Breaking: Libertarians Call For Arrest Of TSA Agents

reply to post by hawkiye


The method of travel is not protected oir guaranteed.

Not much else to say on that topic, but feel free to continue screaming at the sky to run up your flag count. Apparently that seems to be cool thing for the site.

reply to post by Xcathdra

You are defending the TSA, are you not? To defend the TSA is to ignore the rampant trampling of human rights that the TSA is guilty of perpetrating. You are trying to paint the TSA as being reasonable and lawful, at least, the posts I have read that you have made. It is going to take an act of Congress to undo what a few people in the present administration have unleashed upon U.S. citizens, and you defend them.
Once again, (third time), the TSA threatened to shut down air travel in Texas according to Texas lawmakers. How is this not law enforcement?

Who can spot the BLATANT Government troll in this thread? Anyone? Why would anyone be against Constitutional freedoms? Anyone?

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by hawkiye

 

TSA is not comissioned law enforcement, which means this does not apply.

I will leave it at that so you guys can continue to complain about something you dont understand.

No it very obviously YOU who do not understand! CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS are NEVER to be abrogated, EVER - not under any circumstance, regardless of where within the United States or its territories you happen to be, public or private, under the guise of either comissioned or non-commissioned police officer or security guard. PERIOD! One cannot even contractually offer to give up their Constitutional Rights as any term or condition of the contract that attempts to abrogate a right automatically nullfies and voids the contract. Any law that attempt to abrogate or circumvent any article of the Constitution is also null and void upon arrivel.

Learn the law before you spout off, not once, but several times and embarrass your self!

We are missing the big picture. What the TSA does in there enhanced pat downs is sexual abuse.

Here is the definition of sexual abuse:

Sexual abuse, also referred to as molestation, is the forcing of undesired sexual behavior by one person upon another. When that force is immediate, of short duration, or infrequent, it is called sexual assault. The offender is referred to as a sexual abuser or (often pejoratively) molester.[1] The term also covers any behavior by any adult towards a child to stimulate either the adult or child sexually. When the victim is younger than the age of consent, it is referred to as child sexual abuse.

Sexual abuse is the following:

1) Non-consensual, forced physical sexual behavior (rape and sexual assault).
2) Unwanted touching, either of a child or an adult.
3) Sexual kissing, fondling, exposure of genitalia, and voyeurism, exhibitionism and up to sexual assault.
4) Exposing a child to pornography.
5) Saying sexually suggestive statements towards a child (child molestation).
6) Also applies unconsential verbal sexual demands towards an adult.
7) The use of a position of trust to compel otherwise unwanted sexual activity without physical force (or can lead to attempted rape or sexual assault).
8) Incest (see also sexual deviancy).
9) Certain forms of sexual harassment.

Well.. the TSA does #2 every time it performs their enhanced pat down. The last time I checked, sexual assault was illegal. You can not make something legal by purchasing an airline ticket. For example, I can't purchase a ticket to a party and smoke crack just because on the ticket it says "hey smoking crack is legal if you buy this ticket". Its the same damn thing. If it wasn't, states like Texas and New Hampshire wouldn't be trying to pass laws to get rid of the TSA.

Right now unfortunately the only thing we as citizens can do is boycott the airlines. Just don't fly. If you don't have to, don't. Now of course if any airline becomes in financial trouble, the government will just bail them out. But even if for just one day everyone didn't fly, they would get the picture. Just one single day. But the problem is, as I've stated before, American's are just too damn ignorant and lazy to actually put their foots down to stop this nonsense.

reply to post by Xcathdra


I didn't miss anything. I told you that because it is defined in writing as lawful doesn't mean it is. And you aren't just providing the opposing facts, you are absolutely defending them. Telling people to find other ways of travel if they don't want to go through security checks. You are defending complete non-sense and trying to justify madness. It is definately you that missed my point.

I will say again....there are MANY people trying to do something about it and not just complaining. Rather they are trying to inform people so that the people trying to stop this non-sense get more support. But then we have people like yourself DEFENDING it, and even justifying it. I have read what you have said and then I mix that with a little common sense (if you know what that is) to come to my conclusion. You bunch a whole thread together as people that just "don't understand" what is going on.

