Countdown to Invasion; Libya's Neighborhoods Prepare for NATO's Boots

reply to post by jazzguy


This is also a really good video on the reality of the Situation.

Gadaffi is a Hero to the people Of Libya. The U.S want to take-over their Nationalized Oil-Profits that go to the people of Libya.

I notice you didn’t answer my question Jude, if you say that:

People are tired of US invasions so put others in front while being supported by the US from behind and you have a US invasion portrayed as non involvement, Nice huh?

Why is France, or the UK for that matter, just blindly going along with it?

Also is there any evidence for this claim that Libya was going to switch to trading in a different currency? I’ve found none.

Ive been reading ATS for sometime now (this being my first post).I believe these black eyed peas lyrics could have some relevance to this topic.
Sorry if some people think Ive wasted their time by posting this i am a noob

What's wrong with the world mama?
People living like aint got no mamas
I think the whole worlds addicted to the drama
Only attracted to the things that bring you trauma
Overseas yeah we trying to stop terrorism
But we still got terrorists here living
In the USA the big CIA the Bloods and the Crips and the KKK
But if you only have love for your own race
Then you only leave space to discriminate
And to discriminate only generates hate
And if you hating you're bound to get irate
Yeah madness is what you demonstrate
And that's exactly how anger works and operates
You gotta have love just to set it straight
Take control of your mind and meditate
Let your soul gravitate to the love y'all

People killing people dying
Children hurting you hear them crying
Can you practice what you preach
Would you turn the other cheek?
Father Father Father help us
Send some guidance from above
Cause people got me got me questioning
Where is the love?

It just ain't the same all ways have changed
New days are strange is the world the insane?
If love and peace so strong
Why are there pieces of love that don't belong
Nations dropping bombs
Chemical gases filling lungs of little ones
With ongoing suffering
As the youth die young
So ask yourself is the loving really strong?
So I can ask myself really what is going wrong
With this world that we living in
People keep on giving in
Making wrong decisions
Only visions of them living and
Not respecting each other
Deny thy brother
The wars' going on but the reasons' undercover
The truth is kept secret
Swept under the rug
If you never know truth
Then you never know love

I feel the weight of the world on my shoulder
As I'm getting older y'all people get colder
Most of us only care about money making
Selfishness got us following the wrong direction
Wrong information always shown by the media
Negative images is the main criteria
Infecting their young minds faster than bacteria

Whatever happened to the values of humanity
Whatever happened to the fairness and equality
Instead of spreading love, we're spreading animosity
Lack of understanding, leading us away from unity
That's the reason why sometimes I'm feeling under
That's the reason why sometimes I'm feeling down

I gotta keep my faith alive, until love is found

Gold dinar........oil........we have seen it all before with sadaam

Originally posted by jude11

Originally posted by Darkrunner
NATO's boots on the ground are the United States boots on the ground, as far as any invasion force. Not gonna happen.

So in essence, you are saying that NATO is the US?

I agree as do many others.

Thank you.

No, I am saying NATO is NATO, when it comes to airstrikes. An invasion of ground troops, however would have to come largely from the United States.

And they do not have the resources as of now to invade either country.

If WW 3 happens, it will start with Turkey getting pissed off at Syria and invading.

reply to post by loves a conspiricy

Gold dinar........oil........we have seen it all before with sadaam

Can you find any source from before the war that talks about Libya switching to a different currency?

The only thing I can find that talks about this is this RT report and conspiracy sites that quote it. I've searched for anything about these conferences the Dr mentions but I can't find anything at all.

Isn't it a bit odd that this comes from just one source and it comes after the event? If this was true this would be big news yet absolutely no one reported on it?

And if Libya was talking about this in 96 and 2000 why has it taken this long to do anything? In fact between that time and now every NATO nation including the US did their best to become best friends with Libya.

This theory is seriously lacking in credibility imo.

Originally posted by Mike_A
reply to post by loves a conspiricy

 

Gold dinar........oil........we have seen it all before with sadaam

Can you find any source from before the war that talks about Libya switching to a different currency?

The only thing I can find that talks about this is this RT report and conspiracy sites that quote it. I've searched for anything about these conferences the Dr mentions but I can't find anything at all.

Isn't it a bit odd that this comes from just one source and it comes after the event? If this was true this would be big news yet absolutely no one reported on it?

And if Libya was talking about this in 96 and 2000 why has it taken this long to do anything? In fact between that time and now every NATO nation including the US did their best to become best friends with Libya.

