Why Hate America?, page 3
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reply posted on 31-7-2006 @ 08:12 AM by zman
Ok why does America hatred across the world bother me. Since I am 49 years old and still can remember the days of hiding under my desk at school to protect us from a nuclear strike and the day the school stopped because our president got murdered , I have been noticing trends of not just our country but of others. It seems to me that the world is jealous of our freedom. With freedom that we have comes a responsibility that seems by what the rest of the world wants us to do. When there is a problem in the world with earth changes, upheavals in governments, and wrongs deemed by the world , we as Americans stepped up to the plate , so to speak , because we Americans act for you the people of the world to help. When something goes wrong with the plan you the world has made for us we Americans wonder why we get blamed. Sure we all know nobody is ever going to feel the same about anything, religion ,politics, and even coffee. We do the bidding of what the world wanted us to do. We take the flax , as you know we can. When our country , America , seems to over step is bounds , it is our checks and balances that get it back to what it supposed to be. Sure at the moment it looks like Muslim fanatical are the ones who hide behind all those innocent children and adults. These are my observations as I look at what is happening. If it’s not, then I as an American feel ashamed and sickened. But like I said, our country does the dirty work for the world. If not us then who would help when help is needed. I say, step up to the plate and make your contributions or just shut up. I for one do not see anyone country, other than ours that see a problem with our young people getting killed on a daily basis for freedom. Do you know what the Muslim frantic want, they want the whole world. They want to over take Europe, Africa, Asia, Russia, and everyone and convert them to there own religion or kill them if the do not want to. And since I have observed this from my youth till now I have a good understanding that you the people of the world do not want to be told what you want to worship. Freedom is why the world hates us. We as Americans love our freedoms. And do find the laws that affect them, as to the war on terror, difficult and know that if we did not have these laws to protect us, that we would not be able to protect you the world. And like I have stated, know one person completely agrees with another on any given subject or idea. Where else do you find people from all the world gathered into one nation having the freedoms that are needed to help you the nation that they are from. I believe if you study and really look at the actions we have taken in the world then you would realize it’s a collective mind set from the world. If this being the case, then its you who hates you. This is why there is hatred against our country America. Freedom.


reply posted on 1-8-2006 @ 12:16 AM by aggroskater
Well, foriegn policy might come to mind... Why do they hate us? People, believe it or not, for most of them, it is not because they are jealous. It has nothing to do with how we have democracy and they dont, and therefore, they want to kill us. Many of them want an islamic-based republic.

In my opinion, the biggest reason they "hate us" is because of our support for israel. No matter what way the media trys to spin it, israel is not a nice country. They are not simply victims of crazy palestinians, regardless of what the media trys to make it out to be. Israel has been illegally occupying and colonizing palestinian land for decades. That land belongs to the palestinians, not the israelis, and it is a war crime to settle areas that are not yours during a time of conflict.

Basically, the generalization has come that israel represents the west. "The west" is constantly attacking the "arab islamists." They divide up their land, and make what should be short trips to different areas take hours. The palestinians ("arab islamists") must always carry papers through the checkpoints that are in place. So, in effect, you have israel ("the west") illegally occupying palestinian ("arab islamists") land. Obviously, the palestinians are not to happy about this. They hate it, and see no way out.

And then... they hear that israel would not have the power it does if it were not for america. Lets face it, israel probably would have been wiped off the map years ago if it had not recieved aid from america. THIS (imo) is why the palestinians (and all of their sympathizers from around the world) do not like america. America has constantly supported israel, and in the process, has given israel the power to do whatever it sees fit.

Clearly, the overgeneralizations ("jew" "islamist" "the west" etc...) exist. That is not to say they are right. However, it provides a common rallying point from which dissenters can come together to express their disapproval. And i personally dont think most arabs REALLY think in generalizations; rather, they just provide them with a group they can identify with.

