Muslims are taking over the West!!!

It wasn't so long ago that Catholics were having large numbers of children and effectively 'outbreeding' everyone else. In my mothers side of the family there were 13 kids.

But i NEVER EVER heard anyone say 'look out for the Catholics, they are outbreeding 'us' (who is 'us' anyway??) and are taking over the country'. And you know what? Even though they had more kids and larger families they didn't take over the country.

The OP is hilarious cause all the haters came on and reacted just the way he/she was pointing out they would. Knee jerk 'the muslims are coming, the muslims are coming' pishy reactions. Not to mention the fact that many are so stupid they can't see blatant sarcasm (even when it's labelled )

Sharia law is divorce and business agreements. Woopdydoo. Jews have been using Beth Din for the same reasons for decades and no one batted an eyelid. They've had Kosher food. No one bats an eyelid. But the Muslims are doing the same!!!!! Oooooohhh!! Better watch out.

Some of you need to judge yourself before you judge others.

There is a certain measure of Paranoia in the West about Islam.

But know this , zealots of every religion and creed do not believe in their chosen doctrine in totality, just to restrain themselves from converting the ignorant.

Islam is a missionary religion FACT....read why the Pakistanis and the Punjabi Indians ect are Muslim , ie they were invaded centuries ago and "persuaded " to convert.

Muslims are proud to be what they are, they are not going to hide in the dark, they are not going to admit , that they are guests in a foreign land...they are in Gods Land...do we understand?

Islam may be the key to knowing the true God.....I do not say it is not.

But know if you are not a believer.....you are what?

Are you an equal?

Europe wa s colonised by Romans who used Judean Teaching to subjigate the "wild Heathen" our beliefs were erased from history, our practices misrepresented and demonised.

We fell for the con trick of the Romans who preached submission to a vengeful God.

Consequentlty hundreds of millions of European and New World souls, only know God through Judean word, not experience.

We killed our own link to the true God, by allowing Judean and Islamic propaganda to mutate into Christianity?

Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by confreak

 

Yes, muslims are taking over the west, and they have a right to do so if we let them immigrate and become citizens

You're aware people can become Muslim by conversion as well, right? Actually given the general angle of many posters on this thread, maybe you didn't know that.

Nazis also took over Germany by democratic means (they were elected).

False, actually. The nazis never once won an election. In fact when the Nationalist Socialist party ran in elections, they got severely trounced every time. What happened is that the nazi goon squad caused enough of a violent stink that the elected government of the Wiemar Republic appointed Adolf Hitler as chancellor in a backroom deal. Hitler then used his position and a conveniently-timed fire to seized dictatorial power. There were no elections after that. The Nazis attained power by intimidation and coup, aided by exploiding and exaggerating hte fears of Germans.

THis is why people like you, who are constantly yelping and hollering and clawing at your faces over the 1.4% of the population that prays towards Mecca are so frequently compared to these guys. Food for thought.

You are talking like taking over the west could not be accomplished just by exercising their democratic rights if the huge immigration continues, or like that would somehow not count as a takeover.

Actually, it couldn't be accomplished. See, there's no way to actually cause that sort of demographic shift in an established nation; unless that nation is very small (Luxembourg, perhaps.) See, you are looking at the illusion of "taking over" due to Muslim enclaves appearing in cities all over the place. Know why that happens?

Because people like you piss your pants and flee the city if a Muslim moves in next door. It's the same thing that led to African-Americans being the predominant group in urban America; white flight.

Nowever on national scales, there's no way the demographics could change. Hell, Europeans spent over a hundred years throwing themselves en masse at Africa and Asia, and all they managed were two apartheid governments. It only worked in Australia and the Americas because the people already living there didn't have resistance to smallpox and influenza.

Basically, even if "The Muslims" made a huge, concerted effort to move in and take over, like Europe at the height of the colonial days... they would fail. The only possible way it could work is if the host state converted en masse; and even then all demographics beyond religion would remain unmoved.