This theory is seriously lacking in credibility imo.

Ive looked for the conferences but they dont appear on Google.....that might be the problem...Google.

Id imagine it takes time to change a currency, especially when your choosing solid gold currency.

This sounds more plausible than the official story....going to keep the people safe LOL. We are spending hundreds of millions of £$ on this to make sure a few arabs are safe...pull the other one lol.

reply to post by loves a conspiricy

Ive looked for the conferences but they dont appear on Google.....that might be the problem...Google.

There’s a hole in your conspiracy theory so you plug it by expanding the conspiracy? It’s an excuse.

Id imagine it takes time to change a currency, especially when your choosing solid gold currency

So? That doesn’t explain why the US waited 11 to 15 years to do anything about Libya supposedly changing over to another currency, bearing in mind that it was less than three years between Saddam announcing Iraq’s switch to the Euro and the invasion. Nor does it explain why every NATO nation became so chummy with Gaddafi between then and now.

This sounds more plausible than the official story....going to keep the people safe LOL

You have no evidence; it doesn’t matter how plausible the official story is your theory is implausible.

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter

Thanks so much for telling it like it is. Star for you!

Here's my 2 cents about Libya & its oil: The US Navy has a commanding presence in the Black Sea of late. As well as the Mediterranean. A WWIII scenario, yes. But here is something that no one has yet mentioned in this great thread (thanks, Jude11!): the richest oil field of all isn't in Kuwait. It's in Azerbaijan, a landlocked nation by the Caspian Sea. It was discovered 3,000 years ago, because there is so much oil & gas there that it seeps to the surface of the ground & ignites. It has been called "The Land of Fire" since the time of the prophet Zoroaster.

Hitler created a huge campaign in WWII called "Barbarossa" to take control over it- the Russians fought well & he lost. The oil field there is said to potentially have 14 trillion barrels alone. Azerbaijan is currently crawling with foreign oil companies today, getting ready to exploit the place, much to the detriment of the impoverished locals.

The fly in the ointment? The one practical pipeline to get the oil to the sea lies in- Iran. Of course it isn't just about the oil- it's about world conquest, too. Connect the dots with me... all of the US invasions- Iraq, Afghanistan, & not long from now, Pakistan & Syria- have Iran surrounded by occupied territory full of enemies on every side. Get the picture? An invasion of Iran can only be successful if there is a ready supply of oil not too far away on the West side that won't be affected much by such a war. All other readily available supplies are right in the thick of things in the Persian Gulf. You guessed it- the oil will come from Libya.

Just to put some icing on this poisoned cake- China built a pipeline all across Asia in order to be able to buy Azerbaijan's oil. They're a good customer. I don't think the Chinese will take an invasion of Iran lightly.

Long ago, the French Emperor Napoleon called China a "sleeping giant". That giant is up & wide awake now. It won't take any threat to its prosperity lying down. In sheer numbers, they are a formidable opponent.

Something is going to happen soon- perhaps sooner than we think. The form it may take might be unpredictable.
For another look at these things, check out Jeff Rense's website- it's full of alternative news from around the world. It's sure helped me keep up with a few things.

Originally posted by CincyFreedom
reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter

 

Thanks so much for telling it like it is. Star for you!

Here's my 2 cents about Libya & its oil: The US Navy has a commanding presence in the Black Sea of late. As well as the Mediterranean. A WWIII scenario, yes. But here is something that no one has yet mentioned in this great thread (thanks, Jude11!): the richest oil field of all isn't in Kuwait. It's in Azerbaijan, a landlocked nation by the Caspian Sea. It was discovered 3,000 years ago, because there is so much oil & gas there that it seeps to the surface of the ground & ignites. It has been called "The Land of Fire" since the time of the prophet Zoroaster.

Hitler created a huge campaign in WWII called "Barbarossa" to take control over it- the Russians fought well & he lost. The oil field there is said to potentially have 14 trillion barrels alone. Azerbaijan is currently crawling with foreign oil companies today, getting ready to exploit the place, much to the detriment of the impoverished locals.

The fly in the ointment? The one practical pipeline to get the oil to the sea lies in- Iran. Of course it isn't just about the oil- it's about world conquest, too. Connect the dots with me... all of the US invasions- Iraq, Afghanistan, & not long from now, Pakistan & Syria- have Iran surrounded by occupied territory full of enemies on every side. Get the picture? An invasion of Iran can only be successful if there is a ready supply of oil not too far away on the West side that won't be affected much by such a war. All other readily available supplies are right in the thick of things in the Persian Gulf. You guessed it- the oil will come from Libya.