Not going to waste another reply on you because even I can't fix stupid.

Originally posted by DerekJR321
We are missing the big picture. What the TSA does in there enhanced pat downs is sexual abuse.

Here is the definition of sexual abuse:

Sexual abuse, also referred to as molestation, is the forcing of undesired sexual behavior by one person upon another.

So then not sexual abuse. nobody is forcing anything.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by hawkiye

 

The method of travel is not protected oir guaranteed.

Not much else to say on that topic, but feel free to continue screaming at the sky to run up your flag count. Apparently that seems to be cool thing for the site.

Well then according to your logic passing a law that congressmen can rape your wife whenever they want is lawful because your wife's virtue is not protected or mentioned in the constitution either...

reply to post by Xcathdra


HOLD THE PRESSES!

I've done a little digging and Xcathdra I'm going to Nuke your argument.
TSA Website

Do contracted screeners draw their authority from the Aviation Transportation and Security Act PL107-71 (ATSA), or do state and local governments have to codify ATSA to establish their authority to perform Administrative Searches? If so, what if there is a conflict with the State Constitution (e.g., random vehicle searches during heightened alert conditions)? Will the Screening Standard Operating Procedures be modified to accommodate these conflicts?

Even prior to the passage of ATSA and the Federalization of the screening work force, Federal courts upheld warrantless searches of carry-on luggage at airports. Courts characterize the routine administrative search conducted at a security checkpoint as a warrantless search, subject to the reasonableness requirements of the Fourth Amendment. Such a warrantless search, also known as an administrative search, is valid under the Fourth Amendment if it is "no more intrusive or intensive than necessary, in light of current technology, to detect weapons or explosives, " confined in good faith to that purpose," and passengers may avoid the search by electing not to fly. [See United States v. Davis, 482 F.2d 893, 908 (9th Cir. 1973)].


While the searches at the airport will be conducted by private screening companies, such searches will continue to be subject to the Fourth Amendment requirements of reasonableness because they are conducted at the instigation of the federal Government and under the authority of federal statutes and regulations governing air passenger screening.

ok so we now have some case law backing up this sucker.
"no more intrusive or intensive than necessary, in light of current technology, to detect weapons or explosives."
I don't know about you. But the enhanced pat down is certainly very intrusive and very intensive.
And in light of current technology completely unnecessary. The metal detector works fine. And there are explosive detection technologies out there or even a dog trained to detect explosives could suffice.
And also I would like to point out there have been a few occasion where the TSO's have acted in bad faith when screening female passengers.

The second paragraph is an interesting one. And I would like to emphasize this point.
The fact that the TSA Screeners are not LEO's does not matter.
Because they are conducted at the instigation of the federal Government and under the authority of federal statutes and regulations governing air passenger screening.

Doesn't matter if you are employed by the TSA or a contractor. And this is true when you are doing anything that is government related and legislated as law. You must follow the law. The constitution is part of the law.
The TSA as a government entity must abide by the 4th amendment. Screeners as an extension of the TSA must also abide.

Did I just win this discussion? Should I do a end zone dance or something?

reply to post by jetlife


Liberals beat them to it. We've been calling for the arrest of TSA agents for over a year. But, don't wanna listen to us Socialists now, do we?

The Right has gotten all the wars, tax cuts, legislation etc it has wanted for about 10 years. Look around at America. So what do you think of Right Wingdome?

Originally posted by 2012srb

Originally posted by hawkiye

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by hawkiye

 

The method of travel is not protected oir guaranteed.

Not much else to say on that topic, but feel free to continue screaming at the sky to run up your flag count. Apparently that seems to be cool thing for the site.

Well then according to your logic passing a law that congressmen can rape your wife whenever they want is lawful because your wife's virtue is not protected or mentioned in the constitution either...

edit on 4-7-2011 by hawkiye because: (no reason given)

What the hell kind of a person are you? You don't say things like this to other people.