But those are not mutually exclusive. And that is the core of the problem - once we let them in, they can take over just by exercising their democratic rights, just like nazis did - in democracy, the power is only in numbers. Even the power to institute undemocratic regimes.

As i've established, "Nazis" and "Democratic process" don't go together well at all. Also as I've established, even if "the Muslims" were to make a gigantic, coordinated effort... there's just not enough of them and they don't have any noteworthy impact.

The only solution compatible with rights is to stop the imigration before extremists become a substantial political force,

THis is a funny statement, when you consider it as something being stated by a guy who's trying to drum up mass hysteria about people who are generally treated as third-class citizens in a nation that is ruled by people from the religion of mosque torchings, gay-beatings, and doctor-killings in the name of JEEEEEZUS.

altrough if that oppotunity passes due to stupidity of our leaders, I would agree with more drastic measures - its OK to breach human rights in order to protect human rights and freedom, if its necessary.

Oh, so it's okay to what, just start killing Muslims en masse if you think their interests start getting represented?

...because you're afraid of "extremists" no less.

I dont blame only extremist muslims, but also those responsible for immigration laws. Primarily those.

edit on 12/7/11 by Maslo because: (no reason given)

Maybe you ought to start blaming yourself; your bloated ignorance and clear hatred is only your own fault.

Originally posted by confreak
reply to post by Maslo

 

Once again, Muslims reproducing = Muslims taking over the West.. Do you see how irrational you sound? Everyone has the right to reproduce right? Including you??

Well...that shouldn't be allowed. Just because the majority have the means to reproduce doesn't mean that they should.

Once again, Muslims making demands = Muslims taking over the West.. Do you see how irrational + illogical you sound? Everyone has the right to make demands, including you..

Making demands to change our socio-political system to suite their backwards culture could very well be a challenge to our western customs and legislative system.

You like to throw around the word bigot a lot, but you fail to realize that much of this bigotry is coming from Muslims. In fact most Muslim nations excel at this bigotry that you speak of. If this isn't obvious, then you must be deliberately making attempts at avoiding it.

Now...I'm not going to say that the west hasn't had a hand in exploiting the middle-eastern nations and their people, but it's not going to excuse their own faults either. Just saying...

reply to post by Sinter Klaas


Yes I recall that part. Really, either angels or the trinity. Either way though, I consider that being where God made us diversified in order to unite us. It seems strange, but think of it like this. If Muslims were aliens, and all mankind under one banner, do you think we would be so friendly to outsiders had we no experience with outsiders within ourselves?

reply to post by Nammu


Look around people.They are the majority!

And there's nothing racist about the truth!I just don't understand that there are barely enough jobs for the people already living here yet they let foreigners in by the thousands.And because they come from a poor country(well the people are)they will work for next to nothing and have 20 family members living in one home.

This country or any country for that matter is going to end up overpopulated with no jobs and lots of homeless people because people are having too many babies!And people who can't afford to have babies shouldn't be having them.A lot of girls get pregnant just to collect a cheque because welfare pays too little.

If there were enough jobs out there like the government says then why don't they hand them out to people?Why can't they pay for our schooling?We pay taxes and we have to pay that crap?Or we have to get loans to work our nuts off to pay back those loans..Wtf is that?We pay taxes.There are barely any jobs out there and on top of that they let people in the country by the thousands and give foreigners our jobs lol...Go suck a lemon!

reply to post by Gorman91


Who Dude...

So we could learn to accept ...

That idea struck me like a brick..

islam's problem lies in there that it wants to use democracy, human rights, freedom of faith and all merits these concepts have to offer, to the fullest whilst it wants to impose the harshest restrictions on anyone who remains out of its framework since it sees anything non-islamic in nature as a threat to islam itself. its like in the movie the langoliers based on stephen king's story in a novel, islam wants to eat off the whole place for its own sake until there's no space left for anyone.