Just to put some icing on this poisoned cake- China built a pipeline all across Asia in order to be able to buy Azerbaijan's oil. They're a good customer. I don't think the Chinese will take an invasion of Iran lightly.

Long ago, the French Emperor Napoleon called China a "sleeping giant". That giant is up & wide awake now. It won't take any threat to its prosperity lying down. In sheer numbers, they are a formidable opponent.

Something is going to happen soon- perhaps sooner than we think. The form it may take might be unpredictable.
For another look at these things, check out Jeff Rense's website- it's full of alternative news from around the world. It's sure helped me keep up with a few things.

Thank you for posting info on something I'm going to assume that many didn't know about!

Always great to see other sources and info that doesn't necessarily go with the consistent 2 sides. There is always a third isn't there?

Star for you sir!

Thanks, Jude 11, & you're quite welcome. My Dad was a captain in the US Army, fought in Korea; he flew a 'copter, picked bodies up off of battlefields, that sort of thing. Somebody had to do it.

One thing he taught me- & he taught me quite a lot- was that there can be 9 sides to everything if the conflict is big enough & enough $$$ & greed is involved. This case that we're all discussing is no exception, I'm afraid. To be forwarned is to be forarmed.

The US doesn't get any oil from Libya. France and Germany get their oil from Libya so this theory is debunked.

Originally posted by Wrong
The US doesn't get any oil from Libya. France and Germany get their oil from Libya so this theory is debunked.

So when it's all over, the US will just walk away and leave the oil?

Just because they don't get it now doesn't mean they don't want it.

Jude, you still haven’t answered my question from page 2. When it was pointed out to you that France and the UK took the lead in calling for action against Libya you said;

All for the news my friend.

People are tired of US invasions so put others in front while being supported by the US from behind and you have a US invasion portrayed as non involvement, Nice huh?

So why would France, or the UK, go along with this just to help the US?

Also if this is about getting oil then why didn’t US companies get any of the oil contracts from Iraq?

Originally posted by Mike_A
reply to post by jude11

 

And why did France go along with this?

Maybe beacause of this

Gadhaffi funded Sarkozy's French Presidential Campaign
www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by xavi1000


According to Saif Libya was to release details of this funding if France went ahead with recognising the transitional council. If Saif’s claim was true why did he never go ahead with that threat in the four months since?

Also if Sarkozy was worried about this coming out why provoke Libya at all? They were running along fine for three years before this, surely it would have been safer to keep Gaddafi happy.

reply to post by Mike_A


Who knows the all truth ? a hand of people ? but we can tell surely one thing ...this invasion is not for humanitarian reason

reply to post by xavi1000


I’m sure that self interest is a significant driving force for this intervention but I would say it’s much simpler than these conspiracy theories suggest. I think NATO simply saw an opportunity to get rid of a troublesome neighbour and Europe wanted to stop a potential refugee crisis that threatened to spill across the med.

I don't discount humanitarian reasons outright though; NATO nations have shown that they will intervene for humanitarian reasons in the past.

reply to post by Mike_A


Hmmm... you are not very well informed














Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Mr. al-Hasidi is reportedly a member of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), also known as Al-Jama’a al-Islamiyyah al-Muqatilah bi-Libya. It is the most powerful radical faction waging Jihad in Libya and was officially designated as an affiliate of al-Qaeda and the Taliban – both CIA creations – by the UN 1267 Committee.

www.un.org...

LIFG was founded in 1995
en.wikipedia.org...


C.I.A. Agents in Libya Aid Airstrikes and Meet Rebels

www.nytimes.com...

CIA Operatives Have Been on the Ground in Libya for Weeks

nymag.com...

And one video



Virtually unknown in the West: Libya's water resources
twelfthbough.blogspot.com...

And this post is from member DerepentLEstranger


next TCOTBIP and their MSM mouthpieces will tell us that gadaffi had his soldiers?/mercenaries? take babies out of incubators and ate them. Nurse_Nayirah


i've been sharing the following links on all the Libya related threads 'cause a lot of people have been drinking the kool-aid on this one, sadly it's not getting through some heads as i see the same people posting the same old MSM pro usa crapspew. perhaps they just post and don't keep reading the threads before, going on to the next Libya thread to post the same old crap

Obama asks Saudis to airlift weapons into Benghazi www.abovetopsecret.com...


