from everyone and every organization.

reply to post by buster2010

Repubs won't support a flat tax.

Allen West supports Flat Tax

Republicans Set to Push Flat Tax Bill

There are Republicans who support the Flat Tax.

Originally posted by Cosmic4life
Tax the Rich and assist the poor.

It's not rocket science is it, time to put the Tyranny of Greed in its place.

And as for Obama's threat to stop the welfare payments pfffft i call bluff, three days without food will cause 30 million Americans to revolt more surely than any other reason, three days after stopping welfare and he would be an ex-President, Congress would ex-Congress...well you get the picture.

Money has become such an obsession with the wealthier types that it clouds their judgement in all things, we have got to recognize that they have addictive/obsessive psychologies and rather than cut their taxes we should be boosting their medication.

If the so called elite succeed in their plans to eradicate the poor so only the rich survive then our species will become a dark spirit bereft of Empathy, Sympathy and Compassion.

We have two choices, with the elites we have certain doom and the dissolution of mankind into commodities.
With the poor we have hope for the future, a restoration of the human family and a pursuit of higher goals.

The Rich can eat my shorts !

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Originally posted by Cosmic4life
Tax the Rich and assist the poor.

It's not rocket science is it, time to put the Tyranny of Greed in its place.

And as for Obama's threat to stop the welfare payments pfffft i call bluff, three days without food will cause 30 million Americans to revolt more surely than any other reason, three days after stopping welfare and he would be an ex-President, Congress would ex-Congress...well you get the picture.

Money has become such an obsession with the wealthier types that it clouds their judgement in all things, we have got to recognize that they have addictive/obsessive psychologies and rather than cut their taxes we should be boosting their medication.

If the so called elite succeed in their plans to eradicate the poor so only the rich survive then our species will become a dark spirit bereft of Empathy, Sympathy and Compassion.

We have two choices, with the elites we have certain doom and the dissolution of mankind into commodities.
With the poor we have hope for the future, a restoration of the human family and a pursuit of higher goals.

The Rich can eat my shorts !

Cosmic...

It's not rocket science, but it IS Socialism lol

Originally posted by croweboy
If we take care of business, let it thrive. Regulate it less, tax it less, get out of their way. We would have more positive economic activity than we could handle. Unemployment would plummet.

This is exactly what created the plutocracy that we currently live in...

A very small group benefits from that type of "economic activity".