It's kind of ironic that people group all Muslims together...when in reality the amount of fundamentalist Muslims living the west is incredibly small.

It's as if I grouped all Christians together and called them dumb fools just because a tiny minority still believes the earth is only 6,000 years old, or that humans just popped up on earth in their current form without evolution, or that a global flood really happened. Just because a few of them are just bat# crazy and ignorant of facts, doesn't mean they all are.

And the same goes for Muslims. I've been all over the Middle East for business, and not once was I treated badly, or asked to convert.

Also, saying Islam is a "missionary" religion while pretending Christianity isn't is beyond nuts. And before you say Christianity doesn't kill anyone, you might wanna talk to the THOUSANDS of Africans who die every day because the church tells them not to use condoms, resulting in them getting infected with HIV at an alarming rate. In fact, you could argue the Christian stance costs way way way more lives than Muslim terrorist attacks. But again, it would be wrong to claim all Christians are responsible for the deaths in Africa...it's a small minority (who are sadly in control) who cause those issues.

Cliff notes: Generalizing an entire people based on the actions of a minority group is ALWAYS wrong. Plus, it makes you look incredibly stupid as it's abundantly clear you're ignoring facts

Originally posted by Nammu
Sharia law is divorce and business agreements. Woopdydoo.

Add death and inheritance to that.

Jews have been using Beth Din for the same reasons for decades and no one batted an eyelid.

Difference being that Beth Din complies with civil law, Sharia does not. Decisions in divorce petitions and matters relating to inheritance directly contravene British equalities laws. Failure to accept the ruling of a Sharia court can and does lead to 'honour' punishments. But what does it matter? If women (and sometimes men who are related to those women) do not like the Sharia ruling that denies them equal rights, they can always seek restitution via the civil courts and risk murder or mutilation, they are after all, not only just women but Muslim women at that! (sarcasm intended).

reply to post by TheWalkingFox

You're aware people can become Muslim by conversion as well, right? Actually given the general angle of many posters on this thread, maybe you didn't know that.

Yes you can become extremist muslim also by conversion, and many of the extremists are actually domestic people converted by the immigrants - for example the british metro attackers were born in Britain.
Another reason to stop it the spread of this ideology.

False, actually. The nazis never once won an election. In fact when the Nationalist Socialist party ran in elections, they got severely trounced every time. What happened is that the nazi goon squad caused enough of a violent stink that the elected government of the Wiemar Republic appointed Adolf Hitler as chancellor in a backroom deal. Hitler then used his position and a conveniently-timed fire to seized dictatorial power. There were no elections after that. The Nazis attained power by intimidation and coup, aided by exploiding and exaggerating hte fears of Germans.

They still exploited the democratic system and its flaws to gain power. If anything, this shows that you dont even need majority to gain real power. Determinantion and ignorance of the masses to the threat you pose is enough.

People claimed nazis are harmless fringe party with little support which should not be feared and stopped, just ignored. Until they took over, and then it was too late. The same things could happen now with modern analogue of nazism - islamic extremism.
Again, another reason to stop the spread of this ideology from the start, and not ignore it, not trying to appease it, not trying to downplay its threat, because that does not work, as has been shown with nazism. Your arguments with conversion of locals and nazi minority taking over the country only show that islamic extremism may even be far more dangerous than the simple "demographic" and majority arguments can show. Determined minority and ignorance of majority could be enough. Good job further proving my point.

Actually, it couldn't be accomplished. See, there's no way to actually cause that sort of demographic shift in an established nation; unless that nation is very small (Luxembourg, perhaps.) See, you are looking at the illusion of "taking over" due to Muslim enclaves appearing in cities all over the place. Know why that happens?

Because muslims are unwilling to integrate and anyone pointing out the facts about these enclaves is threatened by the new PC inquisition and accused of "islamophobia":
www.israelnationalnews.com...