Exclusive: Benghazi Explosion – Tactical Nuke Use By Gaddafi Suspected www.abovetopsecret.com...

Tactical BS more like it, it was the BS meter that actually exploded , later shown to be the bombing of a local arms depot/cache

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler The headline ought to read Tactical Nuke Use By Gaddafi Suspected by Donald Duck. The article seems to be making a case for that any explosion anywhere that either hurts or offends the sensibilities of Americans is a tactical nuke! The article also suggests the Oklahoma Bombing was a tactical nuclear device! Seems like yet another sensationalized accusation of the kind that gave us WMD in Iraq. Just a lot of unsubstantiated gibberish designed to enflame and anger people and get people here thinking about paying for another war for oil. How many times are the American people going to get fooled by the same old song and dance, wrap it in a flag, and have God bless it, and presto whamo American bombs start snuffing out 'collateral damage' everywhere.

Benghazi's importance to Libya and possibly the World:
also explains why Qaddafi has come down really harsh on these "rebels"

While many countries in the Middle East and North Africa bicker over water rights, Libya has tapped into an aquifer of 'fossil water' to change its topography – turning sand into soil. The 26-year, $20 billion project is nearly finished. …The Great Man-Made River, which is leader Muammar Qaddafi's ambitious answer to the country’s water problems, irrigates Libya’s large desert farms. The 2,333-mile network of pipes ferry water from four major underground aquifers in southern Libya to the northern population centers. Wells punctuate the water’s path, allowing farmers to utilize the water network in their fields. ... “Water is more precious for us than oil. ... Water here in Libya, it’s life.”

after all why would Qaddafi want to damage or destroy a 26-year, $20+ billion project that he considers his life's work?

Virtually unknown in the West: Libya's water resources. The real reason for toppling Quadaffi? www.abovetopsecret.com...


Libya: British plans to strip Gaddafi of oil revenue www.abovetopsecret.com...

Libya False Flag -part 1: Reuters Hoax EXPOSED www.abovetopsecret.com...
truthfrequencynews.com...
World Cheers as the CIA Plunges Libya Into Chaos www.informationclearinghouse.info...

How was Libya doing under the rule of Gadaffi? How bad did the people have it? Were they oppressed as we now commonly accept as fact? Let us look at the facts for a moment.

Before the chaos erupted, Libya had a lower incarceration rate than the Czech republic. It ranked 61st. Libya had the lowest infant mortality rate of all of Africa. Libya had the highest life expectancy of all of Africa. Less than 5% of the population was undernourished. In response to the rising food prices around the world, the government of Libya abolished ALL taxes on food.People in Libya were rich. Libya had the highest gross domestic product (GDP) at purchasing power parity (PPP) per capita of all of Africa. The government took care to ensure that everyone in the country shared in the wealth. Libya had the highest Human Development Index of any country on the continent. The wealth was distributed equally. In Libya, a lower percentage of people lived below the poverty line than in the Netherlands.

How does Libya get so rich? The answer is oil. The country has a lot of oil, and does not allow foreign corporations to steal the resources while the population starves, unlike countries like Nigeria, a country that is basically run by Shell.

Like any country, Libya suffers from a government with corrupt bureaucrats that try to gain a bigger portion of the pie at the cost of everyone else. In response to this, Kadaffi called for the oil revenue to be distributed directly to the people, because in his opinion, the government was failing the people. However, unlike the article claims, Kadaffi is not the president of Libya. In fact he holds no official position in the government. This is the big mistake that people make. They claim that Kadaffi rules over Libya when in fact he doesn't, his position is more or less ceremonial. He should be compared to a founding father.

The true leader of Libya is an indirectly elected prime-minister. The current prime-minister is
Baghdadi Mahmudi. Calling Khadaffi the leader of Libya is comparable to calling Akihito the leader of Japan. Contrary to what your media is sketching, opinions in Libya vary. Some people support Gadaffi but want Mahmudi out. Others want both out. Many just want to live their life in peace. However, effort is taken to sketch the appearance of a popular revolt against the supposed leader of Libya, Gadaffi, when in fact he is just the architect of Libya's current political system, a mixture of pan-Arabism, socialism, and Islamic government.

Are the protesters in Libya comparable to the protesters in Egypt and Tunisia? Not at all. The governments reaction is more violent, and obviously excessive violence is being used. However let us look for a moment at the actions of the protesters. The building of the the general people's congress, the parliament of Libya, was put on fire by angry protestors. This is comparable to protesters putting the United States Capitol on fire. Do you think that for even a moment the US government would sit idly by as protesters put the US capitol on fire?