So in short, they dont like america because it is israel's greatest supporter. And, as previously stated, israel isn't exactly nice to its palestinian neighbors. It is a simple fact that America is the fuel behind Israel's power. "Arabs" see this, and come to the logical conclusion that america aint cool, and needs to be stopped.


reply posted on 1-8-2006 @ 09:39 AM by Lupe101
As a European I would like to propose a slightly alternative argument concerning our attitude towards America and Americans. Mush like the "love the troops hate the war" platitude, Believe Europe is heavily anti-american foreign policy and americans. But, as this is an indefensible attitude, we suplement it with overt statements of support for its people. Its a little like saying We hate hitler but support the Germans when, during the second world war, we hated the Germans as well, but clung to the belief that the entire nation was in the grip of a couple of bad eggs. With hindsight we can see the flaws in believing a nations foreign policy is demonstrative of the people of that nation, but during a time of war ( such as this one ) we actually hate them too.

I believe this is mainly due to how European media has informed our understanding of the US.

We see three highly vocal attitudes coming from the US.

The first is the government. Most people in Europe believe this is a pointless war that we are being dragged into for the good of the US rather than the world as a whole.

So we hate the government.

The second is the media. We percieve American media as our poor cousin. We don't consider it factual, independant, impartial or informed. We consider it to be a dumbed down version of world affairs sponsered by corporations, government agency's and other pressure groups. Liberal or conservative we don't care. No one in Europe takes US media seriously and because of this we consider the people of America to be ill informed.

Lastly we have the vocal populace. You fall into two groups. Republicans, the far right christian loud mouthed gun toating idiots who love explosions and liberals, the sanctemoinious, uninformed, hippie tree hugging morons who've read one too many self help books.

Both these grtoups are considered too stupid to know whats going on and are generally a source of a lot of European humour with a roughly fifty/fifty split.

We're sure that there must be a small minority of sane normal americans but as we rarely hear from them, we conclude that they are just that. A small minority.

Of course all three of these statements are false. They are huge broad judgements on millions of people, but we are as capable of being swayed by the presentation of a country as any other people. And currently America, and americans are seen as a bunch of dumb war mongering idiots ruled by a great big dumb war mongering idiot.

Of course we'd never say that to your face, oh no, we understand that the common american isn't to blame. Just don't be surprised if the next European to say that doesn't start s'n-word'ing at you when your backs turned.

We hate Americans just as much as we hate its foreign policy, it's simply that one is easy to justify, the other is our dirty little secret.


reply posted on 1-8-2006 @ 08:43 PM by Two Steps Forward
Originally posted by dom
To be honest, I'm amazed that many US citizens are against the war. Where do they find out the anti-war information with such a lying govt, and manipulative media?


You don't need a lot of inside information, or to be in the know, to be against war. War is bad. War kills people, wastes money, destroys resources, and pisses off the world. Without a really, really good justification for it, people are against war by default. That's because they're not completely stupid.

The real question to be asked is why a majority of the American people, a couple of years ago, were FOR the war. And I believe the answer, is that for a year or two after 9/11, Americans by and large were so angry, frightened, and confused, that they were incapable of being rational, and accepted justifications for the war in Iraq that they normally would not, and no longer do.

Originally posted by Joehayner
But the idea that sticks in my mind is the NWO. The world will be in turmoil, and somone will establish a NWO. (I think most of the nations are in on it, whether their leaders know or not)


Yoiks.

I think it's time to explain, once more, the difference between a conspiracy theory and a conspiracy fantasy. A conspiracy theory posits a conspiracy that falls within the realm of the humanly possible, or even likely. Conspiracies that actually work (and they do exist), have only a few members, all of whom know each other well, and are strongly interested in making the conspiracy's efforts bear fruit, as well as in keeping the secret. The more members a conspiracy has, the more likely that someone will spill the beans, turn traitor, and bring down the wrath of whoever on all their heads.

A conspiracy consisting of "most of the nations" is just nonsense. This is not humanly possible, and therefore cannot be true.

Another reality check is in order about something else people believe that makes no sense: that people hate America because they are "jealous of our freedom" or of our wealth (which is actually more likely).

People have been jealous of America since the nation's founding. But as a rule, that jealousy did not lead them to hate us, or to throw bombs in our general direction, let alone jet airplanes. Instead, it led them to want to live here, and many did.

If you want to understand why people want to hurt us, don't look at jealousy or envy. Look for what we as a nation have done, that gives people cause to be angry.
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