Nowever on national scales, there's no way the demographics could change. Hell, Europeans spent over a hundred years throwing themselves en masse at Africa and Asia, and all they managed were two apartheid governments. It only worked in Australia and the Americas because the people already living there didn't have resistance to smallpox and influenza.

www.brookings.edu...

Of course the demographics must change, even on national scales, if the increase of muslim population due to immigration, birth rate and conversion is higher than that of a domestic population. Its basic mathematical fact. The composition of ancient Rome was completely changed in one century.
The questions how much, how fast, and how many of these will be the moderate and liberal muslims and how many from them will be extremist (by western standars)? These statistics show that the extremism is not decreasing in the subsequent domestic born generations at all, but may even be on the rise. There is no assimilation of extremists, instead, there is radicalisation, even among the converts - the perpetrators of the british metro attacks were all born in Britain in fact, as has been said.

Also as I've established, even if "the Muslims" were to make a gigantic, coordinated effort... there's just not enough of them and they don't have any noteworthy impact.

Just like the nazis before the takeover. Fringe extremist political movement ridiculed by the others.. How can they pose a threat to the mighty german democracy? That is absurd I know...

THis is a funny statement, when you consider it as something being stated by a guy who's trying to drum up mass hysteria about people who are generally treated as third-class citizens in a nation that is ruled by people from the religion of mosque torchings, gay-beatings, and doctor-killings in the name of JEEEEEZUS.

What % of christians (in Europe) support acts that are against basic human rights in the name of their religion, vs. what % of muslims do so? The above statistics and the well known muslim opinion polls from Pew show that the threat of christian vs. islamic extremism is apples and oranges, when it comes to the numbers, virulence and danger.

Oh, so it's okay to what, just start killing Muslims en masse if you think their interests start getting represented?

I would agree with killing the muslim extremists and their supporters if I think their interests start getting represented. Just like I would agree with killing nazis and their supporters if they start to pose real danger to democracy and human rights. It is OK to protect human rights using means that are against them, if necessary. Problem?

reply to post by GodIsPissed


Who's the majority? You seem to have your blinkers on. British Asians make up only 4% of the population. Even if you believe the Daily Mail hype that says enthnic minorities will make up 20% of the population by 2051, that is still not a majority.

Again, i make the catholic analogy. At one point the Irish catholic immigration into this country was massive. They were having VERY large families and were mostly poor unskilled workers. But did anyone say they were taking over? Nope. Did they take over? Nope again.

Sure, people should not have babies if they can't afford them. And that stems to ALL races/religions/cultures. So i don't see how that's relevant to Muslims taking over the west.

This whole topic shows a sad state of affairs, especially in Europe, where politicians are trying to pander to the opinions of fringe parties so as to gain votes.
There was an interesting article in the Boston Review this month about it, and I'd urge you all to read it (even though it is seriously very long):

Europeans Against Multiculturalism:
Political Attacks Misread History, Target Muslims, and May Win Votes
It gives examples of 4 countries (Germany, the UK and France and the Dutch), and how their leaders are now saying that (as many on this site have very happily parroted) "Multiculturalism has failed".

This suggests that there was some overt attempt at promoting Multiculturalism, which (aside from in the UK), isn't really true. As the article points out, after the world war 2, the European countries drew on their former colonies to encourage immigration to gain more low-paid, willing workers. Not some ideal about being multicultural. In fact, until 2000, they policy was not to give anyone citizenship unless they could prove German descent (not even the kids of these workers, or even their kids). And how Germany a Public-Corporation model arranged with Jewish and Christian groups, but only just been proposed (one that would obtain funding for mosques, and oversee materials used in Islamic Education).

And while the UK did have an explicit policy on multiculturalism, it kinda went about it in a very wrong way..according to David Cameron, the home-grown terrorism in the UK is a result of muslim communities isolating themselves from the rest of the UK, not learning the language, etc.
This is not really backed up by reality: the 2005 London bombers were highly westernised, fluent english-speaking, UK university goers. A case has been made that they turned out like this because they WEREN'T accepted as they were- couldn't consider themselves belonging to their origin country (especially for 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants), and weren't accepted as "real Britishers", and thus suffered a loss of identity which drove them to what they did. And this isolationism isn't only from muslims: apparently a large percentage of children in Britain go to schools that ONLY accept those who attend a Catholic or Anglican church regularly.