Great Britain funded an Al Qaeda cell in Libya, in an attempt to assassinate Gadaffi. The main opposition group in Libya now is the National Front for the Salvation of Libya. This opposition group is being funded by Saudi Arabia, the CIA, and French Intelligence. This group unified itself with other opposition groups, to become the National Conference for the Libyan Opposition. It was this organization that called for the "Day of Rage" that plunged Libya into chaos on February 17 of this year.

It did this in Benghazi, a conservative city that has always been opposed to Gadaffi's rule. It should be noted that the National Front for the Salvation of Libya is well armed. In 1996 the group tried to unleash a revolution in the eastern part of Libya before. It used the Libyan National Army, the armed division of the NFSL to begin this failed uprising.

Why is the United States so opposed to Gadaffi? He is the main threat to US hegemony in Africa, because he attempts to unite the continent against the United States. This concept is called the United States of Africa. In fact, Gadaffi holds all sorts of ideas that are contrary to US interests. The man blames the United States government for the creation of HIV. He claims that Israel is behind the assasination of Martin Luther King and president John. F. Kennedy. He says that the 9/11 hijackers were trained in the US. He also urged Libyans to donate blood to Americans after 9/11. Khadaffi is also the last of a generation of moderate socialist pan-Arab revolutionaries that is still in power, after Nasser and Hussein have been eliminated, and Syria has aligned itself with Iran.The United States and Israel however have no interest in a strong Arab world. In fact it seems that elementary to the plan is bringing Libya to its knees through chaos and anarchy. In late 2010, the United Kingdom was still propping up the Libyan government through lucrative arms sales. Nothing is a better guarantee to destroy Libya than a bloody civil war. The tribal system that is still strong in Libya is useful to exploit to generate such a war since Libya has historically been divided into various tribal groups.

This is also why the Libyan government responds by importing mercenaries. Tribal allegiances go before allegiance to the government, especially in Benghazi, and thus the central government has no control over the eastern part of the country anymore. The alternative to mercenaries is a conflict between the various ethnic groups. Gadaffi has tried for 41 years to make the country more homogeneous, but opposition groups funded by outside forced will take little more than a few days to put the country back into the 19th century, before the region was conquered and unified by Europeans. The violence is indeed excessive, but everyone seems to forget that the situation is not the same as in Tunis and Egypt. Tribal ties play a far greater role, and thus the conflict will unfortunately be bloodier.

2 excellent threads that cut trough the BS by ATS member Boondock-Saint:

Obama provides air cover for terrorists who killed Americans in Iraq, www.abovetopsecret.com...
Gadhaffi funded Sarkozy's French Presidential Campaign?? www.abovetopsecret.com...

Kissinger plan to transform North Africa and Middle East into Turkmenistan forum.prisonplanet.com...
depopulation_linked_merck_pharma_announces_africa_plan www.infowars.com...

www.schillerinstitute.org...

wlym.com...


PROPAGANDA is a weapon of war and not just political control, people, and many seem to be the losers on these Libya threads.

not to mention the bots,dupes and disinfo-spreaders both conscious and unconscious, and those who want to show everybody that they "know" when all their doing is repeating something they were told.

the last thing the West wants is a United Africa, no more cheap or nearly free resources and no more toxic waste dump[Somalia] and no more bio-warfare testing on the continent of the greatest human genetic variability if that should happen. TCOTBIP having planning to commit genocide in Africa for a very long time
the last link is from 1974.


www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Mike_A
Jude, you still haven’t answered my question from page 2. When it was pointed out to you that France and the UK took the lead in calling for action against Libya you said;

All for the news my friend.

People are tired of US invasions so put others in front while being supported by the US from behind and you have a US invasion portrayed as non involvement, Nice huh?

So why would France, or the UK, go along with this just to help the US?

Also if this is about getting oil then why didn’t US companies get any of the oil contracts from Iraq?

That is a very good question and one that can be answered very quickly with even more.

If America had nothing to do with going into Libya, why are they calling the shots? Why is Obama ignoring congress to extend? Why is the CIA being outed on the ground? Why is Obama the one that gets to call it a Humanitarian issue? Why is he the figurehead on the MSM when it comes to Libya?

Of course they look like they are in the background and that suits them very well. All a ruse.

As for Iraq, with BP getting contracts and being held by approx. 39% US share holders (At that time, I don't know about now) it's easy to see where the product will flow.