It is an analogy that graphically and succinctly illustrates the ridiculousness of his position. He asserts that since mode of transportation is not illustrated in the constitution as a protected right that it is not protected. So I gave him something he can understand first hand that is not illustrated in the constitution that would not be a protected right according to his logic. I thought it made the point rather powerfully.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by DerekJR321

 

Right.. You have a constituionally protected right to travel within a state and across state lines, the method of transpoortation is not.

You can fly if you go through the security checkpoint. If you dont want to, you dont fly.

Not a hard concept.

@others
Secondly, and I point this out because of how people bounce back and forth from the Constitution only to federal laws that support their position while igroing any that dont. Based on the argument people make, federal body of law is excluded from their argument, so your post would be excluded as well.

You dont get it both ways.

...dude, what about "liberty" do u not understand? u keep creating circular arguments and diverting the focus of this discussion into the circular file of toeing the line cuz ur a big whining nazi cry-baby thats wants to fondle little kids n old men n everyone in between. i've lived in this country my entire life& none of this nonsense was necessary. its not necessary now. it is just another step in furthering an increasingly ultra right-wing regime. just because it exists doesn't make it right! ur a fool that cant see the forest for the trees!

reply to post by Xcathdra

"We" have the RIGHT to travel, it is not a privilege. Saenz vs Roe and Shapiro vs. Thompson
...and I thank Rand Paul for citing those two cases...
Big thumbs up for the Florida Libertarian Party!!

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
99% change starts with complaint, in case you didnt know.

and yet all we have in these forums is 99.9% of the people complaining..

I was not aware the TSA, federal government or anyone who could effect changed used ATS as their homebase.

If people want change, they are going to ahve to move beyond their comfort zone of ATS. Absent that, its just what it is, complaining for no reason at all.

You are quite arrogant to assume that nobody on this site is out doing things as well as coming on here. But of course, you're a cop, so in your mind, you and your cop buddies are the only ones out doing anything.

Originally posted by Josonic
So then not sexual abuse. nobody is forcing anything.

Really? I'm sure everyone who has had this "enhanced" pat down would disagree with you. No one has agreed to let the TSA touch their genitals. I would say giving me the ultimatum of being touched or not flying is forcing someone.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Wait, what did I complain about? You seem to have missed something here. I am simply pointing out that you have about 3 arguments that you use in all of these threads:
1)You are a cop hater
2)You do not know the laws, because you arent a cop
3)You need to research terry stops.

How many threads have you posted these exact things in? Dozens? Hundreds?

You use these arguments even while trying to state that they dont apply to the people in question.

I'm sorry that you dont like the right of americans to dissent. Doesnt mean they need to stop, and it certainly doesnt mean they are in the wrong.

You are jsut as lost as the others. Go back and read my responses to others. You might learn something.

Maybe you have short term memory issues....you can go back through your old posts and look, if you dont recall.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Is it possible for you to grow up and act your age?

edit on 4-7-2011 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)

I love the assertion that all your Ad Hom attacks are mature, while all others here are naive and ignorant. Typical cop mindset.

Originally posted by jetlife

the tyrannical government and their stasi style nazi TSA agenda

now with 50% more foaming-at-the-mouth hyperbole! hey, at least you're satisfying your emotional needs with these hyper-hysteria threads. congrats.

Originally posted by hawkiye

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by jetlife

 

The TSA is not comissioned law enforcement, and because of that they are not subject to the same laws as commissioned law enforcement is, specifically when dealing with searching people and belongings as they pass through the airport.

So what! That does not give them the right to sexually assault people under the guise of security and violate their natural rights as illustrated in the 4th Amendment.

No kidding. What would you say they are more akin to, Xcathdra, prison guards? We're not prisoners. The United States is not a prison. Do you think even prison guards would get away with sexual battery on a daily basis? I don't think so.

By the way, I am not commissioned law enforcement. Does this mean I can go fondle women's breasts and inner thighs by declaring that it's "for their own security"?

Either you work for the TSA or you are a card-carrying socialist. Which is it?