Nammu made an interesting point in the mentioning of Catholics. Do you know, if you go back in the history of Europe and the US, you'll find some very, very interesting bigots . They harped on the Catholics (the Irish and the Italians in the US, the Catholics in the UK), and they harped on the Jews.
And hilariously enough, the arguments were almost exactly the same! "OH NO, WHAT IS ONE DAY WE HAVE A CATHOLIC PRESIDENT?!" (asked a guy in the US who wanted to curtail the rights of other religions in the US), for example. And they gave these exact same "reasonings" as well "the _____ are overtaking us in the market", "the _____ are trying to outbreed us" "the _______ are trying to get our laws changed", etc.

Bigots never change.

reply to post by teapot

Difference being that Beth Din complies with civil law, Sharia does not. Decisions in divorce petitions and matters relating to inheritance directly contravene British equalities laws. Failure to accept the ruling of a Sharia court can and does lead to 'honour' punishments. But what does it matter? If women (and sometimes men who are related to those women) do not like the Sharia ruling that denies them equal rights, they can always seek restitution via the civil courts and risk murder or mutilation, they are after all, not only just women but Muslim women at that! (sarcasm intended).

Beth Din courts operate exactly as Sharia do. They deal in civil matters, and do not supercede the law of the land. People still have the option to take the matter to a civil court if they wish or disagree with the outcome.

I would like to see proof of your claim that failure to accept their ruling leads to honour punishments.

I'd also like to see proof of your claim that those who use civil courts rather than Sharia risk murder or mutilation. Proposterous! I've known more than a few Muslims that used civil courts and all are still alive and intact.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by RealAmericanPatriot

 

(A) I'm not Catholic, but I used him as a counter symbol to the Imans, but the last time I checked, the Pope did NOT condone beheadings and rape. Your couterpoint is defeated.

So, since the Pope does not come out and say "Hey, it's ok to molest children", he is not to be held accountable for the actions he has taken in covering up these events for generations? The difference between these Catholic priests and the "radical Muslims" you speak of is that the preists live next door! Your counterpoint...irrelevant and disingenious!

People are dying EVERYDAY at the hands of Muslims because of the teachings of Muhammed, Muslim clerics, and the Koran; I would hardly call that "irrelevant"! Trying to sidetrack the conversation by attacking Catholicism IS "disingenious".b]

(B) Unless you are lacking a search engine, you will find NUMEROUS sites displaying these videos. Many of the sites pro-Islam. I'm not going to waste my time doing your homework.

I have been active on this subject for many years. I have looked at many videos and many, many websites that were supposed to show the "real truth" about Muslims and Islam. Almost all of them are directly tied to either a rival religion or political agenda. I have not seen one website, "pro-Islam" or otherwise that "condones" the violence that you speak of. I've done my homework, but if you want us to believe you outrageous claims than the burden of proof is on you! I cannot disprove a negative.

So you have already admitted the videos exist twice now. I don't have to "prove" anything. You've already confirmed it for all the readers. The videos DO EXIST and you have admitted to seeing them on "radical" websites. The source of the videos is irrelevant.

Most of the videos showed hundreds of people present for the execution. NEVER did ONE SINGLE PERSON raise his hand or voice in objection to the callous beheadings or stonings! NOT ONE!

I'm NOT going to further the agenda of Islam by making members of the ATS community nauseated and fearful of Islam. All these things are available to anyone with a search engine and a desire to see them. I couldn't even watch some of them to the end because they were so horrific..
Like you, apparently, I figured that Islam was just another world religion like Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, etc. I found out otherwise and I will oppose those who try to charachterize Islam as a peaceful religion. It's not...and it never has been...The central decree of Islam to ALL non-Islamic people has always been the same: CONVERT OR DIE! Muslims are commanded to convert infidels to Islam or kill them. Surely, in all YOUR in-depth study, you came across those little tidbits, didn't you?

I call BS! Prove it for us on ATS with list of UNEDITED videos showing exactly what you describe. I will watch every one in the interest of fairness.
Also, prove that the violence was done because Sharia Law mandated the violence! It could be local extremists, like rednecks lynching a black man, or it could be the culture of that local government that allows it. But we are talking Sharia Law, so equate the two for us. Once again, the burden of proof is on you because you are making these claims.

The clerics CITED Sharia law as the basis for their decrees. I'm pretty sure they know what Sharia law says!It's interesting that you equate those who have participated in lynchings with "rednecks". Rednecks got their name for the redness on their necks brought about by working hard in the sun. Typically, the name "redneck" is applied to men of southern heretage. I don't think that men who live south of the Ohio River will appreciate your inference that they are racists killers.

There is no "burden of proof" on me. Public record is public record. As I said, I am not going to be party to furthering terror on ATS by posting those sickening videos. If readers want to see them, they are still out there on the web. Most were obviously taken with camera phones. I SAW living people being beheaded on streets in front of huge crowds. There was no "editing".

D) It is not I who has displayed ignorance of Sharia law today. And..again...if you do not think that the majority of Muslims worldwide support Sharia Law, then you are ignorant of the truth. Educate yourself. Go take a poll if you dont trust all the existing polls. But, as they say, ignorance is bliss. (ie. better to have a false sense of safety than to know the truth) BETTER YET: Go stand outside of a mosque and ask all who exit if they support Sharia Law worldwide!

You are correct. Most Muslims do support Sharia Law. Kind of like how many Christians and Jews support Ecclesiastical law in the American landscape. There is really no difference. They are both faith-based ways to set forth rules of arbitration when two parties/entities agree to abide by a Muslim-based code of conduct! Sharia Law IS NOT a form of government, allthough you would blame Sharia for the misdealings of governments.

Also, here is a little known fact that you may not know: YOU HAVE TO BE MUSLIM TO EVEN BE UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF SHARIA LAW! If you are not Muslim, you cannot and will not be bound by it!

But, a movement is underway in many demographics RIGHT NOW to make Sharia law SUPERCEDE civil law as well as Constitutional law. If the judges rule for Sharia law, provision/protection will be provided for Muslim men in all matters Islam. This would include polygamy, rape, wife abuse, girls as young as 6 being forced into matrimony, and all other provisions of Sharia law including stonings.

And for the record, I have met tens of thousands of Christians and have YET to meet ONE who supports the idea of Ecclesiastical law. So comparing support for Ecclesiastical law to support for Shariah law is GROSSLY misleading and borders on mania.

(E) Again, I've done MY homework. You do your own. Surely you have a reasonably decent search engine. Of course you do...maybe you just have no stomach for the truth, hmm?

You do realize that it takes a lot of backbone to be a voice of opposition in a country where a majority of every man, woman and child quivers with fear whenever the words Muslim, Islam and Sharia are spoken? I say and believe things that put me in the minority and I deal with people like you everyday, both online and in real life. So don't you for a second think I don't have the stomache to deal with you.

On that note, you are the one making outrageous claims, and the burden of proof is on you. Show me the goods Son! Otherwise you are trying to blow smoke up my butt because you are either a scared sissy boy afraid of another religion or you are perpetuating lies for political agenda! So let's see it!

edit on 12-7-2011 by sheepslayer247 because: (no reason given)

I am not really making any claims beyond what is already A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD! The only mistruths being perpetuated are coming from you.

This may surprise you, but being a Christian does not automatically make one a "scared sissy boy". I am 6-foot, 252 lbs and train in MMA. My son-in-law and nephew currently fight in midwest MMA leagues. Son-in-law is 13-1. Nephew is 8-1 and holds the belt in his weight class. They are Christians too.
And really...since you already confirmed the existence of the beheading and stoning videos, what's the point in posting them? Besides, as I previously mentioned, they are nauseating and would only further the terror agenda of Islamic terrorists.

You are standing in quicksand and you're about to go under. You probably can't tell from where you are standing/sinking.[/ b]

TO ALL YOU ATSers: If you want to see the truth of Islam at work, the videos are there. If you have ANY reservations about seeing such hideous acts committed against innocents, DO NOT WATCH THEM. I, personally, will never forget those images, and in some ways, I wish I had never seen them. They ARE nauseating to watch. Godspeed.

reply to post by Nammu


There are a couple of reports available to download from the Centre for Social Cohesion website that may answer some of your queries.

reply to post by RealAmericanPatriot

TO ALL YOU ATSers: If you want to see the truth of Islam at work, the videos are there. If you have ANY reservations about seeing such hideous acts committed against innocents, DO NOT WATCH THEM. I, personally, will never forget those images, and in some ways, I wish I had never seen them. They ARE nauseating to watch. Godspeed.

And yet another example of a bigot generalizing an entire people based on the actions of a MINORITY. And just like with the Muslim extremists, your hate is also based on religion. Can't you just get a room and fling poo at eachother while leaving the rest of us alone? Fundamentalists on both sides are a MINORITY, they should be treated like one...in this case, they should be laughed at or pitied.

Oh, and by the way...telling us how tall your kids are, and bolding/underlining everything doesn't give your posts more credibility, and they most certainly won't hide what a bigot you are by generalizing an entire people based on the actions of a minority group.

To put things into perspective, and highlight what a bunch of nonsense your claims are: The pentagon estimates there are between 90,000 and 150,000 Muslim terrorists fighting them...WORLDWIDE! That is 0.008% of the Muslim world population. That means, there's as many Muslim extremists as there are people living on the tiny Caribbean island of St.Lucia!!

Last I checked, calling them a majority, or claiming ALL Muslims want to take over the world is beyond laughable and shows an incredible lack of education.

reply to post by MrXYZ

To put things into perspective, and highlight what a bunch of nonsense your claims are: The pentagon estimates there are between 90,000 and 150,000 Muslim terrorists fighting them...WORLDWIDE! That is 0.008% of the Muslim world population. That means, there's as many Muslim extremists as there are people living on the tiny Caribbean island of St.Lucia!!

Dont confuse muslim extremists with muslim terrorists. Terrorists are indeed a small minority. Extremists are common, often in the majority in some countries.

reply to post by confreak


S+F mate, what a brilliant post.

I think you have hit the nail on the head as to what needs to be done. This is England not the United Arab Emirates.

I have no problems with Muslims being here, just hate the fact that they try and take over. Try and tell me what I can and can't do in MY OWN country. Every time i go to a restaurant i ask if they serve Halal meet and if they do I walk out. Its disgraceful.

Made me so angry the other day seeing the 'you are now entering a Sharia Law zone' posters in the news. How dare they try and do this. If they dont like our western culture why don't they f*ck off back to their homelands. All who support this are the brainwashed ones. Do you really think they are not trying to take over? We will see when in 20 years your kids are answering the call to prayer in their veils and turbans.

Its game over for the UK already, sad to admit but its true and all you sympathisers will realise when its too late.

reply to post by babloyi

A case has been made that they turned out like this because they WEREN'T accepted as they were- couldn't consider themselves belonging to their origin country

Most of us would think other wise, most of us would think that maybe, just maybe the two attack --> invasion --> occupation which Britain is involved with has something to do with their actions.

This is like Americans trying to stay in denial and claim that "terrorists attacked us because of our freedom", when in reality there is underlying cause which goes much deeper than that.

Instead of accepting that the "foreign policy" was the cause, they go and create incredibly stupid excuses to try to deflect attention from their foreign policy.